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dcarlson
dcarlson Posts: 1,740
edited November 2004 in Vintage Speakers
I happily picked up some SDA-2A's over the weekend and they're in fantastic condition. Should I be concerned with some bubbling on one of the passive radiators?

They sound great, better so on my tube amp, and for the price WELL worth the trip.
SDA-2a, Anthem Pre-2L, Anthem Amp 1, MF A324 DAC, Rotel RCD1070

Senn HD650 Cardas, Mapletree Audio Ear+ HD2, Kimber KS1030, Bel Canto DAC2, M-Audio Transit, Laptop.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited November 2004
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    No, don't worry about it.

    Start looking for a replacement PR simply for aesthetics.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • dcarlson
    dcarlson Posts: 1,740
    edited November 2004
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    Cool.
    SDA-2a, Anthem Pre-2L, Anthem Amp 1, MF A324 DAC, Rotel RCD1070

    Senn HD650 Cardas, Mapletree Audio Ear+ HD2, Kimber KS1030, Bel Canto DAC2, M-Audio Transit, Laptop.
  • Pauly
    Pauly Posts: 4,519
    edited November 2004
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    damn i just sold my PR's from my SDA2b's. Sorry
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  • dcarlson
    dcarlson Posts: 1,740
    edited November 2004
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    Thanks for the thought but no worries. :)
    SDA-2a, Anthem Pre-2L, Anthem Amp 1, MF A324 DAC, Rotel RCD1070

    Senn HD650 Cardas, Mapletree Audio Ear+ HD2, Kimber KS1030, Bel Canto DAC2, M-Audio Transit, Laptop.
  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,522
    edited November 2004
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    Very nice, good grab!
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  • faster100
    faster100 Posts: 6,124
    edited November 2004
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    My 1B's have some bubbles, no where near that size but they work fine i assume.. just looks as noted above...
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    Sherwood sd871 dvd
    Rotel 1075 amp x5
    LSI15 mains
    LsiC center
    LSIfx surround backs
    Lsi7 side surrounds
    SVS pb12/plus2


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    nad 1020 Pre-amp
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    Signal cable IC
  • gidrah
    gidrah Posts: 3,049
    edited November 2004
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    Bubbles are like black mold. Once they start in a spot, they will take over your entire house and everybody living there will die. I happen to be immune (I got my bubble shots years ago) and will be glad to take them off your hands free of charge. See how nice I am? I could even reimburse for shipping after I quarentine them.

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  • dcarlson
    dcarlson Posts: 1,740
    edited November 2004
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    I like them with the grills on anyway. :)

    I had a good buddy come over for some beers last night and I lost count as to how many times he mentioned the SDA's sound HUGE. Lol.

    It's been a week since I picked them up and absolutely love them. Now, I just have to keep and eye out for some bigger ones.
    SDA-2a, Anthem Pre-2L, Anthem Amp 1, MF A324 DAC, Rotel RCD1070

    Senn HD650 Cardas, Mapletree Audio Ear+ HD2, Kimber KS1030, Bel Canto DAC2, M-Audio Transit, Laptop.
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,794
    edited November 2004
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    Derick........:D

    Glad to see you're getting your SDA on.
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited November 2004
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    Congrats dc...

    Whacha got driven' 'em... the Dyna?
    More later,
    Tour...
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  • dcarlson
    dcarlson Posts: 1,740
    edited November 2004
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    Thanks,

    I have the Musical Fidelity integrated and the Dynaco. With the Dynaco the SDA's sound fantastic.
    SDA-2a, Anthem Pre-2L, Anthem Amp 1, MF A324 DAC, Rotel RCD1070

    Senn HD650 Cardas, Mapletree Audio Ear+ HD2, Kimber KS1030, Bel Canto DAC2, M-Audio Transit, Laptop.
  • TAB
    TAB Posts: 41
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    Your pucker factor is not as high as mine. :-)

    I purchased a pair of SDA 2B's off ebay a few months ago. I got them for around $180 including shipping and they work great. The only reason I can tell that they went that cheap is that one of the speakers has a high pucker factor on the PR (see attached photo). Doesn't seem to affect the performance, so I'm a very happy camper. I've thought about trying to remove the outer layer and fixing the bubbles, but if it ain't broke............
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    Sony SLV-678HF (VHS 2)
    Pioneer PL-L800 (Turntable)
    Sony TC-WR701ES (Twin Cass. Deck)
    Technics SH-8066 (EQ)
    POLK SDA SRS (Front)
    POLK Monitor 5B (Surr.)
    POLK CS-245 (Center)
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    Carver C-5 (Preamp)
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    Sony CDP-C85ES (CD)
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  • TAB
    TAB Posts: 41
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    Photo of PR:
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    Carver TFM-55X (Amp for drivers)
    Carver TFM-55 (Amp for tweeters)
    Sony DVP-S530D (DVD)
    Sony CDP-302 (CD)
    Sony SLV-595HF (VHS 1)
    Sony SLV-678HF (VHS 2)
    Pioneer PL-L800 (Turntable)
    Sony TC-WR701ES (Twin Cass. Deck)
    Technics SH-8066 (EQ)
    POLK SDA SRS (Front)
    POLK Monitor 5B (Surr.)
    POLK CS-245 (Center)
    [2 CH]
    Carver C-5 (Preamp)
    Carver M-400t (Amp)
    Sony CDP-C85ES (CD)
    Technics SH-8055 (EQ)
    POLK SDA 1B
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,794
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    This pucker effect is interesting. I'm thinking one could use a heat gun set on low to melt the exsisting glue and then reattach the disc again. If you decide to repair yours, please post the results.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited November 2004
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    It is interesting... delamination of one or more of the outer layers?

    Wonder if Mr Swauger has any **** on the cause and the fix, if any...

    EDIT: E-mailed Ken a link to this thread...
    More later,
    Tour...
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    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner

    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,794
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    Did you ask him about getting the puck out?
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited November 2004
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    As in... "Make like a hockey player..."??? ;)

    No, but you just did...
    More later,
    Tour...
    Vox Copuli
    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner

    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
  • dcarlson
    dcarlson Posts: 1,740
    edited November 2004
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    Originally posted by Tour2ma
    As in... "Make like a hockey player..."??? ;)

    No, but you just did...
    :D:D:D

    Tab, sounds like a great deal. The one you posted looks to be in good shape. How do you like them?
    SDA-2a, Anthem Pre-2L, Anthem Amp 1, MF A324 DAC, Rotel RCD1070

    Senn HD650 Cardas, Mapletree Audio Ear+ HD2, Kimber KS1030, Bel Canto DAC2, M-Audio Transit, Laptop.
  • TAB
    TAB Posts: 41
    edited November 2004
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    dcarlson,

    I have had Polk Audio speakers for decades (Monitor 5's and 10's), but this is the first pair of SDA's I have purchased. I liked the SDA 2's so well I purchased a pair of SDA 1B's shortly after. The SDA 1's I purchased do not have the high pucker factor. :-)

    F1nut, I had given some thought to your idea of a heat gun only in the form of a hair dryer. The whole disc is coming loose........not in layers..........I'll try to post a photo later.
    [HOME THEATRE]
    35" SonyTrinitron
    Sony STR-DA90ESG (AVR)
    Carver TFM-55X (Amp for drivers)
    Carver TFM-55 (Amp for tweeters)
    Sony DVP-S530D (DVD)
    Sony CDP-302 (CD)
    Sony SLV-595HF (VHS 1)
    Sony SLV-678HF (VHS 2)
    Pioneer PL-L800 (Turntable)
    Sony TC-WR701ES (Twin Cass. Deck)
    Technics SH-8066 (EQ)
    POLK SDA SRS (Front)
    POLK Monitor 5B (Surr.)
    POLK CS-245 (Center)
    [2 CH]
    Carver C-5 (Preamp)
    Carver M-400t (Amp)
    Sony CDP-C85ES (CD)
    Technics SH-8055 (EQ)
    POLK SDA 1B
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,794
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    TAB, roger that.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • TAB
    TAB Posts: 41
    edited November 2004
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    OK, I got energetic tonight and removed the PR. I took the following photo showing how the disc is peeling off. I might try heating it with a hair dryer to see what happens. Anyone have any suggestions as to what glue I should use once I remove the disc?
    [HOME THEATRE]
    35" SonyTrinitron
    Sony STR-DA90ESG (AVR)
    Carver TFM-55X (Amp for drivers)
    Carver TFM-55 (Amp for tweeters)
    Sony DVP-S530D (DVD)
    Sony CDP-302 (CD)
    Sony SLV-595HF (VHS 1)
    Sony SLV-678HF (VHS 2)
    Pioneer PL-L800 (Turntable)
    Sony TC-WR701ES (Twin Cass. Deck)
    Technics SH-8066 (EQ)
    POLK SDA SRS (Front)
    POLK Monitor 5B (Surr.)
    POLK CS-245 (Center)
    [2 CH]
    Carver C-5 (Preamp)
    Carver M-400t (Amp)
    Sony CDP-C85ES (CD)
    Technics SH-8055 (EQ)
    POLK SDA 1B
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,794
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    Good question, I'm thinking Aleene's Original "Tacky" Glue. I use it for gluing new leather desk tops, etc. It dries clear and stays flexible.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • TAB
    TAB Posts: 41
    edited November 2004
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    Here is a photo of the PR and the disc after removal. As you can see, there is a triangular portion at the bottom of the PR where the glue wasn't sticking. The disc appears to be distorted, but I was very careful in removing it and I think it will glue back flat......hair dryer works great, btw. I discovered a piece of tape covering the hole in the center of the PR.
    [HOME THEATRE]
    35" SonyTrinitron
    Sony STR-DA90ESG (AVR)
    Carver TFM-55X (Amp for drivers)
    Carver TFM-55 (Amp for tweeters)
    Sony DVP-S530D (DVD)
    Sony CDP-302 (CD)
    Sony SLV-595HF (VHS 1)
    Sony SLV-678HF (VHS 2)
    Pioneer PL-L800 (Turntable)
    Sony TC-WR701ES (Twin Cass. Deck)
    Technics SH-8066 (EQ)
    POLK SDA SRS (Front)
    POLK Monitor 5B (Surr.)
    POLK CS-245 (Center)
    [2 CH]
    Carver C-5 (Preamp)
    Carver M-400t (Amp)
    Sony CDP-C85ES (CD)
    Technics SH-8055 (EQ)
    POLK SDA 1B
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,794
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    Hmmmm......very interesting. Another consideration might be 3M's spray adhesive.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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    President of Club Polk

  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited November 2004
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    Spray would certainly yield a nice thin layer.

    I'd think whatever is used, it had better not instantly bond. Looks like there will be a good deal of smoothing required to get the removed layer flat. No small task given that the surface still in place will be flexing as the smoothing takes place.

    On the other hand if it takes too long to set, the edge where you start could split/ pull out of position as you move along. I'm not picturing what you'd use other than the adhesive to hold the removed piece in place once you start, e.g., a clamp.

    What about a thin ribbon of the Aleene's in a small arc at the outer edge for starters, brushing on more as you go. Pause this when you get to 90 degrees or so, hit that segment with 3M and continue alternating adhesives to completion.
    More later,
    Tour...
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    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. - Old English Proverb

    "Death doesn't come with a Uhaul." - Dennis Gardner

    "It's easy to get lost in price vs performance vs ego vs illusion." - doro
    "There is a certain entertainment value in ripping the occaisonal (sic) buttmunch..." - TroyD
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,794
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    It's never a good idea to mix adhesives and you don't want any overspray from a product like 3M getting on the rubber surround. Aleene's will provide enough tack to hold it down after rubbing the outer surface (disc) with light pressure from a damp rag. The thing I like about Aleene's is if you don't get it right the first time you can remove the disc fairly easily and start again.

    BTW, a thin layer is all that's needed.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,576
    edited November 2004
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    Buy a new Peerless PR from Parts Express and forget about that damn thing.

    I replaced a PR in a friends SDA's, guessed the weight of the OG PR, pucked the new one....no problem. It may not sweep the same but he was happy.

    I'll look for the PR I used and post it later, I'm lazy tonight.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
  • TAB
    TAB Posts: 41
    edited November 2004
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    I reglued the thin foam disc back to the PR using contact adhesive...........see attached photos for the before and after shots. As you can see, my pucker factor was greatly reduced. :-)
    [HOME THEATRE]
    35" SonyTrinitron
    Sony STR-DA90ESG (AVR)
    Carver TFM-55X (Amp for drivers)
    Carver TFM-55 (Amp for tweeters)
    Sony DVP-S530D (DVD)
    Sony CDP-302 (CD)
    Sony SLV-595HF (VHS 1)
    Sony SLV-678HF (VHS 2)
    Pioneer PL-L800 (Turntable)
    Sony TC-WR701ES (Twin Cass. Deck)
    Technics SH-8066 (EQ)
    POLK SDA SRS (Front)
    POLK Monitor 5B (Surr.)
    POLK CS-245 (Center)
    [2 CH]
    Carver C-5 (Preamp)
    Carver M-400t (Amp)
    Sony CDP-C85ES (CD)
    Technics SH-8055 (EQ)
    POLK SDA 1B
  • TAB
    TAB Posts: 41
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    Closeup: High pucker factor before, pucker free after.
    [HOME THEATRE]
    35" SonyTrinitron
    Sony STR-DA90ESG (AVR)
    Carver TFM-55X (Amp for drivers)
    Carver TFM-55 (Amp for tweeters)
    Sony DVP-S530D (DVD)
    Sony CDP-302 (CD)
    Sony SLV-595HF (VHS 1)
    Sony SLV-678HF (VHS 2)
    Pioneer PL-L800 (Turntable)
    Sony TC-WR701ES (Twin Cass. Deck)
    Technics SH-8066 (EQ)
    POLK SDA SRS (Front)
    POLK Monitor 5B (Surr.)
    POLK CS-245 (Center)
    [2 CH]
    Carver C-5 (Preamp)
    Carver M-400t (Amp)
    Sony CDP-C85ES (CD)
    Technics SH-8055 (EQ)
    POLK SDA 1B
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,794
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    Ah, much better and thanks for posting the results.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk