4 hour oil change. I hate Ford

MacLeod

Well 3000 miles finally ticked off so I was going to change the oil in my 2010 Edge. Picked up some 5w20 Motorcraft and Motorcraft filter and got to it. Dumped the oil and unscrewed the filter and tried to put the new one on. Wouldnt fit. Got online and double checked. Yeah, FL400S. Thats the right one. But after some digging I learn that Ford, in all their wisdom, decided to change the filter thread size in the middle of the year. If your Edge was built after January, it uses a different size. Great.

So I wait til the wife gets home, jump in her car and head out to Advance Auto Parts. None in stock. On to Autozone. None in stock. This goes on for a while.

So I get home at 10 PM after hitting every auto parts store in town including 2 Walmarts with no filter and so my car sits in the garage with no oil. There is an Oreilly's about 20 miles down the road that has a Wix thatll fit so Ill be there bright and early in the morning.

This is the stupidest bunch of **** Ive ever seen. Just another in a long line of disappointments in my new Ford purchase. I shoulda stuck with Honda. I got half a mind to return the Motorcraft oil and buy some Penzoil instead just cause I hate the idea of supporting Ford any more.

OK, I feel better now.

nooshinjohn

The new design may be easier to get from F.O.R.D. next time.

VR3

Sorry you are having probs man -

I can tell you my truck closing in at 143,000 has been solid as a rock except for some electronic window issues....

BIZILL

i used to love working on my vehicles and detailing them. i can't stand to do either anymore. damn age thing. getting old.

AsSiMiLaTeD

I love the oil filter placement on my 4Runner, the filter is right there on top. I use synthetic and get my oil changed every 10,000 miles, but I like to change my filter every 5,000. Having the filter on top is great because I can change it easily between oil changes.

I'm curious, what other problems are you having with your Edge, my brother was looking at those

bobman1235

Changing the oil filter thread size halfway through the model year is one of the more retarded things I've ever heard. Can't blame you for being pissed.

AudioGenics

Engineering at its finest.

Make Complicated when simple to increase profits at the expense
of the customer.

Short term business thinking

sucks2beme

What's worse? Having a f150 v8 and finding the most common damn
filter size out there out of stock everywhere close by every weekend.
I have learned to buy a couple at a time, and when the new stock comes
in to most stores. Planning ahead pays off in all things automotive.
Warning for all DIY guys, you can't change your ATF fluid and filter by
yourself any more on many cars.

Systems

I quite changing my oil years ago, I just have the dealerships do it where we bought our cars at. It costs us $25 and they give it a thorough once over...

It just isn't worth the hassle of doing it yourself anymore...yeah I know its enjoyable, get your hands dirty and all that:)

nooshinjohn

Lorthos wrote: »

I quite changing my oil years ago, I just have the dealerships do it where we bought our cars at. It costs us $25 and they give it a thorough once over...

It just isn't worth the hassle of doing it yourself anymore...yeah I know its enjoyable, get your hands dirty and all that:)

+1 to this, and if some moron leaves the tip of an oil gun in the engine on start-up.... it's on THEM!

MacLeod

The new design may be easier to get from F.O.R.D. next time.

Yeah, but its a pain to go there so Ill be buying Wix filters from Oreilly's until Ford starts selling the proper Motorcraft in stores. Motorcraft is actually excellent quality stuff and I would rather be using it but until they get them in Walmart ($3 instead of $11 at the dealer) Ill stick with the Wix. Im sure theyll have them out in stores within a few months. They sell all the other Motorcraft sizes in every auto parts stores now anyway.

The oil companies love people like you.

Youre right. Ive read thousands upon thousands of things out there saying 3,000 mile oil change intervals are overkill and I believe it but Ive had 3,000 mile OCI's drilled into my head since 1980 so it gives me a lot of peace of mind doing them that way. Besides, a 5 qt jug of Motorcraft 5w20 is only $11 so I dont mind spending $14 every 3 months to make myself feel like Im taking better care of my car.

I'm curious, what other problems are you having with your Edge, my brother was looking at those

- Front brake rotor warped within the 1st 1,000 miles for no good reason. Granted its pretty slight but I dont think it shouldve done it this soon.

- When accelerating from a stop or slow coast, you hear a "clunk" from up front somewhere. At first I thought it was a motor mount but just this morning it did it while I was coasting into a parking lot which makes me think something in the front suspension.

- Noticeable vibration thru the gas pedal at ONLY 1600-1700 RPM's. Nowhere else. Weird.

- AC is puny. It blows out around 48 degrees which is plenty cold but I suppose the design of the vents or something isnt right because it just doesnt work that well. It does work, just not as well as I think it should.

These are all minor problems I know but for a $30,000 car, I think it should be a little better built than this. My $18,000 Accord was as solid as a rock.

That being said, I DO recommend at least checking an Edge out. They are very comfortable, ride great and are a joy to take on a long trip. I do love mine I just wish the fit and finish was a lot better. So definitely check one out just make sure to go over it with a fine tooth comb and make sure the fit and finish is up to snuff.

I quite changing my oil years ago, I just have the dealerships do it where we bought our cars at. It costs us $25 and they give it a thorough once over...

It just isn't worth the hassle of doing it yourself anymore...yeah I know its enjoyable, get your hands dirty and all that

I totally understand. I do enjoy doing it myself (makes me feel all manly and stuff) but I do get tired of spending 30 minutes trying to scrub oil off my hands. My Honda dealership had a separate building just for oil changes and got you in and out in 20 minutes for $30 so I got mine changed there with my Accord. My Ford dealership isnt quite as convenient though. I do get free oil changes every 7,500 miles so I plan on doing them every 3,000 miles myself because Im OCD about it, and then at 9000, 15000 and so on, Ill let the dealer do them for free and give it the once over.

disneyjoe7

Gee Ford still doing stuff like that...


My brother inlaw at the time, and I was working on his 69 Mustang power steering pump once. Do you know there was something different about his car that most didn't have, that pump was different, the mounting was changed. We must of look at 100 junk Fords looking for a pump like his that day. So it's funny Ford is still doing stuff like that...

But on the other hand a Wix filter is better, so in the end it's good.

ViperZ

Sorry about your luck, but I'd blame you for not doing the research. You bought a new car and had a surprise.

Guys on motorcycle forums usually put some lame-@ss picture saying 'cool post, dude'.

NJPOLKER

Ford stock is doing well. Donald Trump told me that it is a risky investment two years ago. It is doing well enough right now that it may pay for one of my children's college education, hopefully at Clemson University but thats up to him.

nooshinjohn

ViperZ wrote: »

Sorry about your luck, but I'd blame you for not doing the research.....

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


Somehow I doubt any online research or asking the salesman if they changed the thread pattern on the oil filter would have yielded any answers other than "How the hell am I supposed to know".;)

exalted512

ViperZ wrote: »

Sorry about your luck, but I'd blame you for not doing the research. You bought a new car and had a surprise.

Guys on motorcycle forums usually put some lame-@ss picture saying 'cool post, dude'.

Seriously? So every time you buy a part for your vehicle, much less something as common as a oil filter, you check and see if the part is the same across the entire production year? Yeah...right...
-Cody

AsSiMiLaTeD

nooshinjohn wrote: »

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


Somehow I doubt any online research or asking the salesman if they changed the thread pattern on the oil filter would have yielded any answers other than "How the hell am I supposed to know".;)

Agreed

disneyjoe7

nooshinjohn wrote: »

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


Somehow I doubt any online research or asking the salesman if they changed the thread pattern on the oil filter would have yielded any answers other than "How the hell am I supposed to know".;)

Agreed also, if I remember correctly the power steering pump was built in Canada most other Fords we found was built in USA. That was the problem, why wouldn't an auto store know this fact by the VIN? What are we the first one too know.

MrNightly

I personally love what Ford has done to its lineup. It can't think of another brand I would buy right now. Plus, they didn't accept a penny from the government and are turning around their image all by themselves... image that

I just don't like the way the Edge looks... but that's me. Not really into crossovers. Car's or Truck... no "Crucks" please

Erik Tracy

Even Jiffy Lube is slow.

When I was lazy, I took my car a couple of times to Jiffy Lube for their supposed 15-minute oil & lube change offers.

I'd get the tech 'tuff sale' for changing out my transmission fluid, etc and then I'd watch the 'shop cam' as the techs would stand around futzin' so my 15 minute lube would end up being more like 1 hr.

Never again...

bobman1235

An HOUR? I've never spent more than 15 minutes at one of those Jiffy Lube places. The Valvoline place near me is very efficient and while pushing all of the other maintenance stuff is annoying they don't ever argue when I say "no."

I do all my own care work, within reason, but oil changes... it's both cheaper and much quicker to have it done somewhere else.

wz2p7j

MacLeod wrote: »

Well 3000 miles finally ticked off so I was going to change the oil in my 2010 Edge. Picked up some 5w20 Motorcraft and Motorcraft filter and got to it. Dumped the oil and unscrewed the filter and tried to put the new one on. Wouldnt fit. Got online and double checked. Yeah, FL400S. Thats the right one. But after some digging I learn that Ford, in all their wisdom, decided to change the filter thread size in the middle of the year. If your Edge was built after January, it uses a different size. Great.

So I wait til the wife gets home, jump in her car and head out to Advance Auto Parts. None in stock. On to Autozone. None in stock. This goes on for a while.

So I get home at 10 PM after hitting every auto parts store in town including 2 Walmarts with no filter and so my car sits in the garage with no oil. There is an Oreilly's about 20 miles down the road that has a Wix thatll fit so Ill be there bright and early in the morning.

This is the stupidest bunch of **** Ive ever seen. Just another in a long line of disappointments in my new Ford purchase. I shoulda stuck with Honda. I got half a mind to return the Motorcraft oil and buy some Penzoil instead just cause I hate the idea of supporting Ford any more.

OK, I feel better now.

Four hours to do an oil change??

Suggest you stick with your day job!! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Chris

BIZILL

you retarded chris, or was that some lame attempt at being sarcastic?

wz2p7j

BIZILL wrote: »

you retarded chris, or was that some lame attempt at being sarcastic?

Bizbill - ME retarded, I don't think so. The FL400S filter was never used in a 2010 Ford Edge application. The FL500 series was introduced in the late 2009 model run and carried over with the 2010 models. Ford makes this very clear in their on line parts catalogue:

http://www.fordparts.com/Commerce/CatalogResults.aspx?y=2009&m=Ford&mo=Edge#&&/wEXAQUHaGlzdG9yeQUEdHJ1ZbeJQwrDnn1brKWLK+LH7viyyDAr

I understand the author's frustration with the project but don't get the "it's all Ford's fault" tone when it seems his own lack of research resulted in the problem.

Chris

MacLeod

wz2p7j wrote: »

Bizbill - ME retarded, I don't think so. The FL400S filter was never used in a 2010 Ford Edge application. The FL500 series was introduced in the late 2009 model run and carried over with the 2010 models. Ford makes this very clear in their on line parts catalogue:

http://www.fordparts.com/Commerce/CatalogResults.aspx?y=2009&m=Ford&mo=Edge#&&/wEXAQUHaGlzdG9yeQUEdHJ1ZbeJQwrDnn1brKWLK+LH7viyyDAr

I understand the author's frustration with the project but don't get the "it's all Ford's fault" tone when it seems his own lack of research resulted in the problem.

Chris

Excuse the hell out of me for not doing 4 hours research on something as simple and routine as an oil filter. Everytime I buy a new car, they never have that year model in any of the catalogs when I go look for a filter. So I just look at the previous years and if they have the same engine, itll take the same filter. Hasnt failed me in 20 years. So I figured when the 2007, 2008 and 2009 models with the EXACT SAME ENGINE used a certain filter that the 2010 model with the EXACT SAME ENGINE would use the same filter. Seems like a logical conclusion.

But that wasnt even the hang up. I couldve easily gone down to my local part store 1/4 down the road and got the right one but thats just it - nobody had them! That was the problem, having to drive all over town trying to find a filter that would fit because Ford only sells them at the dealership (at 3x the price). THATS what took so long and thats what pissed me off.

So yeah its Ford's fault. Not only for changing out a filter in the middle of a model year for no good reason, but especially by NOT selling that filter in any stores. So if youre going to pull a fast one on your customers, at least give them a fighting chance and let Walmart and other autoparts stores stock the new filter right next to the other 1,000 Motorcraft filters.

And also, who the hell goes to the Ford online parts catalog for a freaking oil filter? :rolleyes:

wz2p7j

MacLeod wrote: »

Excuse the hell out of me for not doing 4 hours research on something as simple and routine as an oil filter. Everytime I buy a new car, they never have that year model in any of the catalogs when I go look for a filter. So I just look at the previous years and if they have the same engine, itll take the same filter. Hasnt failed me in 20 years. So I figured when the 2007, 2008 and 2009 models with the EXACT SAME ENGINE used a certain filter that the 2010 model with the EXACT SAME ENGINE would use the same filter. Seems like a logical conclusion.

But that wasnt even the hang up. I couldve easily gone down to my local part store 1/4 down the road and got the right one but thats just it - nobody had them! That was the problem, having to drive all over town trying to find a filter that would fit because Ford only sells them at the dealership (at 3x the price). THATS what took so long and thats what pissed me off.

So yeah its Ford's fault. Not only for changing out a filter in the middle of a model year for no good reason, but especially by NOT selling that filter in any stores. So if youre going to pull a fast one on your customers, at least give them a fighting chance and let Walmart and other autoparts stores stock the new filter right next to the other 1,000 Motorcraft filters.

And also, who the hell goes to the Ford online parts catalog for a freaking oil filter? :rolleyes:

OK -whatever

First of all, the running change was made in model year 2009 and you own a 2010 vehicle.

Secondly, you just assumed the 09 part number would fit your 2010 vehicle.

Thirdly, there are other filters that are equivalent to the FL500 series that Autozone and Advance Auto Parts normally carry but apparently your local stores did not.

Laughably, this is somehow all Ford's fault. But somehow Honda is better.

Go to Ford.com and you will see links that would have taken you straight to the right info about your filter.

Go to Honda.com - no such thing, my friend. :cool::cool:

I know I'm beating you up, I'm sorry :D Shoot me a PM - I'll buy you a beer some time :D

Chris

nooshinjohn

Are we discussin' Spearker Cables or oil filters here... I forgot!:D;):p

wz2p7j

Pretty funny

My bad - I'll clam up on this issue :D

But I really think the Motorcraft filter will provide maybe 5 more horsepower than, say, the Fram filter :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Chris

ViperZ

exalted512 wrote: »

Seriously? So every time you buy a part for your vehicle, much less something as common as a oil filter, you check and see if the part is the same across the entire production year? Yeah...right...
-Cody

Cody, actually I do. My car (300m) was manufactured from 1999 to 2004, but was changed pretty drastically in 2002 (and my car is 2002).

disneyjoe7

This is an easy fix...

Stop using anything other then a Napa store. Don't buy dino oil from anyone, why because not using it your engine lives longer. Autozone type of stores don't sell anything but dino oil.

What do I buy at Autozone maybe car wash stuff that's it. I hate everything they sell oil, filters, starters, alternators, heck anything behind the counter.

bigaudiofanatic

MacLeod wrote: »

I shoulda stuck with Honda.

OK, I feel better now.

Best part of that entire post. I will never go to ford.