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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,034
    edited November 2017
    Lasareath wrote: »
    I wonder if now would be a good time to invest in popcorn.

    Don't bother, Walking Dead and the New Star Trek tonight. Then most likely I won't check this post again for a few days.

    Might I suggest taking another long sabbatical instead. I forgot how nice it was while you were gone. Thanks for reminding me.

    As an aside... you were a much nicer guy when you weighed 400 pounds.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,034
    Hydrogen mass-transit has already been tried... no thanks.

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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,484
    Lasareath wrote: »

    That is a very funny statement, I'm sorry but us EV guys laugh everytime somebody brings up the Coal Debate.

    Coal is on a decline, The national average in 2014 was 39% and Now it's 30%

    In NJ it's 5%, Some say it's even lower than that.

    My Electricity is under Viridian, It's their Green plan and I calculated it all out and my Car emits 58 grams of CO2e per mile and an Average Gas car emits 381 grams

    http://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/electric-vehicles/ev-emissions-tool#

    What is so funny about it? It doesn't matter if coal is on the decline or not. This does not change the fact that well over 90% of EV's are powered by coal to get charged currently. Do you not agree with this fact?

    How can you compare the two calculations? One is an indirect emmision calculation and one is direct. At least the direct calculation from the gasoline engine is accurate. The calculation for your "green plan" does not take into account all aspects of carbon emissions (and is theoretical, not actual, unlike the gasoline engine).

    Lasareath wrote: »
    Hydrogen cars add another step, You need to get the Hydrogen, The Hydrogen car is an EV. But it gets it's Electric Charge from the fuel stack. It's very inefficient.

    My Driveway has had Electricity since my house was built in 1961. I don't have a Hydrogen Hookup. I bet you don't either but I bet you have Electricity.

    There are 50 refueling stations right now for Hydrogen in the USA.

    Hydrogen can work for cruise ships, Trains, Semi Trucks. But for cars, it's too expensive to get to the Hydrogen to the masses.

    Toyota has been a large supporter of Hydrogen and They hate the EV. But recently Toyota has agreed with Elon Musk that Hydrogen is a waste of time:

    https://electrek.co/2017/10/26/toyota-elon-musk-fuel-cell-hydrogen/

    Well, the hydrogen car uses a different step than the current EV's, by using hydrogen to charge the battery. It does not "add a step". It bypasses coal to charge the battery. That is a fact. Where are all the EV owners railing to get hydrogen cars?

    You don't have a hydrogen hookup because, there are no hydrogen cars. If hydrogen cars came out instead of the current coal sucking EV's, the emissions would be greatly reduced (by getting rid of the need for the use of coal). Why are you EV owners not demanding this?

    It's to expensive to get hydrogen to the masses because there is no demand for hydrogen (again) because there are no hydrogen cars. You are using circular logic here.

    It seems to me there is another agenda here to "dismiss" hydrogen. And, it ain't because "it's a waste of time".
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,484
    Lasareath wrote: »
    headrott wrote: »
    What is so funny about it?

    What's Funny is that COAL is the Dirtiest Form of Electric Generation but it's nothing compared to the Generation of Gasoline from Oil.

    That's the Funny Part. A 100% COAL Generated EV emits Less Pollution than a Gas Burning Car.


    This Article states that 28% to 40% of EV owners have Solar:
    https://cleantechnica.com/2017/06/25/28-40-ev-drivers-solar-panels-cleantechnica-ev-report/

    So right there, that means that 60% to 72% EV owners use Electricity that has 5% to 30% Coal in it.

    That small amount of COAL is nothing compared to the Refining Process of Oil to Gasoline. The Refining Process of Gas uses More Electricity than I use to propel my EV the same distance that the Gasoline would Propel a Gas Car.

    So we might as well cut out the Middle Man. Cut out the Production of Gasoline and gas Cars.

    Just use the Electricity directly in the EV.




    Hydrogen for cars is Pipe Dream. It will never happen. It 10 years it'll be totally gone.

    Sal, you are changing the argument with every post you make. You do not fully answer the questions/issues that are brought up. Why? ((Rhetorical question): I know the answer, but do you realize it?))
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    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....


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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 6,646
    Lasareath wrote: »
    Electricity that has 5% to 30% Coal in it.

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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 6,646
    I just tried to get a closer look at the coal in my electricity by sticking my face in my panel box. After a few sparks, I went to look in the mirror and sure enough, some of that coal had blackened my face.
  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 6,646
    Hydrogen mass-transit has already been tried... no thanks.

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    :p

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  • mrbiron
    mrbiron Posts: 5,711
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    Where’s the KABOOM?!?! There’s supposed to be an Earth shattering KABOOM!!!
  • mrbiron
    mrbiron Posts: 5,711
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    Where’s the KABOOM?!?! There’s supposed to be an Earth shattering KABOOM!!!
  • mrbiron
    mrbiron Posts: 5,711
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    Where’s the KABOOM?!?! There’s supposed to be an Earth shattering KABOOM!!!
  • mrbiron
    mrbiron Posts: 5,711
    Pats are winning btw....
    Where’s the KABOOM?!?! There’s supposed to be an Earth shattering KABOOM!!!
  • mrbiron
    mrbiron Posts: 5,711
    Hahahah...everyone of you posts is a repeat you hypocrite.

    Lol
    Where’s the KABOOM?!?! There’s supposed to be an Earth shattering KABOOM!!!
  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,124
    Las we can go ****-4-tat for days

    You're not going to convincing....burning rubber and not going anywhere :D:D:D:D
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,124
    So it's preaching...not just posting about a Tesla thread....calling you out

    You got banned before and I'm calling you out....TROLLING
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,124
    Go to the auto forums and preach
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  • I am involved with a company that is building Electric Car Charging Stations. But I cannot divulge any info on that now.

    But I do have a couple of companies set up to teach EV Novices about Electric Cars and Charging Etiquette. Like this site: http://EV-Rules.com

    Well, that says it all right there. B)


    Sal Palooza
  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 6,646
    edited November 2017
    lol
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,124
    We'll talk EVs, just like before....

    Can an EV get you from Mobile, Alabama to Texas in 5hrs for $48 in a 3/4 ton diesel pickup GMC Denali. My truck doesn't roll coal :/

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    Sure there are thousands and %'s that don't travel that daily....but there are thousands and %'s that do.....

    East Coast hmmmm yeah...a little. What about those who commute across from Connecticut to NY daily...luck of the draw in traffic

    You can talk gasoline subs, but I can talk gasoline taxes

    We're already talking about electronics waste and what to do with it...as small as cell phones.

    Humans are always going to be a contributing waste to this planet. You can chop it up how ever you want.

    So a hand full of countries chip in for the climate agenda, but those aren't the countries that are the worst offenders. Just like crime, you can preach about it, but unless go to the sources you can't fix it.

    The 1st world countries ie US and Germany have figured out how to recycle nearly every consumer good. That's why we have so many throw a ways that aren't natural.

    Byproducts are the evil of consumption

    Batteries are a byproduct and a multiple byproduct at that.

    With EV's they try to make them lighter with more byproducts, just like every car.

    Like I said....round and round

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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,484
    edited November 2017
    Lasareath wrote: »
    headrott wrote: »
    Sal, you are changing the argument with every post you make. You do not fully answer the questions/issues that are brought up. Why? ((Rhetorical question): I know the answer, but do you realize it?))
    You still did not answer my rhetorical question, which is: Why do you not realise that you are changing the argument with each post?

    You need me to answer every single question that you asked? I'll try but I think I'll be wasting time. Why Do I think I am wasting my time because I think no matter what I write you'll just believe what you want to believe

    That can be argued on both sides, correct? If you believe you are correct, why not make your argument (with accurate facts) to convince us?

    What is so funny about it? It doesn't matter if coal is on the decline or not. This does not change the fact that well over 90% of EV's are powered by coal to get charged currently. Do you not agree with this fact?

    What's Funny is the production of Gasoline From Oil is much worse than burning 5% to 30% Coal in order to make Electric.

    Let's assume that 5 to 30% coal is, in fact used to power electricity to people's houses. Who has done the study to put out these numbers? How accurate are they? Why are you taking them at face value? Also, the energy consumption usage chart you posted after this post is comparing jet fuel to coal for producing electricity? I know of no place (apparently other than New Jersey) that uses Jet Fuel to produce electricity. Doesn't that raise suspicion about your source?
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    How can you compare the two calculations? One is an indirect emmision calculation and one is direct. At least the direct calculation from the gasoline engine is accurate. The calculation for your "green plan" does not take into account all aspects of carbon emissions (and is theoretical, not actual, unlike the gasoline engine).


    I can compare it because the EV itself does not create Pollution. If you give the EV 100% Solar or Wind Generated Electric it would not emit anything.

    But again, that is NOT the case. Well over 90% of EV car owners use coal to power their cars (apparently other than in New Jersey which are using other fuels, such as Jet Fuel to power their EV's?)

    The Drilling for OIL and turning that into Gasoline and you use in your car and then create Exhaust makes pollution in every single step of the way.

    Just as the mining for materials to make EV car batteries, and then coal (and Jet Fuel?) to recharge their batteries creates pollution; Perhaps we are arguing different evils?

    It's 6.5X times more emissions for a Gas Car compared to my Car.

    6.5X according to whom? The New Jersey Energy Consumption, who also claim to compare Jet Fuel to Coal to create electricity?
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    Well, the hydrogen car uses a different step than the current EV's, by using hydrogen to charge the battery. It does not "add a step". It bypasses coal to charge the battery. That is a fact. Where are all the EV owners railing to get hydrogen cars?



    The problem is obtaining the Hydrogen, Where will you get it?, Are you going to drive to CA to fill up?

    Even if they make the Hydrogen Stations, $2,000,000 each, How many will they need?, There are 150,000 Gas Station right now. Is that enough?, Will they sell the only Hydrogen?, Can they get by on just Hydrogen Sales?

    Who will pay for that?, Gov Subsidies?

    Again, you are changing the argument here. Do you want a cleaner fuel source and less emissions? Or do want convenience and financial ease? You have to decide.



    You don't have a hydrogen hookup because, there are no hydrogen cars. If hydrogen cars came out instead of the current coal sucking EV's, the emissions would be greatly reduced (by getting rid of the need for the use of coal). Why are you EV owners not demanding this?

    EV Owners fill up in their driveway. We LOVE this. We don't want to go to a Hydrogen Station. EV Owners are smart people, we Know HyDrogen is not as Efficient as a 100% Electric Car.

    That's why we don't want it. Where will the money come from to build the Stations?

    You still realize that EV owners as a 90%+ majority (other than New Jersey, which apparently use Jet Fuel) use Coal to recharge their batteries. To think otherwise is delusional.



    It's to expensive to get hydrogen to the masses because there is no demand for hydrogen (again) because there are no hydrogen cars. You are using circular logic here.

    EV Owners fill up in their driveway. We LOVE this. We don't want to go to a Hydrogen Station. EV Owners are smart people, we Know HyDrogen is not as Efficient as a 100% Electric Car.

    That's why we don't want it. Where will the money come from to build the Stations?


    It seems to me there is another agenda here to "dismiss" hydrogen. And, it ain't because "it's a waste of time".

    EV Owners fill up in their driveway. We LOVE this. We don't want to go to a Hydrogen Station. EV Owners are smart people, we Know Hydrogen is not as Efficient as a 100% Electric Car.

    That's why we don't want it. Where will the money come from to build the Stations?

    You are using circular logic here. Do I need to say more?

    You are taking convenience to environmental cleanliness, aren't you? If you want pure, cleanliness, perhaps you should demand the best, which is not coal (or Jet Fuel?) powered batteries found in EV's (for a vast majority of the power to feed batteries in EV's)).

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    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....


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  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,638
    lightman1 wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    charley95 wrote: »
    I know a guy that has a 76 Cadillac with a 455 4 barrel in it if that means anything. Last I checked with him he was getting about 3 gallons to the mile.

    Cadillac never built a 455... they had a 500, but never a 455.

    Was it mint green with posi

    My cousin Vinny says so...

    It was two utes
  • charley95 wrote: »
    I know a guy that has a 76 Cadillac with a 455 4 barrel in it if that means anything. Last I checked with him he was getting about 3 gallons to the mile.

    Cadillac never built a 455... they had a 500, but never a 455.

    Close enough. Technically I think it was a 472 c.i. they called a 500. I used to know all that stuff but, don't remember much anymore.
  • Does anyone know if Chris Cuomo has chimed in on this thread yet?
  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,124
    Lasareath wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    May the EV Gawd bless you...go preach somewhere else

    Thank You for your Blessing. As I said in the past I did not start this Thread. I'm just updating it because most people here are clueless when it comes to EVs.

    It's my Job to teach the public about EVs.

    I'm #UBUYGAS
    www.UBUYGAS.com

    Ok, it's your doodie to inform us, I get it now
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  • mrbiron
    mrbiron Posts: 5,711
    Lasareath wrote: »

    Fixed that for you.
    Lasareath wrote: »
    It's my Job to teach the public about EVs.
    Clearly you don't know your audience and i hope you aren't paid on commission.
    Lasareath wrote: »
    mrbiron wrote: »
    Hahahah...everyone of you posts is a repeat you hypocrite.

    They have to be repeated sometimes when we get people like you who only read the last few posts.

    You really should start off where you left off last time so you don't post things other people have already.

    Hypocrite....again.
    There is no need to go back. Since you've returned, we have 4-5 pages of agenda pushing on your behalf, again. We will just sit back and wait, again, for you to have a conniption followed by having polk deleting your account...again.

    Four "agains" used for emphasis.
    Where’s the KABOOM?!?! There’s supposed to be an Earth shattering KABOOM!!!
  • Strong Bad
    Strong Bad Posts: 4,276
    I have no idea if I ever replied back to this thread, but I wound up cancelling my Tesla preorder and got a refund on the deposit.

    My Honda Accord is coming up for 10 years old in Feb '18 and right now has about 170k miles on the ticker. I'd like to say my reasons were for a noble cause like not wanting to pollute the environment with having a new car made for me. Oh no, it's strictly for personal and financial reasons. I can afford a new car, but every month I don't have a car payment is another month more funds are invested for retirement.

    I work with people and in general, see people everyday tripping and falling over each other in an effort to outdo everyone for bragging rights on how much car they can buy. I remember this sort of thing happening with housing back in the 2000's. I find it...dumb. If you can afford it, fine, but why do some people feel they have to be in a new car every 2 years (Yes, I know people like this).

    The more I thought about this new Tesla, the more it didn't make sense for me. Why get rid of a paid off Accord that runs great and is still in great shape? Sorry, I'll just have to keep polluting the envrionment for a while longer, but hopefully my Solar Panels are offsetting it.
    No excuses!
  • shawn474
    shawn474 Posts: 3,047
    Sal, serious question......do you ever get tired of hearing yourself speak? The fact is your agenda, your arguing and your methods of “educating” has grown tired and stale. It took you all of three days for people to ramp up the level of disdain for your posts.....AGAIN. Take a hint, shut your mouth and stick to audio on the Polk forum. Then go educate others on all your various EV forums. We don’t want it or need it here anymore. Thanks for your understanding.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,474
    edited November 2017
    Lasareath wrote: »
    It's my Job to teach the public about EVs.
    Superiority complex much?

    Who anointed you to save mankind?

    You've become another juju
  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 6,646
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Holy freakin' poupe-carp! :o:D
  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 6,646
    It's my job to laugh on internet forums.
  • Strong Bad
    Strong Bad Posts: 4,276
    Please tell me those are photoshopped on to a photo of your car because I may have to join in with Viking64.
    No excuses!
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