No more CD's????

Timothy Smith
Timothy Smith Posts: 764
edited November 2011 in The Clubhouse
I heard a news item on the radio today on the way to work saying that the "Record" companies will discontinue mass-market production of CD's by the end of 2012?

Could this possibly be true?
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  • ryanjoachim
    ryanjoachim Posts: 2,046
    edited November 2011
    No. That's entirely false.

    There is still a huge market for physical media, even though digital media is in the lead.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited November 2011
    I remember when they made the same announcement about LP's.
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  • thesurfer
    thesurfer Posts: 574
    edited November 2011
    Dont see it in our lifetime, well maybe if your only 5 now,
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  • Timothy Smith
    Timothy Smith Posts: 764
    edited November 2011
    I fear new things.

    Good thing I kept all of my 8-tracks.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,773
    edited November 2011
    No. That's entirely false.

    There is still a huge market for physical media, even though digital media is in the lead.

    CD's are digital media, and still far in the lead, but losing ground the last few years.

    http://underdesign.wordpress.com/2011/09/02/music-sales-by-media-type-from-1980-2010-in-pie-chart-form/
  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited November 2011
    Maybe by the time you 25 and under boys and girls are my age; after all, the young ones 'love' their ipods so very 'much'!! lol

    What's a CD? I doubt some of the youngsters even own any CDs. The only CDs my 14 year old owns are items I've bought for her (at 'my' suggestion) or loaned her from my collection!

    That should make Apple 'happy'!

    While I'm at it: How many of you who are under 40 have a 1000+ dollar DAC and some kind of squeezebox or PC system that you've loaded all your CDs onto? Quite a few, I bet!! (Oh, I do realize that there are a couple of you my age who are trying to act 'hip' and also have this--my advice, stick the the fast cars and other mid-life crisis affectations).

    Those of us a little older need our exercise if we're going to be around a little longer, lol!

    I'm also considering a spiritual handbook for the younger crowd that reprises some of the Japanese Tea Ceremony for CD playing and listening. I'll call it Zen and the Art of CD use!

    It will contain directions for the very excruciating ritual of finding an actual CD in a case, turning on your system, learning how to open a CD tray, load it, close it, and select 'play'! The procedure will be so SLOW and methodical that it will induce soporific relaxation and lower Blood Pressure!

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  • rromeo923
    rromeo923 Posts: 1,513
    edited November 2011
    I pretty much got rid of all my cd's.

    I do burn cd's to listen to in my car but generally give them away after listening.
    I got static in my head
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  • BeefJerky
    BeefJerky Posts: 1,320
    edited November 2011
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    CD's are digital media, and still far in the lead, but losing ground the last few years.

    http://underdesign.wordpress.com/2011/09/02/music-sales-by-media-type-from-1980-2010-in-pie-chart-form/
    I find it interesting that vinyl really has increased in sales over the last few years. Mind you, it is still only at 1.3% of sales, but that is up from many years in a row at 0.2% (and an all time low of 0.1%). This is good, as I am still a fan of vinyl.
  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,773
    edited November 2011
    BeefJerky wrote: »
    I find it interesting that vinyl really has increased in sales over the last few years. Mind you, it is still only at 1.3% of sales, but that is up from many years in a row at 0.2% (and an all time low of 0.1%). This is good, as I am still a fan of vinyl.

    Also interesting that SACD only reached .2% for one year, and has been at 0% for 5 years. Yet there are those that think it's alive and well.
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited November 2011
    I won't mourn the loss of physical digital media, but at the moment there is very little available for download that isn't lossy. The stuff that is either FLAC or HD for download is overpriced. So until they make lossless files widely available at a price that reflects their true "cost" I will continue to buy used physical cd's or sale priced new cd's.

    Eliminating the physical CD is a bad thing unless they make the digital files available as lossless. But they aren't doing that, they are makeing lossy files available in place of the physical cd.

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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited November 2011
    rromeo923 wrote: »
    I pretty much got rid of all my cd's.

    I do burn cd's to listen to in my car but generally give them away after listening.

    ditto.:wink:
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  • Drenis
    Drenis Posts: 2,871
    edited November 2011
    cnh wrote: »
    Maybe by the time you 25 and under boys and girls are my age; after all, the young ones 'love' their ipods so very 'much'!! lol

    What's a CD? I doubt some of the youngsters even own any CDs. The only CDs my 14 year old owns are items I've bought for her (at 'my' suggestion) or loaned her from my collection!

    That should make Apple 'happy'!

    While I'm at it: How many of you who are under 40 have a 1000+ dollar DAC and some kind of squeezebox or PC system that you've loaded all your CDs onto? Quite a few, I bet!! (Oh, I do realize that there are a couple of you my age who are trying to act 'hip' and also have this--my advice, stick the the fast cars and other mid-life crisis affectations).

    Those of us a little older need our exercise if we're going to be around a little longer, lol!

    I'm also considering a spiritual handbook for the younger crowd that reprises some of the Japanese Tea Ceremony for CD playing and listening. I'll call it Zen and the Art of CD use!

    It will contain directions for the very excruciating ritual of finding an actual CD in a case, turning on your system, learning how to open a CD tray, load it, close it, and select 'play'! The procedure will be so SLOW and methodical that it will induce soporific relaxation and lower Blood Pressure!

    cnh

    What's an iPod? if you ask me or EnderShadow, we'll laugh at your iPod while playing our superior Zune HD's /end fanboy speech

    I actually have well over 100 CD's myself packed away in a box. I still continue to buy CD's for the favorite artists I support and anything else that interests me EVEN THOUGH I don't own a CDP. They've all been ripped but are slated to be re-ripped. I will say that I have a much better rig then probably 95% of anyone I know my age locally. I however, do not have a $1,000 DAC or a Squeezebox. And I'm only 26. :p
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited November 2011
    rromeo923 wrote: »
    I pretty much got rid of all my cd's.
    ditto.:wink:

    So where do you get new music? Please don't say iTunes........:eek::rolleyes:

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  • falconcry72
    falconcry72 Posts: 3,580
    edited November 2011
    heiney9 wrote: »
    The stuff that is either FLAC or HD for download is overpriced.
    H9

    ...or free.:wink:
    Eliminating the physical CD is a bad thing unless they make the digital files available as lossless. But they aren't doing that, they are makeing lossy files available in place of the physical cd.

    Agreed.

    Some bands have taken it into their own hands to release FLAC downloads for sale, but it's definitely not the norm yet.
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  • thesurfer
    thesurfer Posts: 574
    edited November 2011
    rromeo923 wrote: »
    I pretty much got rid of all my cd's.

    I do burn cd's to listen to in my car but generally give them away after listening.
    If your just giving them away, send some my way,,
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,773
    edited November 2011
    ...or free.:wink:

    Interesting point. That chart only represents SALES, not pirating. Personally, I want all of my music on physical media, and always will, even though it's all ripped to hard drives. It's a secondary backup, and insures that I will always have a lossless version available.
  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited November 2011
    I just went wild at Time Traveler, Akron's best throwback music store. A guy my age (early 50's) is moving to Florida and decided to sell his entire PRISTINE collection of about 2,500 CD's.

    This guy must be my long lost cousin because his taste is so close to mine it's scary. I'll probably end up buying between 5 and 10% of his stuff.

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  • chumlie
    chumlie Posts: 8,658
    edited November 2011
    If i pay for it i want to be able touch it. Besides i like the art, and lets not forget SOUND.
  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited November 2011
    I haven't yet started downloading high-res files, but that will happen at some point in the future once I buy a music server capable of playing the higher resolution files. At this point I buy CDs, and if they are worth listening to more than once then I copy the CD onto the iPod. Otherwise, it languishes on the shelf. I will rotate the CD through my car, so they do come in handy for that purpose. Plus, they are good for backups. While I will read any booklets that come with the CD that is a one time occurrence.

    While CDs will eventually go away as a distribution method for digital files, that will not happen for a few years.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited November 2011
    8-track tapes will make a come-back!
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited November 2011
    dkg999 wrote: »
    8-track tapes will make a come-back!

    It's fun to mess around with old-school formats. Not 8-track, but I've purchased 2 similar model Akai Reel to Reels in the past 3 months to putter around with and I'm having a blast.

    The funny thing about the R2R sound is it's the way I remember music of the 60's and 70's sounding back in the 60's and the 70's on the equipment I owned at the time.
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited November 2011
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    Also interesting that SACD only reached .2% for one year, and has been at 0% for 5 years. Yet there are those that think it's alive and well.

    Whatever data you're quoting (RIAA?) probably only counted US sales. I'd bet there were less than 100 new SACD titles announced in the US in 2010, whereas there's a likelihood that we will end up with over 600 new SACD titles released worldwide (based on data at sa-cd.net). RIAA will not be counting the sales of those Japan Warner Bros. Music SACDs (The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, The Doors, Chicago, Foreigner, etc.) or those Japan Universal Music SHM-SACDs (The Who, Dire Straits, Rod Stewart, etc.). Plus RIAA count hybrid SACDs as "regular CDs", therefore distorting those figures further.
  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited November 2011
    dkg999 wrote: »
    8-track tapes will make a come-back!

    It definitely returned when Cheap Trick released its last studio album on 8 track just a couple of years back.
  • CoolJazz
    CoolJazz Posts: 570
    edited November 2011
    rromeo923 wrote: »
    I pretty much got rid of all my cd's.

    I do burn cd's to listen to in my car but generally give them away after listening.

    Must not be very good music!! :eek:
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,773
    edited November 2011
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    Whatever data you're quoting (RIAA?) probably only counted US sales. I'd bet there were less than 100 new SACD titles announced in the US in 2010, whereas there's a likelihood that we will end up with over 600 new SACD titles released worldwide (based on data at sa-cd.net). RIAA will not be counting the sales of those Japan Warner Bros. Music SACDs (The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, The Doors, Chicago, Foreigner, etc.) or those Japan Universal Music SHM-SACDs (The Who, Dire Straits, Rod Stewart, etc.). Plus RIAA count hybrid SACDs as "regular CDs", therefore distorting those figures further.

    Like I said, there are those that will argue SACD is alive and well. He doesn't state his source.
  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,773
    edited November 2011
  • rromeo923
    rromeo923 Posts: 1,513
    edited November 2011
    CoolJazz wrote: »
    Must not be very good music!! :eek:

    I have 2 Terrabytes of music Flac, mp3

    All good!
    I got static in my head
    The reflected sound of everything
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,508
    edited November 2011
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    I'd bet there were less than 100 new SACD titles announced in the US in 2010, whereas there's a likelihood that we will end up with over 600 new SACD titles released worldwide (based on data at sa-cd.net).

    Point
    RIAA will not be counting the sales of those Japan Warner Bros. Music SACDs (The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, The Doors, Chicago, Foreigner, etc.) or those Japan Universal Music SHM-SACDs (The Who, Dire Straits, Rod Stewart, etc.).

    Set
    Plus RIAA count hybrid SACDs as "regular CDs", therefore distorting those figures further.

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  • newrival
    newrival Posts: 2,017
    edited November 2011
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    Such a child.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited November 2011
    rromeo923 wrote: »
    I have 2 Terrabytes of music Flac, mp3

    All good!

    Do you guys with huge digitally based collections back it up or just not worry about it?
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