LSiM 705 have arrived

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,229
    Ah, I see what you mean now. Thanks for the clarification! :)
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  • shsshs Posts: 11
    edited July 31
    As to the original 705 that I needed to replace, there was very obvious harmonic distortion coming from the mid-bass driver that would stop if you touched it. See attached jpgs for the good right and bad left 705s. Polk replaced the driver, but the distortion was still there. Polk decided that it was likely a leak in the mid-bass driver compartment that spoiled the acoustic suspension loading of the driver, hence allowing it to move outside of its linear range. Polk chose to replace the whole speaker, which I greatly appreciated. e9qlhc7kxsy6.jpg
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    SONY VPL-VW385ES, Da-Lite 92" 0.9 HD progressive 16x9 screen, Apple TV 4K, Oppo UDP 203, Anthem AVM 60, D-Sonic 4000 (800x3, 400x4) for bed layer, 2 Crown XLS 1002 (225x4) for Atmos; Speakers: Polk LSiM 705s, 703 front, 4 702F/X surround, 4 Polk TL3 (Atmos), Velodyne DD15 Subwoofer.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,229
    Excuse my ignorance, which graph is for which speaker?
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  • shsshs Posts: 11
    The top graph is the "bad" left speaker and with a ~250 Hz signal, you can see the harmonics at 500 and 750 Hz are only 20-30 dB down and there is lots of hash at higher frequencies. With the "good" right speaker, bottom, you don't see any obvious harmonics. This was all done with my phone and used to show Polk the nature of the distortions.
    SONY VPL-VW385ES, Da-Lite 92" 0.9 HD progressive 16x9 screen, Apple TV 4K, Oppo UDP 203, Anthem AVM 60, D-Sonic 4000 (800x3, 400x4) for bed layer, 2 Crown XLS 1002 (225x4) for Atmos; Speakers: Polk LSiM 705s, 703 front, 4 702F/X surround, 4 Polk TL3 (Atmos), Velodyne DD15 Subwoofer.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,229
    Thanks again for the clarification, I sincerely appreciate it.

    What did that distortion sound like when you were playing music? Was it obvious?
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  • shsshs Posts: 11
    The answer to your last question is, yes and no. With music, it depends and only happened when there was fairly strong content in the mid-bass frequency range. Also, this type of harmonic distortion is often done on purpose, e.g. “fuzz” with electric guitars, and in the colloquial, sort of sounds like farting. When I first heard it watching TV, I wasn’t sure whether it was part of the soundtrack, e.g intentional fuzz, or a problem with the speaker. However, I was hearing it more than I thought I should, so checked with a frequency sweep, and it was very obvious as distortion when played through the left channel but not the right. The fact that I could stop the distortion by lightly touching the driver’s surround told me that the mid-bass driver was being driven outside its linear range. I snapped an FFT analysis to get some idea as to the magnitude of the distortion, as can be seen above.
    SONY VPL-VW385ES, Da-Lite 92" 0.9 HD progressive 16x9 screen, Apple TV 4K, Oppo UDP 203, Anthem AVM 60, D-Sonic 4000 (800x3, 400x4) for bed layer, 2 Crown XLS 1002 (225x4) for Atmos; Speakers: Polk LSiM 705s, 703 front, 4 702F/X surround, 4 Polk TL3 (Atmos), Velodyne DD15 Subwoofer.
  • halohalo Posts: 4,186
    shs wrote: »
    The answer to your last question is, yes and no. With music, it depends and only happened when there was fairly strong content in the mid-bass frequency range. Also, this type of harmonic distortion is often done on purpose, e.g. “fuzz” with electric guitars, and in the colloquial, sort of sounds like farting. When I first heard it watching TV, I wasn’t sure whether it was part of the soundtrack, e.g intentional fuzz, or a problem with the speaker. However, I was hearing it more than I thought I should, so checked with a frequency sweep, and it was very obvious as distortion when played through the left channel but not the right. The fact that I could stop the distortion by lightly touching the driver’s surround told me that the mid-bass driver was being driven outside its linear range. I snapped an FFT analysis to get some idea as to the magnitude of the distortion, as can be seen above.

    Great job on recognizing and diagnosing the issue!

    Now I have to be über diligent when listening for any issues.

    Thank you for posting this information.
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 266
    In my opinion, the mid bass driver (which I have already replaced one in my 705’s) are the weak links of these speakers. Otherwise very stellar.
    TV - Sony XBR 75X900E
    Amps - Marantz SR5003 , 2 x Linn Lk240’s , NAD 2400 THX, Denon 1804
    Speakers - POlk Lsim705’s ,Totem Acoustic Rainmaker's, Sonus Faber Piccolo, Definitive Technology SM350's , Sonos Play 5, 2 play 1's, Mirage Oasis MKii's
    Subwoofers - SVS SB16 Ultra, Jamo D4SUB
    Sources - Denon 2910, Sony CDP-CX355, JVC XM448BK, Sonos Connect,
    Vinyl - Project Debut III, Nagaoka MP-110, Cambridge Audio Solo, Okki Nokki RCM
    Cables - Zu Audio power cables, AudioQuest Type 4 speaker cables, Linn Interconnects
  • halohalo Posts: 4,186
    joecoulson wrote: »
    In my opinion, the mid bass driver (which I have already replaced one in my 705’s) are the weak links of these speakers. Otherwise very stellar.

    Hmmm. Design flaw?
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 266
    Not sure. They seem to move more than the subwoofers when driven hard. Could be a design flaw in the power distribution between the drivers but I’m not sure.
    TV - Sony XBR 75X900E
    Amps - Marantz SR5003 , 2 x Linn Lk240’s , NAD 2400 THX, Denon 1804
    Speakers - POlk Lsim705’s ,Totem Acoustic Rainmaker's, Sonus Faber Piccolo, Definitive Technology SM350's , Sonos Play 5, 2 play 1's, Mirage Oasis MKii's
    Subwoofers - SVS SB16 Ultra, Jamo D4SUB
    Sources - Denon 2910, Sony CDP-CX355, JVC XM448BK, Sonos Connect,
    Vinyl - Project Debut III, Nagaoka MP-110, Cambridge Audio Solo, Okki Nokki RCM
    Cables - Zu Audio power cables, AudioQuest Type 4 speaker cables, Linn Interconnects
  • halohalo Posts: 4,186
    Ok. I don’t drive them that hard. Even when I played the soundtrack to Blade Runner 2049 the only drivers visibly moving were the Cassini woofers / subs
  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 6,838
    halo wrote: »
    I don’t drive them that hard.

    Crank 'em up to 11..... B)
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  • DaveHoDaveHo Posts: 1,871
    Crossover to the cassinis is too low IMHO. That said, they sound spectacular withn the limits.
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 266
    DaveHo wrote: »
    Crossover to the cassinis is too low IMHO. That said, they sound spectacular withn the limits.
    I agree
    TV - Sony XBR 75X900E
    Amps - Marantz SR5003 , 2 x Linn Lk240’s , NAD 2400 THX, Denon 1804
    Speakers - POlk Lsim705’s ,Totem Acoustic Rainmaker's, Sonus Faber Piccolo, Definitive Technology SM350's , Sonos Play 5, 2 play 1's, Mirage Oasis MKii's
    Subwoofers - SVS SB16 Ultra, Jamo D4SUB
    Sources - Denon 2910, Sony CDP-CX355, JVC XM448BK, Sonos Connect,
    Vinyl - Project Debut III, Nagaoka MP-110, Cambridge Audio Solo, Okki Nokki RCM
    Cables - Zu Audio power cables, AudioQuest Type 4 speaker cables, Linn Interconnects
  • halohalo Posts: 4,186
    DaveHo wrote: »
    Crossover to the cassinis is too low IMHO. That said, they sound spectacular withn the limits.
    joecoulson wrote: »
    I agree

    Would’ve been nice to know this before I bought them :#
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 266
    Not saying I don’t love them, I do. But even great products have their flaws. You will not regret buying them.
    TV - Sony XBR 75X900E
    Amps - Marantz SR5003 , 2 x Linn Lk240’s , NAD 2400 THX, Denon 1804
    Speakers - POlk Lsim705’s ,Totem Acoustic Rainmaker's, Sonus Faber Piccolo, Definitive Technology SM350's , Sonos Play 5, 2 play 1's, Mirage Oasis MKii's
    Subwoofers - SVS SB16 Ultra, Jamo D4SUB
    Sources - Denon 2910, Sony CDP-CX355, JVC XM448BK, Sonos Connect,
    Vinyl - Project Debut III, Nagaoka MP-110, Cambridge Audio Solo, Okki Nokki RCM
    Cables - Zu Audio power cables, AudioQuest Type 4 speaker cables, Linn Interconnects
  • DaveHoDaveHo Posts: 1,871
    While they are not SPL monsters, you don't need to baby them. I have never bottomed out the mid-woof. That said, when running them full range, the 5 1/4 driver really moves. Play Pink Floyd, Mother & crank it up some. You'll see what I mean.
  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 9,780
    Agree with Dave ^^^^ above

    Right after the 705's were born and Russman still was a Polk rep we jammed these babies at LSAF for their debut...and you know how we do it at LSAF ;) B)

    From 12watts to 200+ watt amps these babies can play....do a search here on the forum :)
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  • halohalo Posts: 4,186
    DaveHo wrote: »
    While they are not SPL monsters, you don't need to baby them. I have never bottomed out the mid-woof. That said, when running them full range, the 5 1/4 driver really moves. Play Pink Floyd, Mother & crank it up some. You'll see what I mean.

    Performed this "test" with no major cone movement visible. This is probably because I live in an apartment & the "loudest" listening levels I get to here aren't very loud (perhaps by forum standards?). lol.
  • shsshs Posts: 11
    edited August 1
    The 705s certainly play loud enough for my purposes, and I live in a large house some distance from the neighbors with a dedicated home theater. Let's see if my signature block now has info. Tried several times, but no luck.
    SONY VPL-VW385ES, Da-Lite 92" 0.9 HD progressive 16x9 screen, Apple TV 4K, Oppo UDP 203, Anthem AVM 60, D-Sonic 4000 (800x3, 400x4) for bed layer, 2 Crown XLS 1002 (225x4) for Atmos; Speakers: Polk LSiM 705s, 703 front, 4 702F/X surround, 4 Polk TL3 (Atmos), Velodyne DD15 Subwoofer.
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