A Saga for you Sch!!t-heads

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,724
    Thanks for your insight, sounds like you're right on the money. If they designed it as a buffer to simply aid in long cable runs, they they probably didn't want to add any colorization/distortion. Seems like they achieved their design goal.

    I don't have any issues regarding it's sonic performance, nor am I detecting any obvious shortcomings. I think anyone with a critical ear who values transparency and clarity would enjoy the Schiit Saga.

    The only "disappointment" might be for someone like myself who was looking for an introduction into what tubes have to offer. It's not going to give you that "lush, three dimensional, airy, warm, etc" tube sound.

    However, there's nothing wrong with it being a very nice passive analog solid state preamp, with a clean implementation of a tube buffer.
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Those results suggest that the active circuit in the Saga is in fact operating as a buffer, which is impressive, actually. If so, there are certainly cases in which it could improve performance, but only if there were a substantial impedance mismatch between source and load.

    The ol' rule of thumb (which is no more, nor less, than just that). Input impedance of the load should be at least ten times the output impedance of the source.
    https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/46948/the-10x-rule-for-impedance-bridging

    EDIT: A proper buffer should be inaudible (except in cases where it improves the ability of the source to drive the load). Those little Asian-sourced "tube buffers", AFAIK, are typically designed to add a little color rather than to operate as proper buffers. I'll avoid further editorial content ;)

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,724
    Came across an interesting review of the Schiit Saga on the Audigon forums. Paragraph breaks added by me for readability.

    audioman74
    1 posts
    06-01-2018 10:19pm

    I own the Saga and it's awesome. I am so happy with it that I sold my $1700 tube preamp and this little $349.00 single tube preamp now is in my main system, in front of an Odyssey Khartago SE+++ solid state power amp. The first thing one usually notices with the Saga is just how transparent it sounds and how the tube circuit breathes life into the soundstage.

    I have been an audiophile for nearly 45 years, have owned preamps over 10x the cost (1980's dollars) of the Saga and I just love how this thing sounds, with the tube in the circuit. I also love how Schiit executes the relay-switched stepped attenuator volume control and that it has two pre out RCA jacks, so at night, I just power down the power amp and turn on my headphone amp and run the Saga (with tube circuit) into the headphone amp (Schiit Lyr 2 tube amp), controlling volume with the Saga's remote.

    My only two nitpicks with the Saga is I wish the volume had the 128 step volume control instead of the 64 step one and if one of the preouts was on/off switch controlled so I could just keep the Odyssey powered up 24/7. That said, just buy a Saga and save yourself $350. The Saga is, IMHO, probably the best. Price/Performance piece of audio gear I have had the pleasure to own!
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,724
    More commentary about the Saga found online:

    "Just a word or two about the Saga's sound for those who haven't heard one or can't listen to one in person:

    If you value transparency overall more than anything else in a preamp, then you'll love the Saga.

    On the other hand, if you're expecting some type of "ooey gooey magical sound" from the tube in the Saga, then you're probably going to be pretty disappointed with the Saga and should probably look elsewhere for that so-called "magical" or "euphonic" sound.

    To my ears the Saga's sound is virtually indistinguishable whether you're listening to it in the active or passive mode.

    That's how transparent the Saga's tube buffer is."

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  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,621
    I'm going to attempt to put together a Bottlehead Quickie here in the next couple months. I'll let you know how it sounds, I've heard it is a great intro to tubes on a budget.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 19,056
    edited September 20
    They sound pretty good -- there (edit) may be some issues with microphonics from the 3S4s, but them suckas is so cheap that one may buy a passel of 'em and find some quiet ones for chump change.

    Full disclosure: there may be some other factor (depending on the input impedance of one's power amplifier) that exacerbates the above-mentioned "issue". This is strictly an empirical observation. A hifi colleague here in New England built one, had issues with reverb-type microphonics with his amplifier (not that I recall what it was/is), but we heard essentially none when we put it on my "simple 2A3" amplifier.

    Only 6 dB of gain (better'n nothing, though). There's one sittin' in my basement, waitin, for me to build it -- if you can imagine such a thing! :p
  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,621
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    They sound pretty good -- there (edit) may be some issues with microphonics from the 3S4s, but them suckas is so cheap that one may buy a passel of 'em and find some quiet ones for chump change.

    Full disclosure: there may be some other factor (depending on the input impedance of one's power amplifier) that exacerbates the above-mentioned "issue". This is strictly an empirical observation. A hifi colleague here in New England built one, had issues with reverb-type microphonics with his amplifier (not that I recall what it was/is), but we heard essentially none when we put it on my "simple 2A3" amplifier.

    Only 6 dB of gain (better'n nothing, though). There's one sittin' in my basement, waitin, for me to build it -- if you can imagine such a thing! :p

    Now look at what you've done Doc! I'm actually researching because of you. I find I have to turn my Denon preamp up to a good 2oclock before the SDAs really open up and that's with the 17(ish)db gain of my Denon pre. Doesn't sound like it would be a good match for my set up. Oh well, off to look at other options.
    Living room

    Mains: Paradigm 90P
    Lows: Velodyne CHT12, Pioneer SW-8Mk2
    Power: Marantz SR7000
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' Curved 4k

    2 Channel Den

    Mains: SDA2B Upgraded XOs and Binding Posts
    Pre: Denon PRA-1200
    Power: Adcom GFA-545
    TT: Pioneer PL510
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' 4K

    Noggin Rockin'

    Phillips L2
    Grado SE80
    Harman Kardon CL
    Little dot 1+/GE JAN 5654w

    Closet of Dreams:

    Harman Kardon AVR130
    Yamaha HTR5590
    Polk RTA11TL
    Polk TSI200s
    New Large Advents 25th Anniversary Edition
    Bravo V2/RCA Clear top Conn branded 12AU7
    Yamaha AV-34

    "Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
    " I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
    "Just because the thread is getting views don't mean much .. I like a good train wreck doesn't mean i want to be in one..." - pitdogg2
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  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,283
    Now look at what you've done Doc!
    :p


  • CoolJazzCoolJazz Posts: 510
    Clipdat wrote: »

    It turns out the web is full of nuts and then just a few really smart folks. You've located one of those two.

    CJ
    A so called science type proudly says... "I do realize that I would fool myself all the time, about listening conclusions and many other observations, if I did listen before buying. That’s why I don’t, I bought all of my current gear based on technical parameters alone, such as specs and measurements."
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,724
    CoolJazz wrote: »
    It turns out the web is full of nuts and then just a few really smart folks. You've located one of those two.

    CJ

    Care to expand?
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  • ken brydsonken brydson Posts: 7,145
    Clipdat wrote: »
    CoolJazz wrote: »
    It turns out the web is full of nuts and then just a few really smart folks. You've located one of those two.

    CJ

    Care to expand?

    His nuts?
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    Office Rig- Marantz 2252B, Denon 2910, Kenwood KD2070 TT, Polk RTA 12B's/ RTA8t
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,724
    His nuts?

    His statement in general. I wasn't really sure what he was inferring or trying to get at.
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  • stuweestuwee Posts: 1,534
    1960's vintage. These are sooooo cool. I got these from a guy who actually found them in a warehouse in Brazil... in the jungle. When I opened the musty boxes, I felt so much like Nikita Kruschev I almost started pounding my shoe on the table!

    :D , drop mic statement, +++, insightful, conjuring visions of bliss. Freakin' funny as well.
    Thorens TD125MKII, SME3009,Shure V15/ Teac V-8000S, Denon DN-790R cass, Teac 3340 RtR decks, Onix CD2...Sumo Electra Plus pre>SAE A1001 amp>Martin Logan Summit's
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