Mustang any good in the twisties?
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We have an older Miata, and while small and not the absolute best at anything, is maybe the most fun car I have ever driven, even compared to much more expensive and faster cars.
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Love mine.. It truly is an adult go-kart.
uh we have one, and I would say, naw not quite..lol
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I still think that the BMW options are better for twisty fun and refinement.
If you can justify the price, the Lexus GS F is outstanding (if you can find a left over at a dealer). the GS 350 F sport is an AWESOME substitute. -
I dunno...a V8 Mustang...traction control disabled could lead to increased smiles as throttle induced steering could be fun in the right areas...
Well, I dunno. haha
I've kicked around in the GS 350 F Sport the most. I have yet to leave that car without a smile plastered on my face.
It can be polite in everyday driving and a blast when you want it to be.
I found the Mustang to still feel too heavy and labored in comparison.
The GS F. That was just pure driving fun. If I did not have to fork out too much $$ in daycare bills, I would have driven that thing home... -
I just looked up the 2017 GS F, and it is $84K to start. That is double what I want to pay. Not this lifetime, assuming I never hit the lottery.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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As a final car purchase I would seriously consider switching to a vehicle with an automatic transmission. The better automatics shift faster than manuals, are a bit more economical, and easier to deal with physically in urban traffic as one gets older. Also consider something with new safety tech. I had a Mazda 3 for a couple years about ten years ago and enjoyed it. The newer version is even better. I would look at the 3, CX5, or CX9 and see which one fits your needs best. They will all handle and perform well for a fair price compared to their direct competitors.
Rent a sports car if you want to go do mountain driving for kicks.Post edited by Emlyn on -
Save more money and patiently wait for the new Nissan Z coming soon. Google it.
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I find that hard to believe, skip...
The Nissan stuff is trash compared to what it used to be. Throw away items.
The Lexus stuff is lightyears ahead.
As I said before, the leftovers or lightly used year old models are WAY under full sticker for the GS F.
If that's still hard to justify, the GS 350 F Sport is a GREAT car to consider for something drivable in everyday life and can throw on a party hat when needed. -
My car did everything that one did and was more comfortable to boot. I like the GS-F, but I still prefer the G37 over it. I even prefer the G over the Infiniti M. They got it right on that car IMO. I also prefer the G37 over the new Q60 for a multitude of reasons.
Driving experience went BMW, Infiniti, then Lexus a close third. Comfort went Infiniti, Lexus, then BMW. The BMW 3/4/5 is a hard car to beat for overall experience. The comfort of the Infiniti went well beyond that of the Lexus and BMW and I felt had better overall build quality honestly. The BMW seats felt like cardboard and the Lexus interior wasn't bad, but I preferred the material inside the G37. The new Q60 had less comfortable and maybe slightly lower grade seats, less 'spirit' to the drive, and a longer load time for the electronics inside. I'd still take the Q60 over the BMW and it would be a winner over the GS-F for price alone.
Still having a hard time processing what your saying. Infiniti gave up the ghost 8+ years ago when people realized they were just over complicated Nissan cars. And the Nissan stuff fell off the face of the planet in terms of quality in the early 2000's...
The interiors are just a mess of buttons and the build quality is spotty at best. the Lexus and BMW stuff is expected and well though out. Buttons are where you expect them and not over done. The drive trains are well built and don't disappoint.
Sorry, but when shopping for my latest car, I SAT in an Infiniti and got right back out. It looked like a damn mess. Volvo thought me the value in good car design, Nissan showed me once again what it should never look like...
Comfort is a personal experience. I want a car to grip me and the road. The Nissan cars did neither. BMW and Lexus did a great job being adjustable to the user and providing excitement. At least to me.
I found the Nissan seats too wide, like a domestic car seats.
I think Nissan did a great job grabbing the publics attention in the early to mid 2000's. but they dropped the ball IMO and got lazy with intelligent engineering. -
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I agree the Infinity G series were/are excellent cars and a blast too drive. I had the G35 coupe and loved it. That car was so good and Nissan offered some variation of the FM platform going on 15 years or so.
With the exception of the Q60 redsport the G37s still make significantly more power. I still like the styling of the G series coupes also.
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I dunno...a V8 Mustang...traction control disabled could lead to increased smiles as throttle induced steering could be fun in the right areas...
Yeah,
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I agree on the VW. But based on what you have had and description of what you want I would recommend looking and testing a VW Golf R. The GTI's big brother. Its handling and performance capabilities are pretty impressive. Light, 290 HP, AWD, adaptive driver control.... It can really apply the power to the pavement.
It is very high on my list when I turn in the IS350.2 Channel Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II, 2 REL Carbon Limited, Norma Revo IPA-140B, Lumin U2 Mini, VPI Prime w/SoundSmith Zephyr MIMC, Modwright PH 150, Denon DP-59l w/Denon DL-301MKII, WAY Silver 3 Ana+ Speaker Cables, WAY Silver 4+ Interconnect Cables, AudioQuest Niagara 7000 w/Dragon and Hurricane Power Cables -
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I agree on the VW. But based on what you have had and description of what you want I would recommend looking and testing a VW Golf R. The GTI's big brother. Its handling and performance capabilities are pretty impressive. Light, 290 HP, AWD, adaptive driver control.... It can really apply the power to the pavement.
It is very high on my list when I turn in the IS350.
I second that. Only because I own one. Some light modifications and it sits at about 400 HP easily and reliably. German cars drive super nice and tight, not to mention the solid thud when closing the doors. The interiors are very nice as well, much nicer than most. No cheap plastic dash and interior pieces. Solid as a rock.2 channel:
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Before my current car, I had an 87 VW (Blue) Fox for 17 years. That makes two cars in 30 years. Time flies. Anyway, the Fox was okay, but also a piece of junk. I realize I can't judge all VW cars based on this one, so I will add VW onto the list.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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Before my current car, I had an 87 VW (Blue) Fox for 17 years. That makes two cars in 30 years. Time flies. Anyway, the Fox was okay, but also a piece of junk. I realize I can't judge all VW cars based on this one, so I will add VW onto the list.
I had an 85 Jetta as a teenager. It was a piece of junk as well. The fox was a mk1 body style, Piece of junk is an understatement. Vw has come a long way since then. Go drive a golf R with DSG and do some launches.2 channel:
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jeremymarcinko wrote: »Really a CX-5 or a NSX, am I missing something here. What are we comparing again?
Practicality versus luxury. Mazda doesn't have a luxury car division so they offer more in their models. The TOL AWD CX-5 is probably a better handling SUV, based on reviews, but doesn't have the extra touches, nor the name, that the NSX has. For $15K less than a NSX, I can live without the bling. However, both would be nice to have, so I have to keep my mind open for a year or two.
Few observations Bud....
One...if this is the last new car your probably going to buy, go big or go home. Don't cheap out on the last one, make it a pleasurable experience.
Two....given what you've spent on audio gear, 15k either way shouldn't be relative imho. Your money....I know, but spoil yourself in your last driving years is all I'm sayin'.
Three.....is I can't think of a third, lol. Point being....just buy whatever the eff you want, regardless of coin, and drive it like you stole it.HT SYSTEM-
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jeremymarcinko wrote: »Really a CX-5 or a NSX, am I missing something here. What are we comparing again?
Practicality versus luxury. Mazda doesn't have a luxury car division so they offer more in their models. The TOL AWD CX-5 is probably a better handling SUV, based on reviews, but doesn't have the extra touches, nor the name, that the NSX has. For $15K less than a NSX, I can live without the bling. However, both would be nice to have, so I have to keep my mind open for a year or two.
Few observations Bud....
One...if this is the last new car your probably going to buy, go big or go home. Don't cheap out on the last one, make it a pleasurable experience.
Two....given what you've spent on audio gear, 15k either way shouldn't be relative imho. Your money....I know, but spoil yourself in your last driving years is all I'm sayin'.
Three.....is I can't think of a third, lol. Point being....just buy whatever the eff you want, regardless of coin, and drive it like you stole it.
Good points Tony. This should be last car, and I want to make sure I love it, and don't end up selling it for some reason. That is why I am leery of automatics. Manuals are just too much fun. Going to Tahoe in May, and also Minden NV showed that again. Most of the trip in the mountains was two lanes, but passing lanes are added in various locations. It was great taking the Mazda, dropping it into 2nd, zoom zooming past everyone, ease up on the gas, dropping into the turn, accelerating into 3rd, hitting the next hairpin, back into 2nd, zoom into 3rd, etc..
However, once I retire I won't be driving as much, so I don't want to go too crazy on price.
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jeremymarcinko wrote: »Really a CX-5 or a NSX, am I missing something here. What are we comparing again?
Practicality versus luxury. Mazda doesn't have a luxury car division so they offer more in their models. The TOL AWD CX-5 is probably a better handling SUV, based on reviews, but doesn't have the extra touches, nor the name, that the NSX has. For $15K less than a NSX, I can live without the bling. However, both would be nice to have, so I have to keep my mind open for a year or two.
Few observations Bud....
One...if this is the last new car your probably going to buy, go big or go home. Don't cheap out on the last one, make it a pleasurable experience.
Two....given what you've spent on audio gear, 15k either way shouldn't be relative imho. Your money....I know, but spoil yourself in your last driving years is all I'm sayin'.
Three.....is I can't think of a third, lol. Point being....just buy whatever the eff you want, regardless of coin, and drive it like you stole it.
Good points Tony. This should be last car, and I want to make sure I love it, and don't end up selling it for some reason. That is why I am leery of automatics. Manuals are just too much fun. Going to Tahoe in May, and also Minden NV showed that again. Most of the trip in the mountains was two lanes, but passing lanes are added in various locations. It was great taking the Mazda, dropping it into 2nd, zoom zooming past everyone, ease up on the gas, dropping into the turn, accelerating into 3rd, hitting the next hairpin, back into 2nd, zoom into 3rd, etc..
However, once I retire I won't be driving as much, so I don't want to go too crazy on price.
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Go manual shift. Pure enjoyment and I find myself paying much more attention to everything.
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Golf/GTI are great cars and drive great, but VW is still not known for great reliability. The Mazda or Lexus will be far better over the course of 10+ years.
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If driving enjoyment on twisty mountain roads was the top priority I would not get a front wheel drive car or front wheel drive biased car. Something like a 2 series BMW would be near the top of my list. Probably an M240i coupe that is low on options to keep the price down.
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Lol! When you get to 3, and wait... What were the first 2??Three.....is I can't think of a third, lol. Point being....just buy whatever the eff you want, regardless of coin, and drive it like you stole it.
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Oh yeah!! The best thing about a Mustang is what can added to it after buying it.
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The only thing about the Mustang is you better know how to drive it.
If you think you are going to play around and let it loose, even just a tad, you're going to spin that a$$-end around in a heart beat
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Upstatemax wrote: »I still think that the BMW options are better for twisty fun and refinement.
If you can justify the price, the Lexus GS F is outstanding (if you can find a left over at a dealer). the GS 350 F sport is an AWESOME substitute.
I have owned three different Lexus the past 20 years. My first was the LS400 then followed the SC and GS models. It is not that I think they are a piece of **** but they are a piece of ****. Three of them from different years, and models.
Maybe they drive great from the dealer lot? Don't know. At least I gave them many years and different models to base my facts. Lexus is throw away trash.
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Automotive is just as subjective as audio. One person could have a vw with zero issues, and one person gets the lemon nightmare. All brands have their issues. As working in the automotive trade for 15 years... they are all pieces of $hit. The more technological they get, with fancy gadgets, the more unreliable they become.
Trust me. Ever work in a Ferrari? Those things ride like lumber wagons and when on a hoist it looks like some hillbilly built it in his garage.2 channel:
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I am all for horse and carriage! Though I would have to leave for work last month. Haha
Very true. All makes have issues.
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