I'm thinking about getting into Cryogenic's. Post your opinions, ideas, thoughts.

Imspun4u

I was first introduced to the idea of Cryogenic's when I began buying tube's for my Onix amplifier. As I read, I went from tube's to review's of all thing's cryo'd audio related. Still, I have never had anything Cryogenicaly treated. All the review's have been positive though. I set out the other day to see if it was viable possiblity to buy a unit for home use. The answer is it's expensive. Yet, it is possible and in the long time I think the unit would pay for itself. I'm not a business man and have been disabled for many years. I broke my back and my kneck. Right now my quality of life is good though.The unit I'm looking at is small, computer controlled and operated. I could do vaccum tubes, interconnect's, speaker wires and a host of audio component's. It does not hurt plastic. It's safe to use.For those that are wondering, the price is basically like buying an average new car. Hey, if it was cheap everybody would be doing it, right? I don't know and would just like some input from you guy's as to what you think. Could I make a go of it or what do you think of Cryo'd equipment in the first place?

Tony M

I've heard of "tubes" getting that treatment...that's all.

I would look toward "Bob Carver" designs and men like him with their takes on Designs. I think your money would be better spent going that route.

BUT..., I have 0 experience of any kind with Cryogenics but for the price of an avg. car, there's alot more tried and proven gear on the for sale sections of a couple high end listing sites.

I don't disrespect your Cryogenic studies what so ever either. Good luck with that new tech. if you decide to go there. I think another member here has some of that tech in his/her set-up. I hope the person gives you some advice with what they found out personally.

dkg999

Cryo works good on gun barrels, especially AR and target barrels. I have some cryo'd ceramic fuses I put in my Magnepan speakers. They did make a slight by noticeable difference. The science behind cryo is pretty sound, but I don't believe that it provides a benefit for every item it is currently being used for.

nooshinjohn

I wonder if Walt Disney would have an opinion on the subject...

m1aman

or Ted Williams.

Tony M

Excuse me OP, for just this once in your thread.

Sorry John,;)

http://www.mythbusters.com/is-walt-disney-frozen-beneath-disneyland.html

Imspun4u

tony millard wrote: »

Excuse me OP, for just this once in your thread.

Sorry John,;)

http://www.mythbusters.com/is-walt-disney-frozen-beneath-disneyland.html

Thank's for that. Why do we have to be so serious all the time. A good laugh is worth a lot these day's. I know the Cryo is a novel idea yet it's interesting to hear the responce's and talk like the fellow Polk family we are. John

george daniel

I've tried cryo treated wire in my diy power cables.For the slight additional cost,I think it's worth it, small parts,wire,plugs,etc .

nooshinjohn

tony millard wrote: »

Excuse me OP, for just this once in your thread.

Sorry John,;)

http://www.mythbusters.com/is-walt-disney-frozen-beneath-disneyland.html

Thanks Tony for the update... I have never heard of using cryogenics in audio before, so I will look into it and try to get maybe some tubes to roll into my Rogue before I make any opinion.

Echosphere

I have cryo IC's and speaker cables.

What it does is to help preserve and depending on the type, bond the elements.

You can put batteries, coffee and cigarettes in a freezer. It will help bond their elements. If it was a span of 50 or more years it will help STABILIZE the elements for longer. (though maybe a freezer is not a good analogy as it introduces condensation and non freon AC depending on the model)

Here is the issue though.

If you were to need to keep them there in cryo for 200 years it would be a good investment. The cryo would weather better than those 200 years out in the open.

But going from open environment to cryo back to open environment is brutal. Meaning if you put your finger in cryo for 2 minutes and come back out, it won't be pretty. But if you cut your finger off and left it out in the open for 200 years compared to cryo, cyro would win.

So, if you like your ICs now and want to listen to them now. Don't cryo them. If you need your cables to be there in 200 years for your ancestors to appreciate, go Cryo!

Again, for the short tem cryo will help bond the metal elements. But that is not always what you want. There has to be normal environmental "spaces" between elements to attract them together.

I don't know how to explain this very well...

Ok, you have a shirt in a freeze dried bag. It will last there a long time. Take it out and it's wrinkled, musty, doesn't fit. But it did last longer.

Take that same shirt from the dryer, its open nice feels good not compressed. It'll last for 5 years but wears great.

Ok, that wasn't good either. Anybody else can pitch in?


If you were thinking of investing in it for a business, I would highly advice against it. Especially for audiophile. If cryo were the $$$ Carver, Mark Levinson, Sony, Krell, and that Bose crap company would have patented it by now. Meaning, don't go for it as a business model. Sorry...

Imspun4u

When I worked offshore and had to do machine repair's they would put the race's in a freezer for about a week. The race's would be smoking from the cold when removed. It shrunk the metal for easire installilation. Upon warming the race's would go back to nomal size creating a tight fit. Perfect for the quick operation. The same is true if you freeze something (metal) in a normal freezer. But, a normal freezer is not coldf enough. The molecules soon expand to their normal density. I have read for example that a cryo'd pocked knife will stay sharp three times longer and the metal has become permanemently harder. I (semi-audiophile) would like to try all my component's. Tubes, HDMI cables, interconnect's, copper wireing, etc. (hear it doesn't work on Silver so much as silver is bright to begin with). I think first I will send off some of my tube's to see if I can hear a discernable difference. Since it's so expensive to get into I will pray on it for a few month's before any decision. If I do I will set up a website to reach as many as possible. Also, Cryoing suck's all the oxygen out of the unit's chamber. It's pernament. John

Imspun4u

Echosphere wrote: »

I have cryo IC's and speaker cables.

What it does is to help preserve and depending on the type, bond the elements.

You can put batteries, coffee and cigarettes in a freezer. It will help bond their elements. If it was a span of 50 or more years it will help STABILIZE the elements for longer. (though maybe a freezer is not a good analogy as it introduces condensation and non freon AC depending on the model)

Here is the issue though.

If you were to need to keep them there in cryo for 200 years it would be a good investment. The cryo would weather better than those 200 years out in the open.

But going from open environment to cryo back to open environment is brutal. Meaning if you put your finger in cryo for 2 minutes and come back out, it won't be pretty. But if you cut your finger off and left it out in the open for 200 years compared to cryo, cyro would win.

So, if you like your ICs now and want to listen to them now. Don't cryo them. If you need your cables to be there in 200 years for your ancestors to appreciate, go Cryo!

Again, for the short tem cryo will help bond the metal elements. But that is not always what you want. There has to be normal environmental "spaces" between elements to attract them together.

I don't know how to explain this very well...

Ok, you have a shirt in a freeze dried bag. It will last there a long time. Take it out and it's wrinkled, musty, doesn't fit. But it did last longer.

Take that same shirt from the dryer, its open nice feels good not compressed. It'll last for 5 years but wears great.

Ok, that wasn't good either. Anybody else can pitch in?


If you were thinking of investing in it for a business, I would highly advice against it. Especially for audiophile. If cryo were the $$$ Carver, Mark Levinson, Sony, Krell, and that Bose crap company would have patented it by now. Meaning, don't go for it as a business model. Sorry...

The review's I've read all mentioned deeper sound stages, More life like instruments, better tonality, etc. I will keep reading and researching though and appreciate your input'
John

Echosphere

Imspun4u wrote: »

When I worked offshore and had to do machine repair's they would put the race's in a freezer for about a week. The race's would be smoking from the cold when removed. It shrunk the metal for easire installilation. Upon warming the race's would go back to nomal size creating a tight fit. Perfect for the quick operation. The same is true if you freeze something (metal) in a normal freezer. But, a normal freezer is not coldf enough. The molecules soon expand to their normal density. I have read for example that a cryo'd pocked knife will stay sharp three times longer and the metal has become permanemently harder. I (semi-audiophile) would like to try all my component's. Tubes, HDMI cables, interconnect's, copper wireing, etc. (hear it doesn't work on Silver so much as silver is bright to begin with). I think first I will send off some of my tube's to see if I can hear a discernable difference. Since it's so expensive to get into I will pray on it for a few month's before any decision. If I do I will set up a website to reach as many as possible. Also, Cryoing suck's all the oxygen out of the unit's chamber. It's pernament. John

You're wrong about the freezer. We routinely shove control arms and bushings in there overnight to condense them or we use dry ice for faster freezing times. Also dead/dying hard drives to get them to work again. It works, try it.

It sounds like you've pretty much made up your mind about it though. If it does sound better, more bass, then more power to you.

I just don't think it is worth it. The cryo ICs and Speaker cables I own? Don't sound any different to me than before they were dipped for the fun of it.

Again, if it worked wonders, then companies would be selling it by the tons. Which they aren't. Personally, I don't think it is good structurally especially for metals.

Money better spent on good gear. Just my 2 cents.

Imspun4u

Echosphere wrote: »

You're wrong about the freezer. We routinely shove control arms and bushings in there overnight to condense them or we use dry ice for faster freezing times. Also dead/dying hard drives to get them to work again. It works, try it.

It sounds like you've pretty much made up your mind about it though. If it does sound better, more bass, then more power to you.

I just don't think it is worth it. The cryo ICs and Speaker cables I own? Don't sound any different to me than before they were dipped for the fun of it.

Again, if it worked wonders, then companies would be selling it by the tons. Which they aren't. Personally, I don't think it is good structurally especially for metals.

Money better spent on good gear. Just my 2 cents.

Good comments, My mind is not set though. I agree that if everybody found it to make a huge difference then we would all be buying cryo'd equipment. Maybey tube's show the best results. All your opinion's are invaluable to me. It would be nice to hear from someone that has had a set of tube's done. Thank's again- John

Imspun4u

Also, if the freezer method work's then maybe I should try freezing or packing my tube's in dry ice. Just a thought.
John

Imspun4u

Just to let everyone know I've decided to wait on getting into Cryo equipment. It's just to expensive at this point and nonsense for a hobby. I would like to try and get some of my expensive tube's cry'od though. Maybe I should check into some of the gun smith's in my area and see if anyone is doing gun barrel's. (I doubt it though). I know there are place's online that do this so that's a thought as well. You guy's have fun and thank's for the reply's.

zingo

Imspun4u wrote: »

I'm thinking about getting into Cryogenic's. Post your opinions, ideas, thoughts.

It's a fine profession, but I'm not sure what it has to do with audio...

In physics, cryogenics is the study of the production of very low temperature (below −150 °C, −238 °F or 123 K). A person who studies elements under extremely cold temperature is called a cryogenicist. Rather than the familiar temperature scales of Celsius and Fahrenheit, cryogenicists use the Kelvin scale .