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  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 2,985
    kharp1 wrote: »
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    Looking at this one with, a special order with an added shelf. I like the ability to put pieces side by side. Three shelves might be enough, but, I'd rather pay for an extra shelf now and not need it then need it and not have the ability to add one.

    I looked at the VTI pieces as well. They make a wide unit labeled a TV stand, but, it's not tall enough. There is an 1/8 inch difference between the audio rack poles and the TV racks, which really sux. Was going to buy one of each and blend them together. I even emailed VTI and they were quick to get back with me letting me know they definitely wouldn't match.

    If all I needed was a good basic audio rack I'd hit Doug up for one of the VTI's.

    here's one that's on sale for you.
    https://www.audiogon.com/listings/stands-double-width-6-shelf-isolation-rack-2018-01-16-accessories
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    edited January 25
    Aside from the spikes on each shelf/section looking cool, what is the real world and/or functional difference between having them or not?

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  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,341
    They have pretty good prices, but, if you decide to go with VTI I would still reach out to Doug and see what he can do for you.
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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,367
    edited January 25
    Go for the VTI shelves. Make payments if you have to. i think you'll be happier seeing how you've gone tubular and mono blocks.

    1st class affordable shelving for 1st class audio components. ;)

    You can't quickly change shelving without the spikes. :(

    You have 12 quick ways to configure the spiked one I think. B)
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • vmaxervmaxer Posts: 4,203
    Clipdat wrote: »
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    vmaxer wrote: »
    I’ll sell you a full set of 4 for $9.99, well worth it.

    Sorry, cash and carry.......plus shipping of course. B)
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    edited January 25
    I dont't foresee having to change the shelving configuration very often. But if there is another reason for spikes on each section such as better isolation/vibration reduction, then I'd be attracted to that.

    Even with an additional shelf, the VTI is still cheaper than the SolidSteel, so there's that.
    Tony M wrote: »
    Go for the VTI shelves. Make payments if you have to. i think you'll be happier seeing how you've gone tubular and mono blocks.

    1st class affordable shelving for 1st class audio components. ;)

    You can't quickly change shelving without the spikes. :(

    You have 12 quick ways to configure the spiked one I think. B)

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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,367
    I think the spikes do support the theory of isolation of vibrations getting transferred. ;)
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • halohalo Posts: 4,024
    VTI racks are very solid. You can fill them with lead shot to further dampen the rack as long as you use silicone sealant on the small holes. You have more color options and combinations with the VTI racks as well. Winner winner chicken dinner!
  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 6,740
    edited January 26
    My last VTI rack I used pipe insulation in the tubes. One time I had a cap pop off and had lead shot everywhere on the hardwood floor. With the insulation method, you can also take some plastic pipe cut to correct length, cap one end, fill them with oil or shot and cap the other end to further deaden/add weight. You can apply some strips of sound deadener to the cross braces.

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    With the VTI racks, what is each shelf sitting on? It's not clear to me how the individual shelves are supported.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 39,626
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Aside from the spikes on each shelf/section looking cool, what is the real world and/or functional difference between having them or not?

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    The spikes are for isolation/vibration control.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    Thanks Jesse. I'm leaning toward the VTI, just want to make sure I'm making a wise choice.
    F1nut wrote: »
    The spikes are for isolation/vibration control.

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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 39,626
    edited January 26
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    Very nice, but very expensive!
    F1nut wrote: »

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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 39,626
    Indeed. Just thought you'd like a look to see what features they have verses what you are looking at to give me a better idea of what is what.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 39,626
    edited January 26
    Here's another, over engineered to the Nth degree.

    http://www.audiofast.com/main.asp?idm=73&ids=397&r=0&wersja=1
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 9,956
    I love my solid maple rack from Mapleshade. It weighs 500 lbs empty, and is vibration free regardless of the SPL. You can create your own custom design to fit your need.

    http://www.mapleshadestore.com/samsonracks.php

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    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    Nice. Their stuff is gorgeous and relatively reasonably priced.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    It's interesting how each company seems to have their own approach for what they think is the best way to support the shelf. For example, Adona seems to like this way:

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    I wonder if any one particular way is dramatically better than another, in terms of stability.
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  • soundfreak1soundfreak1 Posts: 2,821
    The only issue (it seems) none of the manufacturers deal with is standing waves. Don't really know if anything can be done about those. But the points do seem to isolate the Shelf completely as opposed to having the Shelf attached to the supports.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    I wonder at which point vibrations from the speakers even come into play. BlueFox mentioned high SPLs. Even when I listen at what I perceive as louder volumes, I can't feel any resonance of vibration leaving my 703s at all, the cabinets themselves and what they are sitting on isn't resonating at all.

    My current rack is just physically wobbly from side to side, so I think most of the vibrations it's dealing with would be from me or my wife walking past it or her dancing to a song that she likes when in close proximity to it.
    The only issue (it seems) none of the manufacturers deal with is standing waves. Don't really know if anything can be done about those. But the points do seem to isolate the Shelf completely as opposed to having the Shelf attached to the supports.

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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 5,367
    I had a TT on a wobbly table and had rumble feedback BAD. Some guys and or gal told me to get a solid table asap. The new solid table eliminated the rumble. I think the SDA-SRS2's were vibrating that table with low soundwaves.
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    Oh yeah I see the advantage for TT for sure. My current rack is nowhere near up to the task of supporting a TT.

    So that's one benefit of getting a new one, a TT in the bedroom. Win-Win.
    Tony M wrote: »
    I had a TT on a wobbly table and had rumble feedback BAD. Some guys and or gal told me to get a solid table asap. The new solid table eliminated the rumble. I think the SDA-SRS2's were vibrating that table with low soundwaves.

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    Looks cool!
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 9,956
    Clipdat wrote: »
    I wonder at which point vibrations from the speakers even come into play.

    The vibrations on the equipment rack, and on the equipment, come from the speaker sound waves hitting them. Gear is susceptible to the tiniest vibrations, and those vibrations alter the sound. That is why in addition to having a solid, vibration resistant rack, the gear should also be on some type of vibration draining footer. I use Mapleshade Micropoint Brass footers, but there are other vendors and types.

    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    Thanks for the insight. You might have better ears than I do. I don't know if I'd be able to discern/detect a sound wave's vibration/impact on the equipment and the associated negative sound quality.
    BlueFox wrote: »
    The vibrations on the equipment rack, and on the equipment, come from the speaker sound waves hitting them. Gear is susceptible to the tiniest vibrations, and those vibrations alter the sound. That is why in addition to having a solid, vibration resistant rack, the gear should also be on some type of vibration draining footer. I use Mapleshade Micropoint Brass footers, but there are other vendors and types.

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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 39,626
    It's all about lowering the noise floor, which is something one doesn't notice until it is lowered.
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 14,511
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Thanks for the insight. You might have better ears than I do. I don't know if I'd be able to discern/detect a sound wave's vibration/impact on the equipment and the associated negative sound quality.
    BlueFox wrote: »
    The vibrations on the equipment rack, and on the equipment, come from the speaker sound waves hitting them. Gear is susceptible to the tiniest vibrations, and those vibrations alter the sound. That is why in addition to having a solid, vibration resistant rack, the gear should also be on some type of vibration draining footer. I use Mapleshade Micropoint Brass footers, but there are other vendors and types.

    Don't ever say that again please. You can hear a difference... everyone can. If your system was at his level those details can greatly alter the sound. You would be intimately familiar with the sound and pick up on it quickly.

    I'm not being mean but that type of thinking is deadly to growth in this hobby. It represents a closed mind in a way.
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