CSi A6 lacking punch it once had

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,243
    What John described as potentially happening could have happened to a $5,000 center channel speaker. The price of the speaker has nothing to do with it, unfortunately.
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  • gp4jesusgp4jesus Posts: 1,157
    edited August 10
    tonyb wrote: »
    Try setting the center to full range and see if that snap is back. Sounds like your receiver is defaulting to certain surround parameters, there should be a way to just manually tune things without having to use the mic and without saving a pre disposed setting.
    +1. have you tried fullrange?
    Tony M wrote: »
    Have you pushed gently on the woofer cones to see if they move in and out freely?
    +1
    Any chance either of your L/R or theCC are connected backwards?

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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,610
    Maybe at the receiver the CC was plugged into a LF or RF output. Doubtful but just a thought. :|
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  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 1,407
    You replaced the crossover, right? When you reassembled the speaker, did you make sure to check the phase of the drivers? Open it up and make sure that + is going to + and - is going to -.
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  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 4,425
    Maybe your AVR is running out of gas. I didn't read all of the post but your original post said you added a couple of speakers no?
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    Mr. Sharpe wrote: »
    Meh these were extra $70 as an open box item so it didn’t much to me either way:)

  • gp4jesus wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Try setting the center to full range and see if that snap is back. Sounds like your receiver is defaulting to certain surround parameters, there should be a way to just manually tune things without having to use the mic and without saving a pre disposed setting.
    +1. have you tried fullrange?
    Tony M wrote: »
    Have you pushed gently on the woofer cones to see if they move in and out freely?
    +1
    Any chance either of your L/R or theCC are connected backwards?

    I’ve tried Full Range. The issue is no matter where the crossover is set in the receiver, the speaker does not output the range that it used to when I first got it and what it is supposed to.

    All connections are where they should be. Left to left, right to right, center to center.
    mlistens03 wrote: »
    You replaced the crossover, right? When you reassembled the speaker, did you make sure to check the phase of the drivers? Open it up and make sure that + is going to + and - is going to -.

    The + and - connections are different size spade connectors. They could only be reconnected one way.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    Maybe your AVR is running out of gas. I didn't read all of the post but your original post said you added a couple of speakers no?

    Didn’t add speakers. Only upgraded my surrounds to RTIA3’s. I highly doubt a TX-RZ810 (RZ series being Onkyo’s top end. Similar to a Pioneer Elite series) would choke with just 5 speakers when it supports up to 7.2 or 5.2.2.
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,610
    edited August 15
    Have you hooked the center channel speaker up to a main left or right output speaker wire yet? That test right here will tell you FOR SURE if your woofers are blown in some way.

    Also, do the woofer speakers in your center channel push in easily? I asked this before, didn't I?
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • Tony M wrote: »
    Have you hooked the center channel speaker up to a main left or right output speaker wire yet? That test right here will tell you FOR SURE if your woofers are blown in some way.

    Also, do the woofer speakers in your center channel push in easily? I asked this before, didn't I?

    Yes I have. Wasn’t really any different than when plugged into the center. Perhaps only very slightly louder in volume, but probably due to it being a different channel. Still lacked all punch.

    The woofers can push in. How easily? I don’t know. Since I don’t know where the reference of “easy” should be. But they do push in.
  • Tony M wrote: »
    Have you hooked the center channel speaker up to a main left or right output speaker wire yet? That test right here will tell you FOR SURE if your woofers are blown in some way.

    Also, do the woofer speakers in your center channel push in easily? I asked this before, didn't I?
    Tony M wrote: »
    Have you hooked the center channel speaker up to a main left or right output speaker wire yet? That test right here will tell you FOR SURE if your woofers are blown in some way.

    Also, do the woofer speakers in your center channel push in easily? I asked this before, didn't I?

    Yes I have. Wasn’t really any different than when plugged into the center. Perhaps only very slightly louder in volume, but probably due to it being a different channel. Still lacked all punch.

    The woofers can push in. How easily? I don’t know. Since I don’t know where the reference of “easy” should be. But they do push in.

    I also want to point out that one woofer is clearly louder than the other.
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 10,242
    Tony M wrote: »
    Have you hooked the center channel speaker up to a main left or right output speaker wire yet? That test right here will tell you FOR SURE if your woofers are blown in some way.

    Also, do the woofer speakers in your center channel push in easily? I asked this before, didn't I?
    Tony M wrote: »
    Have you hooked the center channel speaker up to a main left or right output speaker wire yet? That test right here will tell you FOR SURE if your woofers are blown in some way.

    Also, do the woofer speakers in your center channel push in easily? I asked this before, didn't I?

    Yes I have. Wasn’t really any different than when plugged into the center. Perhaps only very slightly louder in volume, but probably due to it being a different channel. Still lacked all punch.

    The woofers can push in. How easily? I don’t know. Since I don’t know where the reference of “easy” should be. But they do push in.

    I also want to point out that one woofer is clearly louder than the other.

    That might be to negate comb filtering in the MTM design
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,610
    edited August 15
    Wow, what a problem. Blown woofers with low volume usually don't move at all.

    Well thanks for responding to my idea thoughts.

    Have you hooked up a surround channel speaker to the center channel speaker wire from the receiver?

    Next, I would take each woofer out of that center and hook that woofer to another speaker wire at low to med. volume to see what happens with that. That would be the LAST thing to do to see IF THE WOOFERS are truly the problem.

    I've never heard of woofers blowing before tweeters but I'm only 61 now. I still have a lot to learn. ;)
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
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