AudioQuest Cable Theory and Cable Designs

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  • UpstatemaxUpstatemax Posts: 2,213
    msg wrote: »
    Good info. Sounds like you don't have those cables anymore. I imagine the connectors were fully heatshrinked and it's not/wasn't possible to see what was done inside the connector? I'm just noticing that it seems like most of AQ's more refined cable offerings use solid core conductors? This may be common knowledge to most of you, but I've not had any AQ nor solid core cable before.

    They are still in service!

    My father ended up with a 24 foot pair of Rocket series cables that he had nothing to do with. So he asked me what the heck to do with them. I contacted AudioQuest and they made it really easy to send them in and get them chopped up into 3 pair of cables (10', 8' and 6')

    He has the 10' and 6' pair, I took the 8' pair as my "service fee".

    But yes, they came in shrunk wrapped and sealed up.
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  • msg wrote: »
    I recently upgraded my cable from Kimber 4pr to 8tc on my front three, immediate improvement in detail and clarity.
    Interesting design there on the 8tc
    Are you running full-range or bi-wire sets?

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  • delkaldelkal Posts: 216
    edited December 2017
    msg wrote: »
    One of the things I saw in my reading was a diagram in one of AQ's documents that I thought was an error at first, but tagged to come back and review. Notice the arrangement of the primary conductors? Diagonal Wiring
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    This morning, I noticed that one of DK's old posts resurfaced, where he details an experiment in the curiosity of diagonal wiring:
    Diagonal Wiring Experiments With The SDA SRS 1.2TL

    Now that I realize the AQ diagram wasn't an error, and after seeing DK's post, I'm really curious now about some of this cable theory, and I'm going to try to properly re-terminate these AQ cables and play around with this bi-wiring/diagonal connection idea in the process.

    I know there is a lot of voodo with speaker wires and interconnects but I don't see how this diagonal wiring would make any difference electronically. Assuming the jumper has zero resistance (I doubt you can measure it) the voltages/current to each positive and negative terminal is identical. Try drawing a schematic. Never heard where it depends where you hook something to the ground. Its not like the electrons care.

    I wonder how they figured this out. According to some it makes a difference but I guarantee they didn't ask an electrical engineer.

  • msgmsg Posts: 4,042
    edited December 2017
    There's a lot of information referenced in my original post.
    Have you read it all? I haven't yet.

    I acknowledge that there's some measure of voodoo in audio sometimes, generally speaking. Even if I'm unable to pick it out a performance difference for myself, I'd be open to having it demonstrated and pointed out to me; learning. I'm intrigued now by the science aspect in these theories, and most of this goes beyond simple measurements of signal path resistance with a multimeter.

    One of the theories I'm exploring is, as I understand it, essentially feeding the components that can benefit from a clean signal first, then give the "leftovers" to those not requiring the cleanest signal. For the sake of this discussion, that's treble, and bass, respectively.

    This theory I read about happening across this AQ documentation (I don't think it's "their" exclusive theory) proposes that a signal path carrying bass energy creates EMI due to the high current, which disrupts the signal path for the mid and higher frequencies. I think that's the idea behind diagonal wiring - feed the fragile stuff first. Supposedly even better addressed with bi-wiring or double bi-wiring. I don't have any experience with this, but it's fun to learn about. Factor in something I found in AQ documentation mentioning about how bass definition is carried in higher frequencies, and you can see that getting the cleanest signal to the upper array can be important in refining overall sound quality.

    For the record, a jumper from a pair of LSiM703s measures 0.1Ω resistance (could be less than this, but my meter doesn't get any more sensitive and may be rounding up). It's tiny, sure, but it's not zero, so the assumption that a jumper has zero resistance is incorrect.

    You don't think a company like AQ employs any electrical engineers?
    And you can guarantee that? :)
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 9,831
    Upstatemax wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    They quoted me 376.00 to reterminate the Mammoth cables i had. I did ask for something heavier duty than BFA's as the weight of the cable would of folded those in half.

    Ouch!

    Do you remember what the terminations were?

    I know some of their "higher end" terminations can get pricey.

    Not off hand it's been about 3 yrs. but it was one of their bananas that they felt would be better for that cable.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,057
    I recently upgraded my cable from Kimber 4pr to 8tc on my front three, immediate improvement in detail and clarity.

    The 8TC is a good solid cable, wise choice.
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  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 6,520
    edited January 3
    For what it is worth, my wife bought me a pair of Audioquest Wind interconnect for Christmas. It is a 4m pair, rca.

    It would appear that I need it cut (1m 1.5m 1.5m) and reterminated into xlr.

    Audioquest quoted me 6 pairs of xlr plugs and 2 dbs units. I already have 1 dbs unit. They said they would have to toss the old rca plugs because they are cold welded and cannot reuse them.

    The quote was $680.

    Joey's Gear:
    Current Gear:
    Torus RM15 -> Emm Labs DAC2x and TSDX Transport -> Cary SLP-05 preamp -> Boulder 2060 stereo amp (w/ Audioquest WEL Signature) -> new speakers
    Rotel RA1592 Super Integrated -> Sonus Faber Olympica 3
    Rotel RC1570 preamp -> Rotel RB1582 amp -> Focal Kanta 2

    Old Gear:
    Speakers: BW PM1 (3.5/5), CM10s2 (3.75/5), BW800D3 (5/5), Rockport Aviors (5/5), Sonus Faber Stradivari (5/5), BW 802D2 (4.5/5), Martin Logan Summits (4.25/5), Martin Logan Vantage (4/5), Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor (3.75/5), AV123 Strata Mini (3.5/5), ML Mosaic (3.25/5), Onix Ref1 (3/5), Sonus Faber Concerto (2.75/5), SF Concertino (2.5/5), Axiom M22ti (2/5), Polk LSi9 (3/5), LSi7 (2.9/5)
    Source: Squeezebox 3 -> PS Audio Digital Link III -> Cary 306/200 CDP -> Cary 306 SACD -> EMM LABS DAC2X/TSDX
    Preamplification: Rotel RC1070 -> Rogue Perseus -> Cary SLP98 -> Cary SLP98F1 -> Cary SLP05 (sold and then repurchased)
    Amplification: HK AVR330 -> Rotel RB1070 -> Rotel RB1090 -> Plinius SA102 -> Cary 211FE -> Classe M600 -> Boulder 2060
    Subwoofer: Infinity Entra2 sub -> SVS 25-31PC+ sub
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,057
    Why not just return them and get what you need.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 6,520
    tonyb wrote: »
    Why not just return them and get what you need.

    Because it would cost me $7500 for 3 sets of xlr interconnects at those lengths.

    My wife got it from a guy who wanted to part with the AQ Wind 4m rca for a lot less than the retail for a 4m wind. Retail for a 4m wind is 5000$.

    My wife reportedly purchased it for $950.

    So in the end, I can’t lose.
    Joey's Gear:
    Current Gear:
    Torus RM15 -> Emm Labs DAC2x and TSDX Transport -> Cary SLP-05 preamp -> Boulder 2060 stereo amp (w/ Audioquest WEL Signature) -> new speakers
    Rotel RA1592 Super Integrated -> Sonus Faber Olympica 3
    Rotel RC1570 preamp -> Rotel RB1582 amp -> Focal Kanta 2

    Old Gear:
    Speakers: BW PM1 (3.5/5), CM10s2 (3.75/5), BW800D3 (5/5), Rockport Aviors (5/5), Sonus Faber Stradivari (5/5), BW 802D2 (4.5/5), Martin Logan Summits (4.25/5), Martin Logan Vantage (4/5), Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor (3.75/5), AV123 Strata Mini (3.5/5), ML Mosaic (3.25/5), Onix Ref1 (3/5), Sonus Faber Concerto (2.75/5), SF Concertino (2.5/5), Axiom M22ti (2/5), Polk LSi9 (3/5), LSi7 (2.9/5)
    Source: Squeezebox 3 -> PS Audio Digital Link III -> Cary 306/200 CDP -> Cary 306 SACD -> EMM LABS DAC2X/TSDX
    Preamplification: Rotel RC1070 -> Rogue Perseus -> Cary SLP98 -> Cary SLP98F1 -> Cary SLP05 (sold and then repurchased)
    Amplification: HK AVR330 -> Rotel RB1070 -> Rotel RB1090 -> Plinius SA102 -> Cary 211FE -> Classe M600 -> Boulder 2060
    Subwoofer: Infinity Entra2 sub -> SVS 25-31PC+ sub
  • ptrooperptrooper Posts: 220
    Thats what i call a bargain,,good score
  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 6,520
    ptrooper wrote: »
    Thats what i call a bargain,,good score

    I know, my wife's awesome right? haha
    Joey's Gear:
    Current Gear:
    Torus RM15 -> Emm Labs DAC2x and TSDX Transport -> Cary SLP-05 preamp -> Boulder 2060 stereo amp (w/ Audioquest WEL Signature) -> new speakers
    Rotel RA1592 Super Integrated -> Sonus Faber Olympica 3
    Rotel RC1570 preamp -> Rotel RB1582 amp -> Focal Kanta 2

    Old Gear:
    Speakers: BW PM1 (3.5/5), CM10s2 (3.75/5), BW800D3 (5/5), Rockport Aviors (5/5), Sonus Faber Stradivari (5/5), BW 802D2 (4.5/5), Martin Logan Summits (4.25/5), Martin Logan Vantage (4/5), Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor (3.75/5), AV123 Strata Mini (3.5/5), ML Mosaic (3.25/5), Onix Ref1 (3/5), Sonus Faber Concerto (2.75/5), SF Concertino (2.5/5), Axiom M22ti (2/5), Polk LSi9 (3/5), LSi7 (2.9/5)
    Source: Squeezebox 3 -> PS Audio Digital Link III -> Cary 306/200 CDP -> Cary 306 SACD -> EMM LABS DAC2X/TSDX
    Preamplification: Rotel RC1070 -> Rogue Perseus -> Cary SLP98 -> Cary SLP98F1 -> Cary SLP05 (sold and then repurchased)
    Amplification: HK AVR330 -> Rotel RB1070 -> Rotel RB1090 -> Plinius SA102 -> Cary 211FE -> Classe M600 -> Boulder 2060
    Subwoofer: Infinity Entra2 sub -> SVS 25-31PC+ sub
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,525
    Yeah, what's the story behind that one?

    She responded to an ad on your behalf since you were at work, and sweet talked the guy or what?
    Joey_V wrote: »
    ptrooper wrote: »
    Thats what i call a bargain,,good score

    I know, my wife's awesome right? haha

    Got Dayens?
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