Cambridge CXC Transport

verbverb Posts: 3,670
Ok so I've been intrigued by the concept of a CD Transport & DAC being separate components. Prior to joining this forum, I never thought about it. Newbies! :smile:

But, it makes sense to me now. Get a good transport, then DAC. Both components can be upgraded, or swapped independently, to get the improvement or synergy you desire.

In other words, a rabbit hole!

For my nearfield setup, I got this baby, currently connected to my Marantz AMP-1 via digital coax.

Dipping my toes in, I am intrigued! Playing with it right now. Another journey!

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Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, VTL 2.5 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
Office: PC, Cambridge CD transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer

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  • verbverb Posts: 3,670
    So tonight, Friday night I usually work my way to the basement, and fire up the big rig. But tonight, this CD transport and DAC combo has me a little mesmorized! Normally, I run the iTunes lossless format through the AMP-1, but the Cambridge through the same DAC, IMO, after some quick A/B comparisons, almost renders the PC to DAC, well, unlistenable.

    In fact, I went down to the basement to get some of my favorite CD's!

    Yeah I know alot has to do with the source format. Apple lossless, beginners, jeez! Can you say digital rabbit hole? :smile:

    But, for now, enjoying this little piece of gear! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, VTL 2.5 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Cambridge CD transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 10,163
    The problem is using a PC as a source. I rip CDs using Apple Lossless, and it sounds great on the Lumin.
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

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    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,493
    Ah, I see you got one of those Al Stewart collections I was talking about. And right below Alan Parsons. How appropriate. :)
  • verbverb Posts: 3,670
    BlueFox wrote: »
    The problem is using a PC as a source. I rip CDs using Apple Lossless, and it sounds great on the Lumin.

    Lumin? Please elaborate!
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, VTL 2.5 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Cambridge CD transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • verbverb Posts: 3,670
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Ah, I see you got one of those Al Stewart collections I was talking about. And right below Alan Parsons. How appropriate. :)

    Yeah good stuff. In fact you inspired me to get the Al Stewart collection! For that, thank you sir! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, VTL 2.5 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Cambridge CD transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 10,163
    verb wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    The problem is using a PC as a source. I rip CDs using Apple Lossless, and it sounds great on the Lumin.

    Lumin? Please elaborate!

    Lumin is a manufacturer of music file players. The S1 was the TOTL, but now is a little below the X1.

    http://www.luminmusic.com/lumin-s1.html
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • verbverb Posts: 3,670
    BlueFox wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    The problem is using a PC as a source. I rip CDs using Apple Lossless, and it sounds great on the Lumin.

    Lumin? Please elaborate!

    Lumin is a manufacturer of music file players. The S1 was the TOTL, but now is a little below the X1.

    http://www.luminmusic.com/lumin-s1.html

    Thank you sir! I'll check em out! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, VTL 2.5 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Cambridge CD transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 14,997
    Agree with Bud. A PC has no place in playback. I'm about to put in my initial order with Lumin. They are one of only a very few companies that hit my checklist.
    audiothesis.com/

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  • verbverb Posts: 3,670
    DSkip wrote: »
    Agree with Bud. A PC has no place in playback. I'm about to put in my initial order with Lumin. They are one of only a very few companies that hit my checklist.

    Thanks Skip. Another paradigm shattered! Of many since I've joined this forum! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, VTL 2.5 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Cambridge CD transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 4,249
    Another lunin fan here. I am running the D1 that just got replaced with the D2.
    Many tines a spinner is going to outperform a pc. I tried to get my pc to sound as good as a cd player playing through the same dac and the cd always won. When i went with a auduo streamer, the difference was huge.
    Lumin D1, KEF LS50 Wireless, Cayin scd-50T, LH Labs VI Dac, Technics 1200, Denon DL160, Jolida D9, HP I7 Laptop, Wireworld Eclipse 7, Wireworld Aurora, Wireworld Electra 7, Signal Magic Digital, Cardas Quadralink 5C, Velodyne SPL1200
    USB helpers: w4s Recovery

    HT: Elite SC27, Full Polk RTI setup.

  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,798
    The streamer vs. transport comparison is an interesting juxtaposition for me. On one hand a streamer with a nice interface, (remote control or tablet) combined with high quality WAV/FLAC rips stored somewhere is arguably the ultimate in convenience. Even more so when combined with a lossless streaming service such as Tidal. A lot of people would refer to this as "CD quality" level playback, and might be hard pressed to identify a streamer playing a WAV file versus the same song being played from a CD.

    On the other hand you have the dedicated disc transport and external DAC. I don't think anyone could make the argument that swapping CDs is in any way more convenient. However, I think there's something to be said for the audio quality obtained when using this method. It's irrational, but in my head it feels "better". Something about the fact that the data is being read off the disc "in that moment" and literally being transported out to the DAC.

    There's also the tangible aspect of "playing a disc" that is obviously lost with streamers. While the action of playing a CD is quite a bit less special than playing a vinyl record, there is still some ritual and routine to it. Something about handling that physical media and looking at the CD case and inserts/booklets. And, as Jesse will attest to, the feeling of satisfaction and pride of ownership that come with purchasing music on physical media. You own that music, even if all the streaming services shut down and your hard drives and streamer go belly up for some reason.

    Anyway, it's a fun discussion topic I think. I personally tend to gravitate toward the transport and DAC approach, just because when I do the majority of my critical listening, I'd like to listen to an album from start to finish if possible and make an event out of it. Not to say the same approach can't be done with streamers, but I think when you have nearly every song at your fingertips, your attention span can wander. I think that must be why I like putting on a CD or record and fully committing my attention to that listening experience.
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  • verbverb Posts: 3,670
    erniejade wrote: »
    Another lunin fan here. I am running the D1 that just got replaced with the D2.
    Many tines a spinner is going to outperform a pc. I tried to get my pc to sound as good as a cd player playing through the same dac and the cd always won. When i went with a auduo streamer, the difference was huge.

    He EAD is destined for the basement rig. Perhaps replacing the Marantz CD player. I’ve got an essence DAC right now, but we’ll see!
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, VTL 2.5 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Cambridge CD transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • verbverb Posts: 3,670
    So after a few days with this transport, I'm getting intermittent "skipping" and other issues on the CD's that previously played fine before. Same CD's play fine on my other players. CD's are clean, no issues there.

    Since this is a "factory refurbished" unit that I bought from the Cambridge Store on eBay, I only have a 30-day return guarantee.

    Any ideas?

    Funny as I'm typing this, track 9 of Al Stewart's "Zero She Flies" is starting to freak out! Skipping, scratchy sounds, short gaps of silence, etc.

    Disappointed to say the least. I was really liking the way this transport sounds!
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, VTL 2.5 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Cambridge CD transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • verbverb Posts: 3,670
    edited November 7
    Another observation, when a track goes through the cycle of scratchy sounds & short gaps of silence, the timer on the display stops, until the music starts to play again.

    And, this issue appears to exhibit itself after a couple of hours of continued use.
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, VTL 2.5 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Cambridge CD transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 4,249
    Sounds like a bad laser.
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    USB helpers: w4s Recovery

    HT: Elite SC27, Full Polk RTI setup.

  • verbverb Posts: 3,670
    So after I popped out the Al Stewart CD, I put Howard Jones back in that I played about an hour ago. Voila! Same issue now.
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, VTL 2.5 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Cambridge CD transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,798
    Time to return it. Sorry bud.
    Got Dayens?
  • verbverb Posts: 3,670
    Yep. No worries.
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, VTL 2.5 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Cambridge CD transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 709
    Fudge it to dern
  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,236
    My Sony does that. It's very picky about discs. I'm gonna try cleaning the laser to see if that'll help, might work for you too. :)
    Micah

    Main system: Technics SL3200, Shure M97xE, Lafayette LR1100 for tuner, Hagerman Audio Labs Bugle 2 phono stage, NAD C352 integrated, Boston Acoustics VR 2, Boston PV500, generic ICs, and BJC Belden speaker cables.

    Desktop: Dell Precision 690 running iTunes, Yamaha RX-v665, Monitor Audio R90s, Velodyne VA-907, generic ICs and speaker cables.
    I've always thought the goal of high-end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.
  • verbverb Posts: 3,670
    edited November 10
    So I decided to go a slightly different route on the CD Transport. Just pulled the trigger on the Marantz CD-1. This will be a nice match to my AMP-1. Can't wait! :smile:

    My time with the Cambridge was, well, met with mixed results. It did enlighten me about the whole PC-DAC setup, which is another journey. But for now, the Transport-DAC setup is the way to go!

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    BTW, as I was posting this, the Cambridge starting acting up again! Sending it back for a full refund.
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, VTL 2.5 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Cambridge CD transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,493
    ^^^^ Your song is playing. How nice.

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  • verbverb Posts: 3,670
    Viking64 wrote: »
    ^^^^ Your song is playing. How nice.

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    A Howard Jones lovin Pug! Cool! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, VTL 2.5 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Cambridge CD transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 709
    That Marantz is beautiful
    Congrats bro!
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,493
    edited November 10
    verb wrote: »

    A Howard Jones lovin Pug! Cool! :smile:
    I just called Mister Pugjangles on the Pug Phone and he thinks Howard Jones may have had ONE song he heard twice in the 80s, but he isn't sure. :* :D
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,798
    verb wrote: »
    So I decided to go a slightly different route on the CD Transport. Just pulled the trigger on the Marantz CD-1. This will be a nice match to my AMP-1. Can't wait! :smile:

    Interesting replacement choice as it has it's own DAC.
    Got Dayens?
  • verbverb Posts: 3,670
    Clipdat wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    So I decided to go a slightly different route on the CD Transport. Just pulled the trigger on the Marantz CD-1. This will be a nice match to my AMP-1. Can't wait! :smile:

    Interesting replacement choice as it has it's own DAC.

    Yep. My intention is to use it as a transport, but be flexible enough to move it to another system.
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, VTL 2.5 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Cambridge CD transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,798
    I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on it's internal DAC performance vs the one inside the AMP-1 as they are from different chipset manufacturers.
    Got Dayens?
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