Since They will No Longer Make CD's
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Since they announced they will no longer mass produce CD's, does anyone else feel compelled to run out and buy them ? Okay, now I understand they will put them out for larger acts (Beatles, Stones, et al) and it will probably end up being something like tweek vinyl is now. But for me personally, I have had the urge to go out and just start buying them. I have converted many over to digital files but am very leary of things crashing. I guess I just like have a hard copy of something to hold. What say you ? :loneranger:
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Say it ain't so. Who announced that. Gonna have to start giving Jeff Bezos twice as much now. Me no likey that idea.
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I find it hard to believe CD's will die as soon as this article suggests:
http://www.side-line.com/news_comments.php?id=46980_0_2_0_C
A different view from England, regarding digital music:
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/features/why_vinyl_is_still_playing_on_in_a_disposable_digital_age_1_3981201HT
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I pretty much dont use Cd's anymore. No biggie.
I have close to 2 terrabytes of music.
If anyone wants to send me a hard drive I will fill it with music and send it back.I got static in my head
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I guess I can live with that, "they" have enough of my money. I have enough music on three formats that it takes a while to figure out what to listen to anyways. I guess the used CD stores will be benifiting from that one. I'am just wondering what to do with the cash I will be saving with out getting my weekly music purchase fix?Home Theater
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If the cd goes away, as some claim it will, think that would lower or lift the price of online music ? It's a double edged sword folks and I have a feeling sombody is privey to certain info regarding internet sales to make that statement. Competition is always a good thing for the consumer.HT SYSTEM-
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Since they announced they will no longer mass produce CD's,
Complete hogwash.Political Correctness'.........defined
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Why the love for CD's??
They just take up space. I think lossless digital files sound as good. The only reason I have cd's are for my car but I rarely listen to them there either. If I want a cd I just burn one.I got static in my head
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Complete hogwash.
I'm thinking the same thing Jess. Maybe someone just threw that out to get people buying up cd's at this time of year. There always seems to be another motive for such statements.HT SYSTEM-
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I find it interesting that there is no "confirmed" source for saying the CD will be "dead" by the end of next year, except their chief editor Bernard Van Isacker. Since there is absolutely no mention of a varifiable source that CD's will be discontinued (being as the article states that record companies such as Sony, Universal, and EMI "refused to comment") that I will take the article as it is, unverified. Therefore, I will take it with a grain of salt.
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At the same time, you have CDs being promoted such as :
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-57327530-47/cd-box-sets-its-that-time-of-year-again/?part=rss&subj=latest-news&tag=title>
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Why the love for CD's??
Drop by some day and you'll hear why.They just take up space.
So do speakers. Did you get rid of yours for some earbuds?I think lossless digital files sound as good.
I know it's subjective, but I don't.Political Correctness'.........defined
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They do sound just as good, because they lossless. There is absolutely no difference between the output from a CD versus a lossless file.Why the love for CD's??
They just take up space. I think lossless digital files sound as good.
If you hear a "difference" you are either using an incorrectly coded lossless decoder (highely unlikely), or the placebo effect. This is 100% mathematically provable, and is fact; it is not subjective in any way. -
Here we go with the numbers thing again..............
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"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
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Yeah, god forbid we actually accepted facts around here...Here we go with the numbers thing again..............
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The question is, how did you personally obtain these "facts"?
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
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I actually just did a conversion of an audio file from WAV to FLAC and back to WAV. The two WAV files were binarily identical - zero difference. Not that this surprises me.The question is, how did you personally obtain these "facts"?
That is the whole point of lossless - to compress a file with no loss. It is the same as zipping and unzipping a file on your computer - the data that is losslessly compressed is exactly the same once it is uncompressed.
Simply put, if you think that two binarily identical files are different in any way (or that a lossless file is different than the original), you completely fail to understand how digital data works. -
A dose of reality, the RIAA figures for 2010
CD - $3.4 billion
Downloads (singles and albums) - $2.2 billion
Vinyl - $87 million
Who really thinks the record industry is going to give up $3.4 billion? Not me.Political Correctness'.........defined
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As long as it's a low jitter source, such as asynchronous or I?S, there won't be a difference, or the PC may even sound better. Via toslink or coax, it's depends on a DAC's jitter rejection.They do sound just as good, because they lossless. There is absolutely no difference between the output from a CD versus a lossless file.
If you hear a "difference" you are either using an incorrectly coded lossless decoder (highely unlikely), or the placebo effect. This is 100% mathematically provable, and is fact; it is not subjective in any way."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche -
It's supposed to be I(squared)S, not a ?. For some reason this forum does not like the squared symbol."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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I won't disagree with this. The source, DAC, etc can make a difference. So if you're listening to the CD on a separate CD player and comparing it to the lossless file on a PC, you really aren't comparing apples to apples. You would need to compare both from the same source. As such I will amend my prior statement:As long as it's a low jitter source, such as asynchronous or I?S, there won't be a difference, or the PC may even sound better. Via toslink or coax, it's depends on a DAC's jitter rejection.
"If you hear a "difference" you are either using an incorrectly coded lossless decoder (highely unlikely), or the placebo effect."
Or, you are not comparing with the same source. And, even then, if you are comparing two quality digital sources hooked up to the same DAC, there shouldn't be any difference either. -
A dose of reality, the RIAA figures for 2010
CD - $3.4 billion
Downloads (singles and albums) - $2.2 billion
Vinyl - $87 million
Who really thinks the record industry is going to give up $3.4 billion? Not me.
I'm not disagreeing with you - in fact I agree. However, those are revenue figures, not bottom line operating income. Although there are costs associated with maintaining servers, etc., those costs are significantly lower than the costs to manufacture and distribute CDs. So, I would be surprised if the lower Downloads revenue didn't in fact produce higher OI.
Having said that, we are not at the end for CDs - yet. But there will be a point, in the not too distant future, when CDs do go the way of vinyl, with boutique releases and a vibrant used market, but no longer mainstream production. How long do we have? I would guess anywhere from 3 to 10 years, but certainly no more than that. -
Why the love for CD's??
They just take up space. I think lossless digital files sound as good. The only reason I have cd's are for my car but I rarely listen to them there either. If I want a cd I just burn one.
I like everything on a hard drive as well. But where do you get your lossless files from? I get mine from my CD's, 99% of my collection isn't available as a lossless download, and probably never will be. At least not legally, and even then, it's probably less than 10% available, -
Gee- buy the cd and own it. Or resell it. Or pay a buck less, and download it with
DRM crap all over it. Guess what, they want you to go with the DRM stuff.
You won't be able to move it or copy it for your own use. They're going to go that way,
just like movies. Why do you ask? Because they can see a member in this thread offering
to clone a whole disk of music. And it drives them crazy. They're willing to throw all us old
geezers under the bus to stop the few that share. BTW, I digitized my CDs via FLAC.
I also kept them somewhere in case the music **** show up. Legal and lawyer free."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
...but am very leary of things crashing. I guess I just like have a hard copy of something to hold. What say you ? :loneranger:
In my opinion, the hard disc drive is just as much of a physical copy as a CD is. If a CD cracks, you're screwed. If a HDD crashes, you're screwed. Either way, you should have everything backed up. HDD space is so cheap now, there is no excuse for not having everything backed up at least once, if not twice over.
I don't keep my main drives and my backup drives in the same space. That way, they can't both be stolen or both be burnt up or whatever at the same time. For now, I keep them in different rooms. I am soon going to add a second set of backup drives that will be kept in a different house altogether... maybe even a different state!2-Channel: PC > Schiit Eitr > Audio Research DAC-8 > Audio Research LS-26 > Pass Labs X-250.5 > Magnepan 3.7's
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I agree with falconcry72. It sounds cliche, but back up, back up, back up. I went through two hard drive crashes before I learned my lesson. The first one took a some irreplaceable digital photos, but I didn't learn. The second one took some family videos; they were replaceable, but it was difficult. I had to purchase a betamax VCR on eBay since they were recorded on a betamovie camcorder. At any rate, I finally learned my lesson.
I have three copies (or more) of nearly everything. The originals are on my primary PC (laptop), and are backed up regularly to my file/media server. They are then backed up again to an external RAID array every so often. Some of the *really* important things (documents, photos, family videos) are also backed up to flash drives.
My non-family videos only have two copies due to the sheer size of them. One copy is on my media server, and they are backed up to the external RAID array. Should be pretty safe, but at least these are replaceable, so I can accept the risk of only one backup.
Also, the RAID array and a flash drive with uber-important is stored in a waterproof fire safe. This will protect them from power surges, which can damage an external drive if it is left plugged in, even if it is off. It also should protect it from natural disasters such as floods and fire. It probably wouldn't protect them from Mecha-Streisand, however, I suppose that is a risk I will have to take.
I also keep a flash drive of the uber-important stuff on my key ring at all times. This just adds yet another level of protection. Heck, I may even throw a third flash drive in my car's glove box. -
I'm getting ready to buy a bunch of CD's and add them to the collection of 8 tracks I purchased just before they died.
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Chris
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