Is it really a flop? (RE: Tom Cruise's "Knight and Day)

Danny Tse
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edited January 2011 in Music & Movies
First of all, I've never seen the movie but I intend to see it on DVD/Blu-ray. This thread is more about how news about movie box-office grosses are reported.

When "Knight and Day" came out last summer, it was widely panned and it did underwhelming business at the movie theaters. However, based upon the reviews from those on this site who have seen the movie, this film may actually be ok. Therefore, I was surprised to find out that "Knight and Day" was actually Fox's biggest movie from 2010. A little more digging at boxofficemojo.com revealed that "Knight and Day" grossed over $260 million worldwide, with over 70% of its gross from overseas markets.

When the DVD/Blu-ray of "Knight and Day" was released, all I read is what a "box office bomb" it was. I guess the reality is anything but....
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  • punk-roc
    punk-roc Posts: 1,150
    edited January 2011
    the overseas market is becoming a bigger and bigger concern for hollywood.. it would depend on its initial budget, but if it only did $100 million or so domestic, it probably would be a flop since it most likely cost near that to make..

    but then caught up and did well once it was released overseas.. US tends to be very US-focused, except for corporations =)

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  • Danny Tse
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    edited January 2011
    punk-roc wrote: »
    the overseas market is becoming a bigger and bigger concern for hollywood.. it would depend on its initial budget, but if it only did $100 million or so domestic, it probably would be a flop since it most likely cost near that to make..

    According to the second link in my initial post, "Knight and Day" cost $117 million to make and only grossed $76 million domestically. I guess one can call it a flop if only domestic gross is counted. At the minimum, including the cost of marketing and proceeds from DVD/Blu-ray sales/rental, I'd imagine the film has made a tidy profit for Fox.
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited January 2011
    The film is not "OK." It's an abomination. I'm sure someone will yell at me for saying so, because they like "mindless entertainment," but it was HORRIBLE. The entire basis of the story made no sense. Both characters were complete caricatures. The action was not believable (it doesn't have to be REALISTIC, just enough that you can reasonably suspend disbelief, not go "come ON!").

    I'm actually quite proud of the American movie-going public for not seeing it. It deserves its "bomb" status.
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  • txcoastal1
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    edited January 2011
    bobman1235 wrote: »
    The film is not "OK." It's an abomination. I'm sure someone will yell at me for saying so, because they like "mindless entertainment," but it was HORRIBLE. The entire basis of the story made no sense. Both characters were complete caricatures. The action was not believable (it doesn't have to be REALISTIC, just enough that you can reasonably suspend disbelief, not go "come ON!").

    I'm actually quite proud of the American movie-going public for not seeing it. It deserves its "bomb" status.

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  • DMara
    DMara Posts: 1,434
    edited January 2011
    I, too, could not stand this movie :mad:, not only because it was a farce but also because Cameron Diaz looked HORRIBLE and was still selected as a female lead in an highly-advertised action movie; all of those cosmetic surgery must have caught up finally, thick powder couldn't hide it anymore, especially on Bluray :biggrin:
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,460
    edited January 2011
    I agree with the rest... I was not impressed. The script had potential as a comedy, but the original lead, Leslie Nielson, walked on it for health reasons.

    (Surely, I don't know that for a fact, but it did play like a spy-spoof film, and don't call me Shirley.:biggrin:)
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  • Knucklehead
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    edited January 2011
    The video and audio was very good........I thought it was ok....right up their with most of the unbelievable stuff Hollywood puts out.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited January 2011
    It's a flop! Can't believe I wasted a Redbox free rental on this piece of crap.
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,833
    edited January 2011
    Well .... kind of actually ..... gulp ...... liked "Knight and Day". :redface:

    Definitely helps if you don't watch it with the same expectations of a "Frontline", or "POV" documentary on PBS ,but .....


    Will agree on one thing, though.
    Cameron Diaz could have used a couple of more coats of warpaint on her puss; she grins, and the canyons on Mars come to mind.

    But .... I kind of liked "Knight and Day".
    Worth a rent, but not a buy (especially Blu-Ray).
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited January 2011
    I would say THIS certainly qualifies as a box office bomb....
    http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=nutcracker3d.htm

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/nutcracker-the-untold-story/

    0% on Rotten Tomatoes? $195,000 domestic? $39,000 overseas? $90 MILLION to make!?!?
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  • jflail2
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    edited January 2011
    I was honestly pretty surprised to see the other thread here showing this movie love. It loooked like one of those "no-brainer skips" when I saw the trailer.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2011
    I was actually pretty amused by it. No, it wasn't realistic. Yes, it was kindof... comedic, and i'm not sure if it was meant to be that way, but i don't hate myself for watching it.
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  • Ricardo
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    edited January 2011
    I enjoyed this movie. A lot. I found it had the perfect mix of action and comedy. I don't care who were the players.
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  • Knucklehead
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    edited January 2011
    redfgt45 wrote: »
    Tom Cruise's personal life definitely hurt his image as an actor in my eyes..



    IMO one has nothing to do with the other.
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  • kuntasensei
    kuntasensei Posts: 3,263
    edited January 2011
    I enjoyed it, but if I had paid to see it in the theater, I would've been PISSED. Tom Cruise really doesn't do comedy well (short of wearing a fat suit a la Tropic Thunder) and Cameron Diaz was really the only thing that made it watchable. Still, few movies really BOMB, because home video pretty much ensures they'll make their money back even on a total crapfest. I'm sure even that Nutcracker thing will break even once it hits the home market.
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  • zombie boy 2000
    zombie boy 2000 Posts: 6,641
    edited January 2011
    kuntasensei wrote: »
    I'm sure even that Nutcracker thing will break even once it hits the home market.

    Considering that its whole schtick is that it's the Nutracker (but in 3D), I wouldn't be too sure about that. Plus... kids tend to be horrified of anything Holocaust related. Just my personal experience.
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  • thesurfer
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    edited January 2011
    If a movie does not make twice what it cost, here in the U.S. its considered a bomb, As far as a good movie goes, its your basic Hey, its me tom cruise, in another one of my movies, where i make a bunch of stupid faces,, and pretty much just try to act, and look cool,, In other words its a tom cruise movie,, not what one would consider a good movie, that he happens to be in,, Just more tom cruise fodder for the masses,, on the other hand, if your a fan of his, its probaly your cup of tea.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2011
    thesurfer wrote: »
    If a movie does not make twice what it cost, here in the U.S. its considered a bomb, As far as a good movie goes, its your basic Hey, its me tom cruise, in another one of my movies, where i make a bunch of stupid faces,, and pretty much just try to act, and look cool,, In other words its a tom cruise movie,, not what one would consider a good movie, that he happens to be in,, Just more tom cruise fodder for the masses,, on the other hand, if your a fan of his, its probaly your cup of tea.

    Or, some people could care less about who the players are, and what they do or don't do outside the screen. I'm not a fan of Tom Cruise. I just happened to find the movie very entertaining.
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  • thesurfer
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    edited January 2011
    Ricardo wrote: »
    Or, some people could care less about who the players are, and what they do or don't do outside the screen. I'm not a fan of Tom Cruise. I just happened to find the movie very entertaining.

    Never said anything about what the actors do offscreen, simply implying my take on the film,,, You either like it, or you dont,, I personally dont care to pay for movies with bad actors in them, saw this free, at brother in laws,, mindless junk,,, IMHO,
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2011
    I like mindless junk. I use my mind all day every day. Nice to give it a rest sometimes.

    If i wanted to do something stimulating in my relaxation time, i'd stick my tongue in a wall socket.
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited January 2011
    Does this have to be rehashed with every bad movie? Just because something is classified as "mindless junk" doesn't mean it has to be good to peopel who like "mindless junk." If I like "comedy" does that mean I have to enjoy every comedy?

    There's good mindless junk and bad mindless junk. This is horrible mindless junk. (to me, good for you if you enjoyed it)
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  • muncybob
    muncybob Posts: 3,062
    edited January 2011
    Looks like I will mindlessly be watching this junk Thrs night...or day if I call in sick.
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  • muncybob
    muncybob Posts: 3,062
    edited January 2011
    Well, it was ok. Go into it with an open mind that it's an action movie full of improbable events and if you can stomach Cruise as uber-cool then it's entertaining. The Mrs. liked it...I missed about 1/4 of it when I dozed off :)
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  • bobman1235
    bobman1235 Posts: 10,822
    edited January 2011
    Right, cuz the only reason someone wouldn't like a movie is because they're closed minded. It's not because it's a pile of ****.
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  • Ron-P
    Ron-P Posts: 8,520
    edited January 2011
    The movie did exactly what I thought it would, it entertained me, I liked it.
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  • Rivrrat
    Rivrrat Posts: 2,101
    edited January 2011
    It's next in my Netflix que. From what I've seen I expect it to be a fun movie to watch.

    I tend to enjoy mindless junk.
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  • audiobliss
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    edited January 2011
    Ron-P wrote: »
    The movie did exactly what I thought it would, it entertained me, I liked it.
    Oh my gosh, I agree with Ron-P on a movie! :eek:

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    I definitely enjoyed this movie quite a bit. Would have zero issues rewatching it with friends anytime.
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  • exalted512
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    edited January 2011
    Rivrrat wrote: »

    I tend to enjoy mindless junk.

    I tend to enjoy Cameron Diaz.
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  • fishbones
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    edited January 2011
    It's entertaining and funny. Definitely worth a watch.
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