LSi15's & Anti-Mode 8033 sub EQ.
pearsall001
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I did alot or research on the different sub EQ units out there & the one that fit the bill for me was the DSPeaker Anti-Mode 8033 unit. I was very impressed with the rave reviews it receives & also it's ease of operation. I didn't want to get involved with charting graphs & the like. That's not my cup of tea. With this unit you simply place the mic (multiple locations if you desire) & press two buttons & watch out. The sweeps this thing performs will literally knock you on your **** if you don't turn your subs volumn down. In fact they even have a strong warning about that very thing.
Now I thought my in room bass response was excellent with my dual Velo SPL-1200R subs. They have built in room correction that does a fabulous job. But I wasn't prepared for the difference I now have after running the Anti-Mode & letting it do it's thing. What I thought was tight bass is now the way tight bass should be. The difference is staggering good! The 15's never sounded so good as they do now with the Velo's now performing top notch. I have them crossed over at 80Hz & set to small on my NAD T765 AVR & the Velo's low-pass set at 100Hz, this setup performs the best to my ears. The midrange is lush & sweet & the Vifa tweet really sings out. The whole presentation is really dynamic & forcefull. Highly recommended for it's performance, ease of use & price. If you're looking for a sub EQ by all means this this guy a look, you won't be sorry!
Now I thought my in room bass response was excellent with my dual Velo SPL-1200R subs. They have built in room correction that does a fabulous job. But I wasn't prepared for the difference I now have after running the Anti-Mode & letting it do it's thing. What I thought was tight bass is now the way tight bass should be. The difference is staggering good! The 15's never sounded so good as they do now with the Velo's now performing top notch. I have them crossed over at 80Hz & set to small on my NAD T765 AVR & the Velo's low-pass set at 100Hz, this setup performs the best to my ears. The midrange is lush & sweet & the Vifa tweet really sings out. The whole presentation is really dynamic & forcefull. Highly recommended for it's performance, ease of use & price. If you're looking for a sub EQ by all means this this guy a look, you won't be sorry!
"2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
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I use the SVS AS-EQ1 and the difference in subwoofer response was immediately noticeable...so I have no doubt it helped your case. How are you using the DSPeaker with two subwoofers when it has one output? Are you using one sub at 180 and one at 0?....or is their an option for dual outputs? The LSi15's don't really factor into anything since they are crossed and small so it's the subwoofers performing better.
EDIT: Nevermind, noticed that it is probably the 8033S not the 8033....ugh, I need to start reading closer.
You unit was Absolue Sound's Golden Ear of 2010....sweet.
Room loading is a big issue for bass and subwoofer. I'm sure when some of these folks see the letters EQ, they'll start to nod off but it's going to be a big deal down the road. I've heard some whole room EQ's @ CES that were amazing but expensive. B&K has offered room correction ability for some time but it's time consuming. MCACC and Audyssey AVR offerings are no-brainers when it comes to HT.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint. -
I noticed the 8033S is the newer addition to the line and would probably work out better for us with 2 or more subs. I just wasn't sure if the newer model(8033S) was already out in use. Looks like a few 8033C's are showing up for sale on A-gon and CL.
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Probably because of the new version....it happens all the time. If you only have one subwoofer, now's your chance to pick it up on the cheap.
You might be able to use the older 8033 with two subwoofers cable wise but I'm not sure how that would work with the mic and internal software. I mean that in, run the outputs as labeled and change one subwoofer to 180deg. I'm not sure as I have zero experience with that unit but it's probably an either/or output.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint. -
I use the SVS AS-EQ1 and the difference in subwoofer response was immediately noticeable...so I have no doubt it helped your case. How are you using the DSPeaker with two subwoofers when it has one output? Are you using one sub at 180 and one at 0?....or is their an option for dual outputs? The LSi15's don't really factor into anything since they are crossed and small so it's the subwoofers performing better.
EDIT: Nevermind, noticed that it is probably the 8033S not the 8033....ugh, I need to start reading closer.
You unit was Absolue Sound's Golden Ear of 2010....sweet.
Room loading is a big issue for bass and subwoofer. I'm sure when some of these folks see the letters EQ, they'll start to nod off but it's going to be a big deal down the road. I've heard some whole room EQ's @ CES that were amazing but expensive. B&K has offered room correction ability for some time but it's time consuming. MCACC and Audyssey AVR offerings are no-brainers when it comes to HT.
The newer model the 8033S (stereo) is out now I believe. However I was told by Toni at DSPeaker & Tim at Simplifiaudio (dealer) that I didn't have to go that route. Both units have dual outputs (0phase & 180phase) the 8033S has two inputs (R/L where the 8033 just has one input for mono). The 8033S is for a pre that has stereo outs...the unit does the summing to mono internally. Since my NAD T756 AVR has two sub outs that are the same mono signal they said I was to use the 8033 version. No need to spend the extra money for the 8033S.
I simply run one sub cable from the NAD to the 8033 "LINE IN" & then one sub cable from the 8033's two outputs. One is 0phase out & that sub cable goes to one sub set at 0phase, the other is 180phase out & that sub cable goes to my second sub set at 180phase. That's it. Press the two buttons & be prepared to be amazed!!! No charts, no graphs...just pure bass the way it's supposed to be."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
Polkie2009 wrote: »I noticed the 8033S is the newer addition to the line and would probably work out better for us with 2 or more subs. I just wasn't sure if the newer model(8033S) was already out in use. Looks like a few 8033C's are showing up for sale on A-gon and CL.
Both units, the 8033 & 8033S have two outputs (0phase & 180phase) and handle two subs. The new 8033S is geared for a pre that has true stereo outputs used for the sub. Other than that the 8033 is the unit most will use."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
pearsall001 wrote: »The newer model the 8033S (stereo) is out now I believe. However I was told by Toni at DSPeaker & Tim at Simplifiaudio (dealer) that I didn't have to go that route. Both units have dual outputs (0phase & 180phase) the 8033S has two inputs (R/L where the 8033 just has one input for mono). The 8033S is for a pre that has stereo outs...the unit does the summing to mono internally. Since my NAD T756 AVR has two sub outs that are the same mono signal they said I was to use the 8033 version. No need to spend the extra money for the 8033S.
I simply run one sub cable from the NAD to the 8033 "LINE IN" & then one sub cable from the 8033's two outputs. One is 0phase out & that sub cable goes to one sub set at 0phase, the other is 180phase out & that sub cable goes to my second sub set at 180phase. That's it. Press the two buttons & be prepared to be amazed!!! No charts, no graphs...just pure bass the way it's supposed to be.
That's what I was guessing you did....very cool.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint. -
Ok, well it sounds like the Anti-mode model 8033C will be fine to use with 2 subs, no need to spend the extra cash on the newer model 8033 S. Ilike that!
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Polkie2009 wrote: »Ok, well it sounds like the Anti-mode model 8033C will be fine to use with 2 subs, no need to spend the extra cash on the newer model 8033 S. Ilike that!
You got it, no sense spending more money if you don't have to. Did you order one yet??
"2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
I'm such a cheapskate, I'll probably just wait til I find a good used one on CL for $250.00. Most of the used ones I see go for $300.00 to $375.00.
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How does the anti-mode compare with the Velo sms-1?
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Well I just pulled the trigger on the anti-mode 8033 today to get my sub dialed in more. I used to have the SMS-1 and used it with a Velo SPL 1500 and thought it was excellent. We'll see how the 8033 compares.
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Pearsall seems to be pretty giddy about the Anti-Mode, so I'm betting you'll like it.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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Congrats on the 8033 Ern Dog, I've been thinking about getting one of these,but have held off waiting to see if the new model was worth the extra money or if I really needed the new circuitry. I'll probably end up with a used model 8033C. Keep us informed on the new addition to your setup.
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Well I just pulled the trigger on the anti-mode 8033 today to get my sub dialed in more. I used to have the SMS-1 and used it with a Velo SPL 1500 and thought it was excellent. We'll see how the 8033 compares.
You're gonna love it!!! Quick, easy & oh so effective!!!"2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
Check out this post from Audyssey about using two subs:
http://ask.audyssey.com/entries/98671-twin-subwoofers-and-multeq-xt.
It seems to imply, as it would relate to the Anti-Mode units, that using the 8033s would only be important if your subs are unequal distances from your listening spot.Living Room: HK AVR 354 as pre/pro, 2 x Polk Audio Micropro 4000, Adcom GFA-7500, 2 x Mirage OMD-15
2 x Mirage OMD-5, 1 x Mirage OMD-C1, APC H15, Sony S790, Philips 52" LCD, Beogram 3000, FAT (Firestone Audio Tobby DAC), Harmony One
Den: Sherwood R-972,as pre/pro, 2 x Velodyne SPL-1000R, 3 x Crown Drivecore XLS1500, 2 x Polk Audio Lsi9
1 x Polk Audio Lsic, 2 x Polk Audio Lsifx, Sony S790, APC H15, Dspeaker Dual Core 2.0, W4S DAC 2, Keces DA-151 -
I've gone through plenty of receivers and speakers for the past several years, but the 8033 has earned its place permanently in my HT!
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Check out this post from Audyssey about using two subs:
http://ask.audyssey.com/entries/98671-twin-subwoofers-and-multeq-xt.
It seems to imply, as it would relate to the Anti-Mode units, that using the 8033s would only be important if your subs are unequal distances from your listening spot.
Don't know how you came to that conclusion but it's not remotely close to being accurate. The Anti-Mode works it's charm no matter where the subs are located."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up. -
Thanks for the info pearsall001,everybody seems to find them easy to use and very effective. I need to get one of these:)
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pearsall001 wrote: »Don't know how you came to that conclusion but it's not remotely close to being accurate. The Anti-Mode works it's charm no matter where the subs are located.
My bad. You are correct! I didn't understand until I read more carefully that the stereo was only "in's". Initially I thought the 8033S worked somewhat like the MultiEQ XT/SUB EQ.Living Room: HK AVR 354 as pre/pro, 2 x Polk Audio Micropro 4000, Adcom GFA-7500, 2 x Mirage OMD-15
2 x Mirage OMD-5, 1 x Mirage OMD-C1, APC H15, Sony S790, Philips 52" LCD, Beogram 3000, FAT (Firestone Audio Tobby DAC), Harmony One
Den: Sherwood R-972,as pre/pro, 2 x Velodyne SPL-1000R, 3 x Crown Drivecore XLS1500, 2 x Polk Audio Lsi9
1 x Polk Audio Lsic, 2 x Polk Audio Lsifx, Sony S790, APC H15, Dspeaker Dual Core 2.0, W4S DAC 2, Keces DA-151 -
I've had the Anti-mode 8033 for 5 days now and think its awesome. It's definitely making my rig sound more enjoyable. When I first got it what struck me most was how small it is. This is literally a little bigger than a deck of playing cards.
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I've had the Anti-mode 8033 for 5 days now and think its awesome. It's definitely making my rig sound more enjoyable. When I first got it what struck me most was how small it is. This is literally a little bigger than a deck of playing cards.
Awesome!!!! It's the best $350 I've spent on my system. Nothing like immediate positive results. My HT & 2 channel have risen to even higher enjoyment."2 Channel & 11.2 HT "Two Channel:Magnepan LRSSchiit Audio Freya S - SS preConsonance Ref 50 - Tube preParasound HALO A21+ 2 channel ampBluesound NODE 2i streameriFi NEO iDSD DAC Oppo BDP-93KEF KC62 sub Home Theater:Full blown 11.2 set up.
