hello all! this noob just purchased 2 rti a9's
jmd1982
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let me first start off by saying hello! iam john from new york (long island)
i have been eying and reading reviews about the rti a9's for about 6 months now and finally pulled the trigger on them last night, so they should be here in a week or so. I plan on having a 5.1 setup eventually (slowly tho) :[
I do have alot of questions being that iam new to this home audio thing but i will keep this post to just 1 question for now while i do some searching and reading on the forums. My setup will be mainly used for music although movie watching will also be another use.
Iam planning on buying the CSi A6 next as my center channel but first i would like to invest in a receiver which i will not regret buying 3 months from now when i want to add more to my system. I eventually plan on buying http://emotiva.com/xpa2.shtm to really power my (soon to be) 5.1 setup to their full potential (unless you guys suggest something else better suited for powering these speakers to their full potential.)
Okay as for my question now, which receiver should i go with that will best suit me for my setup/needs. I dont want to say money isnt an issue, but id rather buy it right the first time.
thanks for your help
-john
i have been eying and reading reviews about the rti a9's for about 6 months now and finally pulled the trigger on them last night, so they should be here in a week or so. I plan on having a 5.1 setup eventually (slowly tho) :[
I do have alot of questions being that iam new to this home audio thing but i will keep this post to just 1 question for now while i do some searching and reading on the forums. My setup will be mainly used for music although movie watching will also be another use.
Iam planning on buying the CSi A6 next as my center channel but first i would like to invest in a receiver which i will not regret buying 3 months from now when i want to add more to my system. I eventually plan on buying http://emotiva.com/xpa2.shtm to really power my (soon to be) 5.1 setup to their full potential (unless you guys suggest something else better suited for powering these speakers to their full potential.)
Okay as for my question now, which receiver should i go with that will best suit me for my setup/needs. I dont want to say money isnt an issue, but id rather buy it right the first time.
thanks for your help
-john
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Nice speakers,enjoy! I have this amp , the EMOTIVA XPA5,very nice amp loads of power, I am using a SONY ES5300 as a pre/pro, flexible, very well built, I am happy with the results.Emotiva XPA5, Sony ES 5300,: Lsi 15,s LSIC, Monitor 70,s, ( side surrounds) FXI 3,s, (rear surrounds)Micropro4000, Velodyne DEQ 10, Sony 55inchXBR 930D Sony BDP 790 Bedroom rig SonyES 3200 RTIA1,s CSIA4 FXI3,s polk PSW 10 SONY 34inch XBR960:cool:SONY BDP550
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i was looking at the xpa5 but it seems i would be able to get more power to the different speakers if i end up going with 2 xpa2's.. (if iam understanding this correctly)
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it all depends on what speakers you want to power with an amp. I went with the XPA5 leaving my rear surrounds powered by my SONY ES5300.Emotiva XPA5, Sony ES 5300,: Lsi 15,s LSIC, Monitor 70,s, ( side surrounds) FXI 3,s, (rear surrounds)Micropro4000, Velodyne DEQ 10, Sony 55inchXBR 930D Sony BDP 790 Bedroom rig SonyES 3200 RTIA1,s CSIA4 FXI3,s polk PSW 10 SONY 34inch XBR960:cool:SONY BDP550
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oh okay i understand, is it possible to have the amp + receiver power specific speakers?
What i mean is. the rti a9's can handle up to 500w. The xpa-2 gives 300w per channel. Is it possible to send the 300w from the xpa-2 + another 120w (or whatever) from the receiver to give a total of 420w ?
or can i go with the xpa-5 and use 2 of the channels to send 400w to 1 speaker -
oh okay i understand, is it possible to have the amp + receiver power specific speakers?
What i mean is. the rti a9's can handle up to 500w. The xpa-2 gives 300w per channel. Is it possible to send the 300w from the xpa-2 + another 120w (or whatever) from the receiver to give a total of 420w ?
or can i go with the xpa-5 and use 2 of the channels to send 400w to 1 speaker
don't believe it works that way. you either get the amp power or the receiver power -
oh okay i understand, is it possible to have the amp + receiver power specific speakers?
What i mean is. the rti a9's can handle up to 500w. The xpa-2 gives 300w per channel. Is it possible to send the 300w from the xpa-2 + another 120w (or whatever) from the receiver to give a total of 420w ?
or can i go with the xpa-5 and use 2 of the channels to send 400w to 1 speaker
John,
Welcome to Club Polk!
You picked some nice speakers for a first step.
You can not combine the power outputs from a receiver and an external amp. What ever amp is connected to the speakers - that is what you get for power output.
What is your budget do you have for an AVR?
In general....the RTiA series are known for their clarity and 'sparkle' in the high end (others call it 'brightness'....so be it...I like to call it 'sparkle'
), so - in general - you probably should consider an AVR that is known for being 'warm'. Some brands having such a reputation would be Harmon Kardon, or maybe Pioneer Elite series.
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okay so buying the xpa-5 and having 2 channels power 1 of my rti a9's is the way to go?
erik;
i was looking at the pioneer elite series, which would you suggest being best for my needs?
as for the price i guess 0 - 1500 although if i dont have to spend 1500 on a great receiver that would be even better -
okay so buying the xpa-5 and having 2 channels power 1 of my rti a9's is the way to go?
erik;
i was looking at the pioneer elite series, which would you suggest being best for my needs?
as for the price i guess 0 - 1500 although if i dont have to spend 1500 on a great receiver that would be even better
The xpa-5 is a 5-channel amp. And if that is on your radar screen, then maybe instead of an AVR (that has amplification as well that would be 'wasted' if you went with the xpa-5) - why not consider a pre/pro unit (basically an AVR with no amplification) and the xpa-5 together as your purchase for $1500? You could probably find a nice used deal on audiogon.com for a pre/pro and a 5-channel amp.
If that seems a bit esoteric to you, then, imo, get a AVR and a 2-channel amp. The center and rear speakers in a 5.1 setup can easily be driven by a good AVR, and the front L/R RTiA9s could benefit from a good external 2-channel amp.
H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music. -
okay so buying the xpa-5 and having 2 channels power 1 of my rti a9's is the way to go?
erik;
i was looking at the pioneer elite series, which would you suggest being best for my needs?
as for the price i guess 0 - 1500 although if i dont have to spend 1500 on a great receiver that would be even better
No, that is not what they were saying.
Example: 5 channel receiver, 50 watts per channel. Hook 5 speakers to it, all speakers get 50 watts per channel. (Just using the 50 for the example. The watts would be reduced as the load on the receiver increased with number of speakers driven, don?t worry about that yet!)
I buy a 2 channel amp: 200 watts per channel. I hook the two front speakers to the amp and the other 3 speakers to my receiver. Front two speakers get 200 watts each, 3 other speakers get 50 watts each from the receiver.
I said not to worry about the reduced watts in the receiver example. Now we will talk about that.
Most manufactures state x number of watts per channel. It is not always true when driving 5 or 7 channels. It may be 50 for 2 channels but more like 38 when driving 5 channels. (Example)
So if you added a 2 channel amp and used your receiver to power the rest of the speakers, you are reducing the load on the receiver so it can do a "better" job with powering 3 speakers instead of 5.
Hope that helps a bit! Some manufactures are really good at stating the watts per channel and some are way off! Search the reviews to get those stats. -
as you can see you have lots of choices, A good strong avr can handle your surround speakers. its the left, right, and center that benefit from an amp the most. In my case my SONY ES 5300) handles the rear surrounds ( FXI3,s) with easeEmotiva XPA5, Sony ES 5300,: Lsi 15,s LSIC, Monitor 70,s, ( side surrounds) FXI 3,s, (rear surrounds)Micropro4000, Velodyne DEQ 10, Sony 55inchXBR 930D Sony BDP 790 Bedroom rig SonyES 3200 RTIA1,s CSIA4 FXI3,s polk PSW 10 SONY 34inch XBR960:cool:SONY BDP550
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Amazing how the new guys seem to gravitate to emo amps. Must be the price or maybe the pretty blue lights.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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XPA-5 Five Channel Audio Power Amplifier
200 watts RMS x 5 into 8 ohms (200w x 5 channels = 1000w)
so this means 5 channels each with 200w output correct?
Could i have both rti a9's receiving about 400w each (4 channels powering the towers)
and then have another 200w (1 channel) to my center channel from this amp?
(400w + 400w + 200) = 1000w
then have a receiver take care of the surrounds.
is this right? or am i messing it up again -
f1, iam only mentioning the emo amp because thats what i seen suggested here in other threads ( i did a little reading before my first post in hopes not to sound totally retarded)
if you dont feel they are the best option iam more than willing to consider something else -
XPA-5 Five Channel Audio Power Amplifier
200 watts RMS x 5 into 8 ohms (200w x 5 channels = 1000w)
so this means 5 channels each with 200w output correct?
Could i have both rti a9's receiving about 400w each (4 channels powering the towers)
and then have another 200w (1 channel) to my center channel from this amp?
(400w + 400w + 200) = 1000w
then have a receiver take care of the surrounds.
is this right? or am i messing it up again
What you are describing is called 'bi-wiring' (sometimes mistaken for 'bi-amping') which would require 2 sets of speaker cables per speaker from the amp: one set would power the 'bass' drivers of the RTiA9s and the 2nd set would power the 'treble' drivers of the RTiA9s.
So, the RTiA9s would not really be getting a combined 200+200 watts for 400 watts, but rather the bass drivers would get 200 and the treble drivers would get 200.
I have not personally done any tests to see if this makes a difference or not, but here on CP, the consensus seems to be that bi-wiring is not worth it, so buying an xpa-5 would be a waste for a bi-wired set up.
If it were my money, I'd get a good AVR first (make sure it has pre-outs for all speaker channels so that you can add an external amp - but if you are considering the Pio Elite series then these do have pre-outs), then get a good external 2-channel amp - or both at the same time if I had the money for both an AVR and a 2-channel amp.
You have to factor in related costs for good quality interconnect cables from the AVR to the external amp, and then good speaker cabling as well. So that could chew up some dollars in your budget that folks often overlook.
H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music. -
okay got it, thank you
for now iam going to look into purchasing a nice avr.
what are the opinions on pioneer elite vs onkyo for the rti a9's -
okay got it, thank you
for now iam going to look into purchasing a nice avr.
what are the opinions on pioneer elite vs onkyo for the rti a9's
You will find opinions for either one. :biggrin:
I'd go for the best deal on a pio elite between the two.
H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music. -
how do you feel about the sc 35?
it doesnt seem like the sc 37 is worth the extra couple hundred from what i have been reading -
how do you feel about the sc 35?
it doesnt seem like the sc 37 is worth the extra couple hundred from what i have been reading
Never heard it.
You should search the forum for comments from actual owners.
H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music. -
how do you guys feel about the
Onkyo TX-NR808 vs the pioneer sc -35
i can get a factory refurb onkyo for around 600 -
Is there any major reason i wouldnt want the onkyo 808 vs the sc 35?
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I am biased, ck out SONY ES I have two, a 5300 & 3200, both are outstanding, like polk the build quality is spectacular, also SONY ES comes with a 5 yr warranty............................................................Emotiva XPA5, Sony ES 5300,: Lsi 15,s LSIC, Monitor 70,s, ( side surrounds) FXI 3,s, (rear surrounds)Micropro4000, Velodyne DEQ 10, Sony 55inchXBR 930D Sony BDP 790 Bedroom rig SonyES 3200 RTIA1,s CSIA4 FXI3,s polk PSW 10 SONY 34inch XBR960:cool:SONY BDP550
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I am biased, ck out SONY ES I have two, a 5300 & 3200, both are outstanding, like polk the build quality is spectacular, also SONY ES comes with a 5 yr warranty............................................................
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Amazing how the new guys seem to gravitate to emo amps. Must be the price or maybe the pretty blue lights.
Good price, nice amps, work good with RTi series speakers. Great starting point for someone that is looking for a little extra power. Some people prefer to buy new over used.
I know there is a whole other "used" world of older amps, but some never want to go that way.
I think I paid extra for the blue lights on mine, was I not supose to! Damn new guy mistake I guess, eh! -
does the http://hometheatergears.com/onkyo/onkyo-tx-nr808-review/
have the necessary pre-outs that i need? i really like the price compared to the elite sc-35 unless the sc-35 out performs this a great deal -
whered all you helpful guys go? :[
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I have an older Pioneer elite series avr and I love it. I would suggest you get your ears on both those avrs before making a decision."They're always talking about my drinking, but never mention my thirst" Oscar Wilde
Pre-Amp: Anthem AVM 20
Amp: Carver TFM-35
Amp: Rotel RB-870BX
Fronts : SDA 1B w/ RDO-194s
T.V.:Plasma TC-P54G25
Bluray: Oppo BDP-93
Speaker Cables: MIT Terminater
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John, welcome to Club Polk. The first point is that you appear to have a misunderstanding about how amplification works. You can't "give" a speaker more power just by connecting a more powerful amplifier. The speaker uses only as much power as it needs for the sound level at a particular instant in time. For a comfortably loud average level around 80-85dB at the listening position, speakers of average sensitivity, such as your RTi A9s, use about 1 watt. At that moment it doesn't matter if the amplifier can supply a maximum of 10 watts, 100 watts or 1000 watts, only 1 watt is used. Of course there are brief peaks which require much more power for maybe a fraction of a second, but even this can typically be taken care of by receivers rated anywhere in the 100-150 watt area.
You're possibly referring to the excellent buy on the Onkyo 808 factory refurb from Accessories4less. This is strongly recommended, as it has all the maximum power capacity that you'll need for safe(to your hearing)listening levels. It also has the Audyssey MultEQ automatic calibration and room equalization system, which is a significant advantage over otherwise similar receivers. Factory refurbished units, which I use with great satisfaction, have been individually inspected, and should be at least as reliable as those which are brand new. -
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Amazing how the new guys seem to gravitate to emo amps. Must be the price or maybe the pretty blue lights.
They must do a great job of marketing. I know - I went there first (ok... twice:redface:), but didn't stay too terribly long.
Blue lights are special.
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John, welcome to Club Polk. The first point is that you appear to have a misunderstanding about how amplification works. You can't "give" a speaker more power just by connecting a more powerful amplifier. The speaker uses only as much power as it needs for the sound level at a particular instant in time. For a comfortably loud average level around 80-85dB at the listening position, speakers of average sensitivity, such as your RTi A9s, use about 1 watt. At that moment it doesn't matter if the amplifier can supply a maximum of 10 watts, 100 watts or 1000 watts, only 1 watt is used. Of course there are brief peaks which require much more power for maybe a fraction of a second, but even this can typically be taken care of by receivers rated anywhere in the 100-150 watt area.
Bunch of baloney.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
President of Club Polk
