Bare-bones integrated with subwoofer output

Clipdat
Clipdat Posts: 12,560
edited October 2018 in Wanted (WTB) Classifieds
Stereo integrated amplifier. No frills.
No bluetooth, no DAC, no headphone jack, no phono stage, no balance or tone controls (if possible)
Minimal amount of inputs. Decent power output. A/B preferred, D acceptable. Must have subwoofer pre-out.

Does a product like this exist? If so, I want to buy it.



Here's a few that "kinda" fit:

https://audioengineusa.com/shop/amplifiers/n22-desktop-audio-amplifier/
(Leading contender)

https://nadelectronics.com/product/d-3020v2-hybrid-digital-amplifier/
(Original one doesn't have phono stage, both have BT)

Comments

  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,256
    https://emotiva.com/collections/amps/products/a-100

    No frills (except headphone jack) and class A/B. Reviews outside of Emotiva are very positive for a simple but powerful little integrated amp.
  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,560
    edited October 2018
    Not bad Zingo, not bad!

    The fact that it has a fan inside of it is a little silly, imo.
  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,560
    edited October 2018
    It's not clear to me if the Emotiva's RCA output can be used as a subwoofer pre-out. They describe it as a "loop output" that mirrors the input signal. "A loop output provides a duplicate of the input signal to facilitate chaining additional amplifiers or other devices."

    In this case the output will be full range and not dependent on the volume control. I don't believe this would work as a subwoofer pre out.
  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,256
    It looks like you are right; buggers!
  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,256
    I have this amp and the 301 a step above it and like both, but it does have a DAC function you don’t need.

    https://www.parts-express.com/teac-ai-101da-high-resolution-stereo-bluetooth-amplifier-with-usb-dac-2-x-26w--248-500
  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
    edited October 2018
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,McIntosh MCD301 CD/SACD player, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2, Series2 Digital Cables, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Series2 XLR's, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
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    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated Amp, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's, Shunyata Hydra 8 Power Conditioner
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Rotel RCD-1072 CD player, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 6,646
    Wait.....did I just hear someone say "bare bones"?

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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 7,952
    Vital question: what’s the budget? And does it HAVE to have no frills, or is that to keep it under a certain $$$ limit.
    Living Room 2.2: Usher BE-718 "tiny dancers"; Dual DIY Dayton audio RSS210HF-4 Subs with Dayton SPA-250 amps; Arcam SA30; Musical Fidelity A308; Sony UBP-x1000es; Squeezebox Touch with Bolder Power Supply
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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 6,646
    la2vegas wrote: »

    Wait, that's not a pug, what gives?

    All dogs are awesome! :)
  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
    This guy has a sub out! Sprout by PS Audio.
    jps7le4trcw3.png
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,McIntosh MCD301 CD/SACD player, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2, Series2 Digital Cables, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Series2 XLR's, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, Northstar Designs Intenso DAC, Antique Sound Labs AV8 Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated Amp, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's, Shunyata Hydra 8 Power Conditioner
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Rotel RCD-1072 CD player, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
    Garage #1: Cambridge Audio 640A Integrated Amp, Project Box-E BT Streamer, Polk Tsi200 Bookies, Douglas Speaker Cables, Shunyata Power Conditioner
    Garage #2: Cambridge Audio EVO150 Integrated Amplifier, Polk L200's, Analysis Plus Silver Oval 2 Speaker Cables, IC's TBD.
  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
    Cute little guy!
    vxe6barft4j4.png
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,McIntosh MCD301 CD/SACD player, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2, Series2 Digital Cables, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Series2 XLR's, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, Northstar Designs Intenso DAC, Antique Sound Labs AV8 Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated Amp, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's, Shunyata Hydra 8 Power Conditioner
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Rotel RCD-1072 CD player, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
    Garage #1: Cambridge Audio 640A Integrated Amp, Project Box-E BT Streamer, Polk Tsi200 Bookies, Douglas Speaker Cables, Shunyata Power Conditioner
    Garage #2: Cambridge Audio EVO150 Integrated Amplifier, Polk L200's, Analysis Plus Silver Oval 2 Speaker Cables, IC's TBD.
  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 6,646
    verb wrote: »
    Cute little guy!

    Yeah, but those caps are already leaking.
  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
    Mmm, capacitor electrolyte used for popping corn! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,McIntosh MCD301 CD/SACD player, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2, Series2 Digital Cables, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Series2 XLR's, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, Northstar Designs Intenso DAC, Antique Sound Labs AV8 Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated Amp, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's, Shunyata Hydra 8 Power Conditioner
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Rotel RCD-1072 CD player, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
    Garage #1: Cambridge Audio 640A Integrated Amp, Project Box-E BT Streamer, Polk Tsi200 Bookies, Douglas Speaker Cables, Shunyata Power Conditioner
    Garage #2: Cambridge Audio EVO150 Integrated Amplifier, Polk L200's, Analysis Plus Silver Oval 2 Speaker Cables, IC's TBD.
  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,256
    Maverick Audio class A/B hybid integrated amp with preout.

    https://www.mav-audio.com/base/product/tube_magic_a1
  • mlistens03
    mlistens03 Posts: 2,767
    Mission Cyrus integrated would fit all your bills other than sub out. They usually go around $400 on eBay, although they aren’t too common AFAIK. Like my Mission speakers, only sold in England.
    I don’t know much about them, other than that they supposedly sound really good.
  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
    Hey Drew, how about an Ampino integrated? No sub out, but sweet! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS 1.2tl's, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,McIntosh MCD301 CD/SACD player, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2, Series2 Digital Cables, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Series2 XLR's, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, Northstar Designs Intenso DAC, Antique Sound Labs AV8 Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated Amp, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's, Shunyata Hydra 8 Power Conditioner
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Rotel RCD-1072 CD player, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
    Garage #1: Cambridge Audio 640A Integrated Amp, Project Box-E BT Streamer, Polk Tsi200 Bookies, Douglas Speaker Cables, Shunyata Power Conditioner
    Garage #2: Cambridge Audio EVO150 Integrated Amplifier, Polk L200's, Analysis Plus Silver Oval 2 Speaker Cables, IC's TBD.
  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 32,926
    edited October 2018
    or... or... or...

    Howzabout a high-quality power amplifier and a passive attenuator/source selector with two attenuated outputs?

    This is the way I roll (well, I guess the high quality part's debatable) and it was trivial (at least from a logistical perspective) to add a (powered) subwoofer when the urge struck.

  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,560
    edited October 2018
    zingo wrote: »
    I have this amp and the 301 a step above it and like both, but it does have a DAC function you don’t need.
    I took a look at a few of the TEAC offerings last night, good call. They look to be well reviewed, but as you mention have the unnecessary DAC. Still, an option, as they don't seem to be in high demand which means that deals on eBay are likely to be had.

    verb wrote: »
    Interesting little guy. Vista Spark:
    The Spark would be absolutely perfect if it had the sub pre out.

    rooftop59 wrote: »
    Vital question: what’s the budget? And does it HAVE to have no frills, or is that to keep it under a certain $$$ limit.
    Under $500. It doesn't have to have no frills, but as my request is not typical (most people want more features, not less) it would be somewhat silly to pay for things that aren't needed.

    verb wrote: »
    This guy has a sub out! Sprout by PS Audio.
    The Sprout is a solid suggestion. It does have the unnecessary phono stage and BT, but the PS Audio build quality and sound might make up for that.

    verb wrote: »
    Cute little guy! (Orb Audio Booster)
    I saw this on Amazon last night! Not bad.

    zingo wrote: »
    Maverick Audio class A/B hybid integrated amp with preout.

    https://www.mav-audio.com/base/product/tube_magic_a1
    Now we're talking! This is the most promising option so far! Very cool!

    mlistens03 wrote: »
    Mission Cyrus integrated would fit all your bills other than sub out. They usually go around $400 on eBay, although they aren’t too common AFAIK. Like my Mission speakers, only sold in England.
    I don’t know much about them, other than that they supposedly sound really good.
    Hah, of course you would come through with a vintage suggestion! ;) Could be a cool choice, provided one can be found in good shape for a reasonable price!

    verb wrote: »
    Hey Drew, how about an Ampino integrated? No sub out, but sweet! :smile:
    No sub out, no deal!

    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    or... or... or...

    Howzabout a high-quality power amplifier and a passive attenuator/source selector with two attenuated outputs?

    This is the way I roll (well, I guess the high quality part's debatable) and it was trivial (at least from a logistical perspective) to add a (powered) subwoofer when the urge struck.
    I like this suggestion as well as it opens up the flexibility of running whatever amplifier I want. Do you know of a nice passive attenuator/source selector with two attenuated outputs?
  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,560
    edited October 2018
    halo wrote: »
    Over specified budget.
  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,256
    edited October 2018
    Clipdat wrote: »
    I like this suggestion as well as it opens up the flexibility of running whatever amplifier I want. Do you know of a nice passive attenuator/source selector with two attenuated outputs?

    https://luminousaudio.com/collections/axiom-ii-passive-preamp/products/axiom-ii-passive-preamp-walker-mod

    I like these a lot from Luminous Audio as they are well built, but they also perform really well since Tim builds it to your source and amp specs.

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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,560
    Hell yeah! That's amazing.
  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
    Why can't you just run line level to the sub & the speakers simultaneously, as @F1nut suggested in the Setting Up A Subwoofer for 2.1 thread?
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  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,560
    halo wrote: »
    Why can't you just run line level to the sub & the speakers simultaneously, as @F1nut suggested in the Setting Up A Subwoofer for 2.1 thread?

    I don't know. I thought the pre-out method was the most easy and intuitive, with good sound quality.
  • scubalab
    scubalab Posts: 3,101
    Drew - If you're considering used, I may be willing to part with my Music Hall A25.2. Fits all your needs, and would be WELL under budget. Nice little integrated that's 4 ohm stable with a sub out and definitely bare bones. Shoot me a PM if interested.

    -Al