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DonnerundBlitzen, so I gotta ask, why are you here? I mean, seriously. You just listed a dozen reasons why this forum isn't helpful to you (I disagree, BTW, we've got some home theater gurus as well as subwoofer gurus), yet here you are.
Now I haven't had any issues with you or K_M, mostly because I don't engage in wasting my time when someone has obviously made up their mind; but if you don't see any value here, why bother?Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
I'd like to hear that answer myself....HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
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Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
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Popcorn in the microwave, and lots of time to kill.
@ZLTFUL you wanna write me a macro to auto refresh the page every minute so I don't have to keep hitting F6 to follow along lol.."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
That would mean giving up the phone number. Personally I would rather pass.I'd like to hear that answer myself....
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“When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson -
No... nobody here pointed you toward that receiver. Right. (FYI, and you should know this, folks here have been raving about the Yamaha Aventage receivers for quite some time now, and particularly how well they pair with Polk speakers like yours.) And hey, when I've got an issue with some specific receiver function, I go to AVS, too. But, that's not what this place is about. Stick around, listen, learn, and maybe one day, you'll figure it out.DonnerUndBlitzen wrote: »On the other hand, I recently ordered a Yamaha Aventage RX-A2060BL audio video receiver. Its manual is over 200 pages long. I should be able to get the receiver up and going in a few hours. Tweaking its controls and learning how to use it and set up shortcuts is much more complicated and time consuming than ordering and setting up speakers.
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There is next to nothing at the Polk Audio forum that is comparable to the helpful info provided at such places as the AVS Forum, Emotiva's forum, and Audioholics. These forums helped me to select my Aventage receiver, my cables and speaker wires, my Sony BD player, and my upcoming 4K TV purchase. -
So how about them Bears?
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Mikey081057 wrote: »Splains alot. But fear not i don't think any less of you.
How could you possibly think any less of me, impossible I say....Lol.2 channel: Anthem 225 Integrated amp; Parasound Ztuner; TechnicsTT SL1350; Vincent PHO-8 phono pre; Marantz CD6005 spinner; Polk SDA2BTL's; LAT International speaker cables, ZU Mission IC's and power cables all into a PS Audio Dectet Power center.
Other; M10 series II, M7C's, Hafler XL600 amp, RB-980BX, Parasound HCA-1500 amp , P5 preamp, all in storage. All vintage Polk have had crossover rebuilds and tweeter upgrades.
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It is imperative that we recognize that an opinion is not a fact.
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This place is as dead as you make it guys. We can liven it up by posting, yes the simple act of posting increases search engine results for one and that's important. Another suggestion, with newbies that log in, welcome them! Involve them but don't belittle or insult them, a touch of honey goes much further than venom. Simply put, be more friendly, hell it can't hurt.
The nature of the forum over the last few years has evolved to the point, that a small band of guys, were so used to bashing and insulting people, it became "normal" in their minds.
It was normal to be snippy, to be rude, to call people trolls and names, and to openly suggest people are jerks, or need to be banned, or post dozen's of random silly pictures or silly comments.
Thing is, it was NOT the new people complaining, but the silent majority that have been here a while, and that were sick of the antics of several guys, but neither said much about it openly, nor participated in many posts due to the degradation of the forum gradually.
Sorry, but a forum will not run, on 2 dozen guys calling people names, and making snippy remarks.
You guys lost many members gradually, or lost them having interest in posting, by trying to make this your personal social club that has no need for anyone that disagrees or is new.
Surprised no one saw this coming, and it takes someone to explain it.
There is no "US and THEM", here, it is simply random people posting on a manufacturers forum.
When some of you guys tried to make it your personal "Old boys social club".......things were beginning to end.
Bash me all you want, but it was not Me or 2 or 3 Fairly new members that changed anything here, it was DOZEN'S of older members that were tired of years of bashing and rudeness and were sick of the way the forum was becoming.
You don't know when to quit do you.
I find it funny, that in over 18 years of the forum's existence, with the same 'old members" that are supposedly the reason in your eyes for the lack of activity, the forum has flourished quite well over the years.
Only until recently, past few years, with changes in ownership/vanilla/ and a new breed of people who get **** at the drop of a hat or offended as easily as a Kardashian taking a selfie has the forum suffered some. The forum thrived just fine before, with the same "old guard", so what changed ?
Society changed, the old members haven't. Today, it's offensive to simply disagree and rather participate in conversation some would rather cry to mommy and daddy, aka Polk, to air their grievances instead of talking to the person of whom they have difficulties with. Nobody taught generations how to deal with opposing views or confrontation....only that you must be a victim, of bullying of some sorts.
The old members, or any member raised in a somewhat normal era don't play the snowflake games of victimhood. That's the clash you currently see, a clash of culture, not bullying. I'm not saying too that bullying doesn't exist here, because it does, but not to the degree some think is the sole reason for the forum's downturn or lack of sales for Polk.
I might even suggest, the "old guard" is exactly what keeps this forum going. Why ? Because they are the ones most knowledgeable, have vast experience with a range of Polk products, and a variety of other brands because people mix and match brands all the time in their systems. They are the ones, whom if one would listen a little from time to time, are actually trying to save people money while expanding their audio pleasure. They are also the one's with experience in fixing things should they go south, upgrading parts, what works with what and what doesn't.
As a member of the "old guard", and only speaking for myself, I find your blame misplaced, and while your entitled to your opinion obviously, so am I.
When to quit? People can quit making comments whenever they please.
Not when it suits you in particular. What a condescending silly comment.
Sorry my comments offend you, and all you can resort to is calling people snowflakes or victims.
IT Is not "New forum members" that were complaining. It was mostly OLDER Forum members complaining about OTHER older forum members.
You may want to believe everything was hunky dory, and oh how dare a few newer people come here and ruin things, but truth be told, many forum members that have been here for several years, were the ones that had issues.
They saw how "Some" older forum members were acting mostly towards newer or newish members, and got sick of it.
So that leaves your "theory" about snowflakes and the Elite old guard, pretty much in the dust.
Try again. There is not an "US and them" going on here.
Rude is rude, respectful is respectful.
You are reading far too much into all of this. It is Just a forum. No one is better than anyone else. We are all just guests here. New and old. -
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Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
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Pio Elete Pro 520
Panamax 5400-EX
Sunfire TGP 5
Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
PS Audio GCPH phono pre
Sunfire CG 200 X 5
Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
OPPO BDP-83 SE
SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
Ctr CS1000p
Sur - FX1000 x 4
SUB - SVS PB2-Plus
Workkout room:
Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
Onkyo TX-DS898
GFA 555
Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
Ft - SDA 1C
Not being used:
RTi 38's -4
RT55i's - 2
RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
LSI 15's
CSi40
PSW 404 -
Beyond shocked that this hasn't been locked yet..."Conservative Libertarians love the country, progressive leftists love the government." - Andrew Wilkow
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What is really a shame is all the good trolls have been banned. Now that is boring.
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DonnerundBlitzen, so I gotta ask, why are you here? I mean, seriously. You just listed a dozen reasons why this forum isn't helpful to you (I disagree, BTW, we've got some home theater gurus as well as subwoofer gurus), yet here you are.
Now I haven't had any issues with you or K_M, mostly because I don't engage in wasting my time when someone has obviously made up their mind; but if you don't see any value here, why bother?
I am not sure he said he saw "No value" here, but he said that is why the forum is mostly dead.
I tend to read a lot of threads and not reply or interact in them, simply to gain knowledge or see what other think or like.
Contrary to what many would think I find a lot MORE value simply reading about stuff randomly than asking for opinions or replies.
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This place is as dead as you make it guys. We can liven it up by posting, yes the simple act of posting increases search engine results for one and that's important. Another suggestion, with newbies that log in, welcome them! Involve them but don't belittle or insult them, a touch of honey goes much further than venom. Simply put, be more friendly, hell it can't hurt.
The nature of the forum over the last few years has evolved to the point, that a small band of guys, were so used to bashing and insulting people, it became "normal" in their minds.
It was normal to be snippy, to be rude, to call people trolls and names, and to openly suggest people are jerks, or need to be banned, or post dozen's of random silly pictures or silly comments.
Thing is, it was NOT the new people complaining, but the silent majority that have been here a while, and that were sick of the antics of several guys, but neither said much about it openly, nor participated in many posts due to the degradation of the forum gradually.
Sorry, but a forum will not run, on 2 dozen guys calling people names, and making snippy remarks.
You guys lost many members gradually, or lost them having interest in posting, by trying to make this your personal social club that has no need for anyone that disagrees or is new.
Surprised no one saw this coming, and it takes someone to explain it.
There is no "US and THEM", here, it is simply random people posting on a manufacturers forum.
When some of you guys tried to make it your personal "Old boys social club".......things were beginning to end.
Bash me all you want, but it was not Me or 2 or 3 Fairly new members that changed anything here, it was DOZEN'S of older members that were tired of years of bashing and rudeness and were sick of the way the forum was becoming.
You don't know when to quit do you.
In a word - no.
Probably been waiting a while to find a comment to use try to stir as usual.
How many positive posts have been made by KM??
Percentage wise, or just overall posts? -
It was more of a rhetorical question.Pio Elete Pro 520
Panamax 5400-EX
Sunfire TGP 5
Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
PS Audio GCPH phono pre
Sunfire CG 200 X 5
Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
OPPO BDP-83 SE
SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
Ctr CS1000p
Sur - FX1000 x 4
SUB - SVS PB2-Plus
Workkout room:
Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
Onkyo TX-DS898
GFA 555
Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
Ft - SDA 1C
Not being used:
RTi 38's -4
RT55i's - 2
RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
LSI 15's
CSi40
PSW 404 -
The Bears still s--k
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Pio Elete Pro 520
Panamax 5400-EX
Sunfire TGP 5
Micro Seiki DD-40 - Lyra-Dorian and Denon DL-160
PS Audio GCPH phono pre
Sunfire CG 200 X 5
Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
OPPO BDP-83 SE
SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
Ctr CS1000p
Sur - FX1000 x 4
SUB - SVS PB2-Plus
Workkout room:
Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
Onkyo TX-DS898
GFA 555
Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
Ft - SDA 1C
Not being used:
RTi 38's -4
RT55i's - 2
RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
LSI 15's
CSi40
PSW 404 -
Beyond shocked that this hasn't been locked yet...
On it way now that the chimers are here -
You are reading far too much into all of this. It is Just a forum. No one is better than anyone else. We are all just guests here. New and old.
That's one of your many misconceptions. This is not just any old forum. A great many of us have formed friendships on and off the forum. A great many of us have members in their homes and are guests in others. A good number of us have known each for 15 years, some longer. A good number of us consider each other as family. In fact, Polk used to encourage the family type atmosphere, which unfortunately the new management doesn't seem to value.
As I stated earlier, your perceptions of just about everything here are mistaken and as long as you keep thinking this is just a forum you'll never get it.
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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I'm going to add to the above
For example...we had a great number of Polkies from out of state come to LSAF this year
Not many from the "old guard"...most newbies per say, none of which had a negative thing to stay about the veteran members...well nothing except Russ' smelly feet
But anyway....as spoken above, lotta family like love
Hey Kerry....will you haula$$ down here and give me hand
and Dan...please send me your salad bowls
and Larry...If Skips looks like he's having a rough day at RMAF....rub his tummy, it makes him feel better2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
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DonnerUndBlitzen wrote: »There is next to nothing at the Polk Audio forum that is comparable to the helpful info provided at such places as the AVS Forum, Emotiva's forum, and Audioholics. .
I'm willing to bet there are ALOT of members here that will disagree with that bold statement. Especially people that have spent hours, and days on posting material that has been an indispensable tool for polk products, current and especially vintage.DonnerUndBlitzen wrote: »So, we end up at this forum with threads that are perhaps a tad amusing in a very sophomoric manner (like the "cable elevator" thread [are they called "cable lifts" in London?]) instead of helpful, pro Polk Audio threads..
Did you read the opening statement in that thread? Does everything posted here need to be about "pro Polk"
If I want some good general and also expert knowledge on some things, I'll visit AVS as well.
When I want expert Polk advice, including other expert advice, I come here, you are trying to compare apple's and oranges.
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I didn't see this until quoted above as he is on ignore.DonnerUndBlitzen wrote: »
So, we end up at this forum with threads that are perhaps a tad amusing in a very sophomoric manner (like the "cable elevator" thread [are they called "cable lifts" in London?]) instead of helpful, pro Polk Audio threads..
So now you want to tell us what to talk about!?! I'm sure you have no friends.
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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txcoastal1 wrote: »and Dan...please send me your salad bowls
I'm narrowing down a passive crossover design as a starting point as well as a flatpack box to begin the initial tweaking with as we speak.
I'm actually on parts express right now building out the cost of the initial parts for crossover v1.0
"....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
I will add only this to what @F1Nut and @txcoastal1 have said.
If one were to look in my phone today, the would see more forum member names of people on this forum than anything else.
I have had the privilege to meet the following members in the past few years due to get togethers both in my house or at others, up to and including LSAF:
@nooshinjohn, @indyhawg, @trav0810, @bored184, @kharp1, @txcoastal, @marvda1, @voltz, @dskip, @lightman1, @ZLTFUL, @02guy, @pitdogg2, @deronb1, @oldrocker, @erniejade and a few others whose forum names escape me.
I talk to forum members in PA, TN, TX, WI, IL and IA on a fairly regular basis.
There is NO OTHER FORUM that I have been a member of besides this one, that I have met more than one or two of the users in real life. And many of those forums I've been a member of longer than this one."....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963) -
For over 15 years, this forum's rep was always one of a bunch of hardcore audio buffs. I've seen hundreds of questions on other forums about Polk products and they would get directed here for the no BS answer, with the caveat that they need to have a thick skin to wade in our pool.
Times have changed, life goes on, and I miss Dr. Spec. Now that was a member that could "Ed"ucate you on how to get good bass!
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I've been here for 12 years. For most of that time, this place has been a great source of knowledge, comraderie, and entertainment. Then a few people showed up and seemed determined to spread hate and discontent. There's always been a few of those but in the past they were called out and eventually came around or left. This time it was different and it's no longer PC to call them out. Now they're trying to spread some nonsense that there's always been a silent, unheard, disgruntled majority. The results say otherwise. Unfortunately, these tactics seems to be effectively driving this place into the ground. There's still a lot of great people here and it's truly sad that a few people are being allowed to destroy something great. There's a lot of you I'd love to have a beer or six with while this place is still here.SDA 2B-TL (Sonicap/Solen/Mills, Erse Super Q, Rings, Spikes, No-Rez)
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In my many travels, I have met a lot of folks here. All have been nothing less than gracious and welcoming. As Jesse said, lifelong friendships have been formed because of that.
I have no regrets at all.
Other than the GDP of a small country that they have helped me spend.
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EndersShadow wrote: »I will add only this to what @F1Nut and @txcoastal1 have said.
If one were to look in my phone today, the would see more forum member names of people on this forum than anything else.
I have had the privilege to meet the following members in the past few years due to get togethers both in my house or at others, up to and including LSAF:
@nooshinjohn, @indyhawg, @trav0810, @bored184, @kharp1, @txcoastal, @marvda1, @voltz, @dskip, @lightman1, @ZLTFUL, @02guy, @pitdogg2, @deronb1, @oldrocker, @erniejade and a few others whose forum names escape me.
I talk to forum members in PA, TN, TX, WI, IL and IA on a fairly regular basis.
There is NO OTHER FORUM that I have been a member of besides this one, that I have met more than one or two of the users in real life. And many of those forums I've been a member of longer than this one.
Proud to call you a friend Dan... call me when you get a free moment or two.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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DonnerUndBlitzen wrote: ». Most of the posts are by people that are Yamaha AVR enthusiasts, not people that think all AVRs/2 channel receivers suck.
Sorry, but I think that's putting words in people's mouths as it is taken WAY out of context.DonnerUndBlitzen wrote: »The "manual" that came with my Polk's (just the English part) was only a few pages long. On the other hand, I recently ordered a Yamaha Aventage RX-A2060BL audio video receiver. Its manual is over 200 pages long. I should be able to get the receiver up and going in a few hours. Tweaking its controls and learning how to use it and set up shortcuts is much more complicated and time consuming than ordering and setting up speakers.
That's probably why the manual is larger.
You seem to be making it sound like Polk is "lacking" with their product manuals.
With what's been a hot topic recently, reading your entire post, it looks as if you're trying to "stir the pot". Sorry if that comes off as being "frank" but I don't see where you're trying to go with this.
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