It's not the last of the V-8 Interceptors...

RuSsMaN
RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
edited April 2010 in The Clubhouse
...but it sure looks interesting.

http://www.carbonmotors.com/

Anyone seen this? Saw a spot on G4 last night.
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited April 2010
    turbo diesel, 400 lb feet of torque? this thing might be a monster. Would love to know who's base platform they are using as I would be stunned if they make there own.

    looks interesting though
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited April 2010
    The platform is their own Lou, hardcore.
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,807
    edited April 2010
    It's all Carbon Motors. No one else is involved. The drivetrain might be sourced from another company with higher production capabilities but the car itself is all Carbon Motors. It's been floating around the Intarwebs for a couple years now.

    It's a snazzy ride but expensive. Ford, GM and Chysler are all still offering cheaper alternatives. Ford' Crown Vic is out this year which is a shame because that is a solid, reliable platform that can take abuse. They switched to a Taurus base for the new police vehicle. It should be just as durable but time will tell I suppose. It's better than the GM options at least. But the Dodge Charger is making headway in the market. Mainly because of power. Alot of police are saying it's fragile though and hard to get in and out of. That's probably why not many state departments have picked it up preferring to stay with the CV or converted SUVs.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited April 2010
    It's an engine from BMW, made in Austria.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited April 2010
    When do we go for a ride!
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited April 2010
    Jstas wrote: »
    It's a snazzy ride but expensive. Ford, GM and Chysler are all still offering cheaper alternatives.

    I wonder how much cheaper? I've seen the Carbon on the internet and I think it's a great idea.

    Btw, anyone know if any law enforcement agencies out there still use the old-school Camaro Z28 (not the current version)? I just noticed that California Highway Patrol (CHP) is still using theirs near where I live.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited April 2010
    It appears that most of the departments around here have switched to Chargers already.
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    Btw, anyone know if any law enforcement agencies out there still use the old-school Camaro Z28 (not the current version)? I just noticed that California Highway Patrol (CHP) is still using theirs near where I live.
    I haven't seen one in a couple of years around here.
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,807
    edited April 2010
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    I wonder how much cheaper?

    I'm going to have to dig a bit more to find the prices when I have more time. IIRC though, the Carbon Motors rig is over $40K. Ford's Taurus based rig 10-12K less and GM's Zeta platform based rig is almost $20K cheaper. But, the Ford and Carbon Motors rigs are better appointed with more equipment options and better ergonomics and layouts than GM's Caprice Police Patrol Vehicle.

    Chrysler is supposed to be updating the Charger to compete but I haven't seen any press releases other than the typical "Yeah...we're gonna do it." BS from Chrysler.

    I think that Ford is going to sell way more Taurus sedans to taxi fleets than cop departments.

    Oh, one thing about the Ford rig, since it's based on the same platform as the Taurus, Ford is going to...or at least planning to release a "utility" version based on the Flex, the box crossover that replaces the Taurus X. I honestly think that is a better option than the hulking SUV's.
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,502
    edited April 2010
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    I wonder how much cheaper? I've seen the Carbon on the internet and I think it's a great idea.

    Btw, anyone know if any law enforcement agencies out there still use the old-school Camaro Z28 (not the current version)? I just noticed that California Highway Patrol (CHP) is still using theirs near where I live.


    you still see them around as chase vehicles on highways (only place those things would be usefule, as they dont come close to a full functional cop car. they pursue, just like the 5.0 stangs did as well.

    obviously they have been phasing out over time, I saw a Z28 in NY state on the throughway about 3 yrs ago, was the last one i saw in person but am sure they still got some in the midwest to west......parts for them are cheap and abundant
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    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited April 2010
    Jstas wrote: »
    Oh, one thing about the Ford rig, since it's based on the same platform as the Taurus, Ford is going to...or at least planning to release a "utility" version based on the Flex, the box crossover that replaces the Taurus X. I honestly think that is a better option than the hulking SUV's.
    Speaking from experience, hulking SUV's do come in handy at times, but it would be silly to have a fleet of them.
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited April 2010
    Jstas wrote: »
    I'm going to have to dig a bit more to find the prices when I have more time. IIRC though, the Carbon Motors rig is over $40K. Ford's Taurus based rig 10-12K less and GM's Zeta platform based rig is almost $20K cheaper. But, the Ford and Carbon Motors rigs are better appointed with more equipment options and better ergonomics and layouts than GM's Caprice Police Patrol Vehicle.

    Chrysler is supposed to be updating the Charger to compete but I haven't seen any press releases other than the typical "Yeah...we're gonna do it." BS from Chrysler.

    I think that Ford is going to sell way more Taurus sedans to taxi fleets than cop departments.

    Oh, one thing about the Ford rig, since it's based on the same platform as the Taurus, Ford is going to...or at least planning to release a "utility" version based on the Flex, the box crossover that replaces the Taurus X. I honestly think that is a better option than the hulking SUV's.

    Thanks for the info, Jstas!

    I'm asking because I've heard police offiers have complained about accessibility issues about getting in and out of police cars that were modified production sedans. I remember seeing a TV interview in which San Francisco Police officers were raving about how easy to get in and out of their (then new) Chevy SUV police "cars" with their night sticks. Therefore, I'd imagine a purpose build police car, like the Carbon, would be better suited for police duties and potentially a lifesaver.

    Of course, I'm coming into this conversation being a complete "civilian" and probably have no idea what I am babbling about.
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited April 2010
    ohskigod wrote: »
    obviously they have been phasing out over time, I saw a Z28 in NY state on the throughway about 3 yrs ago, was the last one i saw in person but am sure they still got some in the midwest to west......parts for them are cheap and abundant

    I wonder if law enforcement agencies will use the new Mustang, Camaro, or Cahllenger for police duties? Perhaps in better economic times?
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    Jstas Posts: 14,807
    edited April 2010
    Face wrote: »
    Speaking from experience, hulking SUV's do come in handy at times, but it would be silly to have a fleet of them.

    Oh, I don't disagree but at the same time, I see NJ State Poopers rocketing down I295 and the Turnpike in gigantic Chebbie Tahoes that I really don't think were intended as pursuit vehicles. The Flex based "utility" patrol vehicle would be much better suited to that purpose or as a K-9 unit.

    There are advantages to big SUV's. Foul-weather, pushing crippled vehicles out of the way and just carrying tons of crap. But most Staties could get away with a Flex and be much more efficient with them for carrying tons of crap.

    Then again, the Flex and Taurus will be offered in AWD form as well so the foul-weather aspect would be covered there as well.
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    Jstas Posts: 14,807
    edited April 2010
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    Thanks for the info, Jstas!

    I'm asking because I've heard police offiers have complained about accessibility issues about getting in and out of police cars that were modified production sedans. I remember seeing a TV interview in which San Francisco Police officers were raving about how easy to get in and out of their (then new) Chevy SUV police "cars" with their night sticks. Therefore, I'd imagine a purpose build police car, like the Carbon, would be better suited for police duties and potentially a lifesaver.

    Of course, I'm coming into this conversation being a complete "civilian" and probably have no idea what I am babbling about.

    Yes, that is a large complaint and why many officers are lamenting the demise of the CV. It's also one of the criticisms of the Charger. But Ford kept the CV going this long so that they could get the Taurus mules ready and out to be tested in Michigan. The Carbon Motors rig already addresses those problems as well as many others. Ford took many of teh criticisms and complaints of the CV and applied them to the Taurus. Granted, the Taurus isn't as purpose built as the Carbon it does have many of teh same ergonomic features including seats that make room for equipment belts as well as special seatbelts for the same purpose.Rear seat entry and egress is supposedly better in the Taurus than all but the Carbon Motors rig and is better than the outgoing CV.

    Danny Tse wrote: »
    I wonder if law enforcement agencies will use the new Mustang, Camaro, or Cahllenger for police duties? Perhaps in better economic times?

    I do believe that there is already a pursuit package for the Mustang. IIRC, it is done on special order by Roush. It doesn't make it any hotter, just adds heavy duty and super duty parts to make it more durable.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited April 2010
    Danny, a few local departments around here (North Texas) already have new Mustangs, but strictly as chase vehicles.
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,807
    edited April 2010
    RuSsMaN wrote: »
    Danny, a few local departments around here (North Texas) already have new Mustangs, but strictly as chase vehicles.

    Are they police packages or just Mustangs with some paint and flashy lights?
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,807
    edited April 2010
    Here, articles detailing features and comparisons:

    http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/19/charting-the-five-ohs-next-gen-cop-car-comparo/

    http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/09/carbon-motors-releases-real-shots-of-purpose-built-e7-police-car/



    I still can't find the quote price ballparks I saw though. I guess it would help if I remembered where I actually saw them.
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited April 2010
    From a few of my Cop friends, they say the new Charger is a lot smaller inside than the Crown Vic, and thus not a partner car. Nice car, but less practical.

    The Carbon does look like a great car, but seeing the state of most of our local governments, a more expensive vehicle is not going to be the first choice on budgets; no matter how much better it is.
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    Btw, anyone know if any law enforcement agencies out there still use the old-school Camaro Z28 (not the current version)? I just noticed that California Highway Patrol (CHP) is still using theirs near where I live.

    Washington State Patrol has an NSX. :D
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited April 2010
    How the hell would I know John, I haven't ridden in one (yet). They're GT's, how much more modded do they need to be?
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  • Jstas
    Jstas Posts: 14,807
    edited April 2010
    RuSsMaN wrote: »
    How the hell would I know John, I haven't ridden in one (yet). They're GT's, how much more modded do they need to be?

    If they are police packages, they won't say GT on them anywhere.
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