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  • Toolfan66Toolfan66 Posts: 13,829
    It was/is worth more than $20 IMO!!!

    Nice score!!!
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,440
    Very nice score, looks like real wood too
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva BasX-A300
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
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    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
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    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,509
    You did well for $20!
    oldrocker wrote: »
    She was smiling when I left <3 which is all that matters.

    Got Dayens?
  • minerminer Posts: 1,084
    Donald Fagan was a Floyd Cramer fan and influenced by his playing style - you can tell that by listening to "Sign in Stranger".
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,753
    edited February 28
    miner wrote: »
    Donald Fagan was a Floyd Cramer fan and influenced by his playing style - you can tell that by listening to "Sign in Stranger".

    Interesting -- hadn't thought about that.

    Cramer's style was certainly unique -- didn't folks call it "crying piano" or "weeping piano" or something like that?

    I am a fan; I have my parents' copy of his album Last Date still :)
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,090
    Here is one of my favorite Floyd Cramer contributions to an Elvis Presley song. "I'm Coming Home" (1961)

  • oldrockeroldrocker Posts: 1,853
    Philco 46-1213.

    Approx. 71 yrs old, power cord shot, finish is rough.

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  • oldrockeroldrocker Posts: 1,853
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    Tubes
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,753
    edited April 6
    Field coil speaker driver, too.
    Probably a darned nice radio with some TLC.
    Note that it has the "modern" FM band (88 to 108 MHz, umm I mean MC).

    Loktal tubes (except for the outputs, which are 6V6, and the HV rectifier, which is a 5U4 -- oh, and a 6SQ7).
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • oldrockeroldrocker Posts: 1,853
    As usual, I have no clue what I bought but for the few bucks I paid, I was thinking maybe I could at least pull the amp for another something.

    Cabinet might go to friends who does great finish work.

    Any idea what the green clamp like thing to the left of the TT is for?
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,753
    The record player is a 78 rpm changer. That's a record support, not unlike the one used on the classic (for lack of a better word) Garrard Type A.

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    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • verbverb Posts: 2,968
    Nice find @oldrocker ! I have a Philco 41-290 recently restored. I found the following site very helpful during my restoration:
    http://www.philcoradio.com/phorum/
    Have fun!
    Basement: Polk SDA 1C's, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, Rotel 1580 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Carver TX8 Tuner, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Cables
    Office: PC, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,753
    The amp may be useful for other things, but that usefulness may be limited -- or may require a little resourcefulness on your part.

    The speaker driver is electrodynamic -- instead of a permanent magnet speaker (as we've grown used to in most loudspeakers) this radio used an electromagnet motor for the speaker driver. This isn't a problem per se, but it may be a complication. It was pretty common for radio manufacturers to kill two birds with one stone and use the DC "electromagnet" (coil) as a choke (smoothing filter, analogous to a capacitor) in the high voltage power supply. You'll notice a four prong plug on the umbilicus from the amp to the speaker. Two pins are the signal, the other two are high voltage DC from the power supply to energize the electromagnetic coil in the speaker driver.

    You may need to add a choke of appropriate value into the amp's power supply -- to replace the speaker's electromagnet if you want to use a PM speaker.
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,753
    Interestingly, the radio apparently doesn't use the "modern" standard 10,7 MHz IF frequency for FM -- if I interpret the datasheet correctly, it's 9.1 MHz. That shouldn't be a problem... but it's certainly a little different. :)

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    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,753
    FWIW, this is how the Garrard stacks -- this Philco will be similar (10 inch 78s only, I reckon, though).

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    source: https://www.vinylengine.com/library/garrard/rc884.shtml
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • oldrockeroldrocker Posts: 1,853
    As always, excellent info guys...Thanks.

    There was also a KLH model TT at the sale, it said Garrard on it. I didn't buy it.

    Truth be told I only bought it because of the tubes and I liked the way the turntable cabinet door opened.

    I have been giving it some thought to just pull the TT and put a different one in if that's even possible.

    V- just looked at some pics of the 41-290, those look awfully cool.
  • verbverb Posts: 2,968
    Thanks Rocker! I had the chassis completely refurbished at a local repair shop. My field coil speaker was in good shape, so no issue there. I did, ahem, have the shop add a bluetooth receiver to it! :smiley: Lot's of old time radio programs can be streamed nowadays. Love it!
    Basement: Polk SDA 1C's, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, Rotel 1580 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Carver TX8 Tuner, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Cables
    Office: PC, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • oldrockeroldrocker Posts: 1,853
    The speaker cone on this one looks good, still dusty & dirty but no dry rot I can see.

    I was surprised that the felt on the platter was also still intact.

    V-with your permission of course, I'd like to send you a few pm questions if I may?
  • verbverb Posts: 2,968
    Of course! Anytime!
    Basement: Polk SDA 1C's, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, Rotel 1580 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Carver TX8 Tuner, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Cables
    Office: PC, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,753
    Just to be very, very clear: there is nothing wrong a priori with field coil drivers. In fact, the best of them may be the best possible dynamic drivers, period.

    This system, e.g., is all field coil.

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    ... and of course, the DC power supplies for the field coils are all vacuum tube. You can see two of them in the background in this photo. :p

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    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,753
    oldrocker wrote: »
    As always, excellent info guys...Thanks.

    There was also a KLH model TT at the sale, it said Garrard on it. I didn't buy it.

    Truth be told I only bought it because of the tubes and I liked the way the turntable cabinet door opened.

    I have been giving it some thought to just pull the TT and put a different one in if that's even possible.

    V- just looked at some pics of the 41-290, those look awfully cool.

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    Well -- it could be done, although it wouldn't be quite trivial.
    The cartridge in that phonograph is probably crystal, with output akin to (maybe even greater than) line level. The input (mono!) on the amplifier would probably have no EQ (the cartridge is 'self-equalizing', so to speak) -- and, of course, the 78 rpm disks weren't EQ'd to the RIAA standard we use now (and which came along in the 1950s, some time after the introduction of 12" vinyl 33-1/3 rpm LP records).

    You'd need a phono preamp and a mono cartridge in the tt, and/or a way to get mono output from the preamp.

    But the output of the preamp may be OK as is to feed the phono input of the amplifier.

    May be.

    :)

    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • oldrockeroldrocker Posts: 1,853
    Cool.

    Not sure what I will do with it, sadly you are right, only plays 10' at 78.
    Thinking about pulling out the TT and putting another one in it's place.
    Did watch a video showing how an album drops, that was neat.
    Arm on this thing weighs a ton.

    Probably better served to give this tube console thing a rest.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,753
    oldrocker wrote: »
    Cool.

    Not sure what I will do with it, sadly you are right, only plays 10' at 78.
    Thinking about pulling out the TT and putting another one in it's place.
    Did watch a video showing how an album drops, that was neat.
    Arm on this thing weighs a ton.

    Probably better served to give this tube console thing a rest.

    well -- it depends on your end goals (if any).

    What you have there is a very, very nice old console radio. Well worthy of rescue/restoration, I'd say. It can be a nice piece; even maybe a centerpiece in a family room (maybe even the right kind of living room). But not really for hifi. That doesn't mean it won't sound good (it probably will)... but not for serious, sit down and listen to it hifi.

    This being said, there are absolutely consoles that are capable of good hifi (stereo) reproduction -- and they're not even necessarily expensive (although the best, of course, are -- like anything else).

    "Chance favors the prepared mind", as L. Pasteur said... if that's what you want, keep your eyes peeled at yard sales, barn sales, etc., etc.

    The "bones" in many of the 1950s and 1960s consoles from brands like Zenith, Motorola, and Magnavox were, and are, good, and quite capable of "hifi" as we would recognize it. They need some TLC, and generally also benefit from better loudspeakers than their makers endowed them with -- but, again, the bones are there.
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • oldrockeroldrocker Posts: 1,853
    Probably better just stick to getting the exterior done for now.

    Once again, THANKS for the info everyone :)
  • verbverb Posts: 2,968
    oldrocker wrote: »
    Cool.

    Not sure what I will do with it, sadly you are right, only plays 10' at 78.
    Thinking about pulling out the TT and putting another one in it's place.
    Did watch a video showing how an album drops, that was neat.
    Arm on this thing weighs a ton.

    Probably better served to give this tube console thing a rest.

    Do it! Professor @mhardy6647 will assist every step of the way! :smiley:
    Basement: Polk SDA 1C's, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, Rotel 1580 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Carver TX8 Tuner, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Cables
    Office: PC, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
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