Universal Music Japan's possible return to single-layer SACD (with Steely Dan's Aja)

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  • pmckeealaska
    pmckeealaska Posts: 808
    edited October 2010
    Wasnt there another SACD of this album that came out a few years back? I seem to remember it coming out along with Tommy but maybe I'm mistaken. If there is another SACD version, I'd be interested to hear how the two would compare??
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited October 2010
    No other Who's Next on SACD. There was My Generation and Tommy.
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  • pmckeealaska
    pmckeealaska Posts: 808
    edited October 2010
    Interesting article on SHM, SACD, and the Who's Next SHM-SACD in particular below. I'd be interested in what others on here think about it. Maybe "psychology" does play a part in the perception of a CD's sound quality but I can say at least that to my mind, this new version of Who's Next is the definitive version. On my second spin now and I'll be damned if it doesnt sound better than the first time around!

    http://www.taggedtalk.com/blog/2010-09-17-shm-sacd-super-expensive-but-how-super-is-the-sound.html
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited October 2010
    From the blog,
    The SHM thing I suspect is nonsense; if CDs and SACDs made with ordinary material did not work properly, we would have noticed it years ago. The advantages of SACD are doubtful too, certainly for stereo, because the limitations of human hearing make the extended frequency response pointless.

    Not only doesn't he understand what the SHM material does, he's completely clueless about the benefits of SACD.
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  • pmckeealaska
    pmckeealaska Posts: 808
    edited October 2010
    The bottom line for me is, "how does it sound to you"? For me, this version sounds superior to my other copy. My wife was responsible for putting in each version of the album and 10 out of 10 times I easily picked out the SHM-SACD easily. I guess its "to each his/her own tastes". To my tastes, this one rocks!!
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  • pmckeealaska
    pmckeealaska Posts: 808
    edited October 2010
    Pretty cool sounding album. Hearing things I had never noticed before. There is some noise in the background during the final synth section of Wont Get Fooled Again, just before the drums come back in...it's neat to hear "imperfections" like that and gives the recording a real life like feeling. You can really crank this album with zero distortion. The link I posted above states that Wont Get Fooled Again was recorded louder than the rest of the album but damn if I can hear it. Daltrey's scream at the end of the track has always been epic but on this SACD it's downright earth-shattering!!
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited November 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    No other Who's Next on SACD. There was My Generation and Tommy.

    And "Live at the Royal Albert Hall"

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited November 2010
    Thanks Danny, I forgot that one and I have it too.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,329
    edited November 2010
    Aja.


    Worth every penny I spent!!! Glad I pulled the trigger, this will be in heavy rotation with out a doubt.
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  • pmckeealaska
    pmckeealaska Posts: 808
    edited November 2010
    Glad to hear you're enjoying it. It's a revelation to me after hearing that album for so many years. I have the SHM-SACD of WHo's Next as well, but I think Aja is the better of the two. My own tastes I guess....
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  • Polkitup2
    Polkitup2 Posts: 1,623
    edited November 2010
    Buy 4 SHM-SACDs get 1 free:

    http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/rcms/music/shmsacd_offer.html
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited December 2010
    Tentative SHM-SACD releases scheduled for February 2011

    Bach/Richter Brandenburg Concertos Nos. 1, 2, 3
    Schubert/Rostropovich Arpeggione Sonata
    Bizet/Mutter/Levine Carmen-fantasie
    The Rolling Stones - Big Hits (High Tide and Green Grass)
    The Who - My Generation (featuring all-new mono remastering from the original British master tapes)
    Creedence Clearwater Revival - Bayou Country
    Bill Evans - Alone
    Gerry Mulligan - Night Lights
    Jimmy Smith - The Cat
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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited December 2010
    Dangit... nothing I really want there. I did receive my "Pretenders II" MoFi SACD yesterday and gave it a spin last night. Quite an improvement over the original CD release. God I love that disc.

    I pre-ordered the SRV "Texas Flood" SACD as well.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited December 2010
    Not a very exciting selection considering what they have on hand.
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  • muncybob
    muncybob Posts: 3,062
    edited December 2010
    Has anybody heard the SHM version of Allman Bros @ Filmore East? I see it was asked earlier but unless I missed it I didn't see any replies.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited December 2010
    Just got my latest shipment of SHM-SACD's in from Japan. The gear is warmed up, the ear wax is cleaned out and I'm ready for some great tunes. :biggrin:


    Has anybody heard the SHM version of Allman Bros @ Filmore East?

    Yes, love it.
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited December 2010
    I would like to hear your impressions of Wheels Of Fire Jesse. I will be buying this one if it's good.

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,729
    edited December 2010
    How did you know that WOF would be the first up....lol

    Only listened once and as with the other SHM-SACD's I expect the sound to improve after further plays. That said, it's good. The drums and cymbals are very good, natural if you will. Heck, it's all good with one exception, there is a lack of deep bass. We'll see about that later.

    I listened to Gaucho is well. I have to say it is amazing how the same source can end up sounding so different. In comparision, the 2003 SACD sounds shouty (not a word) and harsh, but once again the 2010 version lacks the deep bass punch that the 2003 version has. Hopefully that will improve with further plays. The 2010 version is, without a doubt, more natural sounding otherwise.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited December 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    How did you know that WOF would be the first up....lol

    Only listened once and as with the other SHM-SACD's I expect the sound to improve after further plays. That said, it's good. The drums and cymbals are very good, natural if you will. Heck, it's all good with one exception, there is a lack of deep bass. We'll see about that later.

    I listened to Gaucho is well. I have to say it is amazing how the same source can end up sounding so different. In comparision, the 2003 SACD sounds shouty (not a word) and harsh, but once again the 2010 version lacks the deep bass punch that the 2003 version has. Hopefully that will improve with further plays. The 2010 version is, without a doubt, more natural sounding otherwise.

    Jess, I'm confused. When you say "further plays" are you inferring that the disc's sound will improve with time or that you need to adjust something or you need to get used to the sound?
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited December 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    How did you know that WOF would be the first up....lol

    Only listened once and as with the other SHM-SACD's I expect the sound to improve after further plays. That said, it's good. The drums and cymbals are very good, natural if you will. Heck, it's all good with one exception, there is a lack of deep bass. We'll see about that later.

    I listened to Gaucho is well. I have to say it is amazing how the same source can end up sounding so different. In comparision, the 2003 SACD sounds shouty (not a word) and harsh, but once again the 2010 version lacks the deep bass punch that the 2003 version has. Hopefully that will improve with further plays. The 2010 version is, without a doubt, more natural sounding otherwise.

    Jesse, please let us know what you think of the CD's after a few more listening sessions. Interested to see if your impression(s) change.

    Greg
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  • polkapolka
    polkapolka Posts: 145
    edited January 2011
    Thanks for the post OP. I will definitely be ordering from them soon. Love the SACDs. Only have a few now, but plan on buying as many as I can.

    What audiophile doesn't love SACDs?

    I love vinyl as well, but the SACDs also have the convenience factor :)!
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