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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,956
    edited October 18
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Dammint Jim, I want answers not a bunch of drivel.(in my very best McCoy impersonation, which sucks btw)

    HAHAHAHA But.....John......why? (Wiggles toupee.)

    I wasn't told why, but based on what I have seen and read about the moon missions, I would guess that there was some kind of evidence that we weren't the first to explore the moon. I would like to believe that, anyway. :)
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Dammint Jim, I want answers not a bunch of drivel.(in my very best McCoy impersonation, which sucks btw)

    HAHAHAHA But.....John......why? (Wiggles toupee.)

    I wasn't told why, but based on what I have seen and read about the moon missions, I would guess that there was some kind of evidence that we weren't the first to explore the moon. I would like to believe that, anyway. :)

    One word short answer is....Aliens. To think with all the billions of planets out there, that we are the only intelligent life is to me a bit short sighted. If one can in fact consider our species "intelligent", because at times I wonder that myself.

    I believe we already know that, but it's kept under wraps because it would throw the religious aspect for many into a frenzy. Think about that, what if every aspect of the various religions all over the world were suddenly debunked. Religions have been used all through out history and even today, to control people. You lose that control and chaos ensues.

    Some would even suggest that if faith is debunked, God himself considered to be nothing more than alien entities, then the founding principles of our own country are also debunked, irrelevant, throwing our own social order upside down. How would government handle that ?
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  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 2,152
    I have read before that the astronauts got a whole new perspective of what Earth and its place in the universe actually is when they went to the moon. Probably one of those things where the full impact is impossible to know until it is experienced first hand. Anyway, this is a page for kids from NASA showing how far away our moon really is from Earth (to earthbound people it looks like it is much closer)...

    https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/moon-distance/en/
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,956
    Yep, our planet is like a grain of sand on a beach when compared to the vastness of space. If our whole planet blew up tomorrow, the universe wouldn't even notice, much less care.
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  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,515
    tonyb wrote: »
    One word short answer is....Aliens. To think with all the billions of planets out there, that we are the only intelligent life is to me a bit short sighted. If one can in fact consider our species "intelligent", because at times I wonder that myself.

    I believe we already know that, but it's kept under wraps because it would throw the religious aspect for many into a frenzy. Think about that, what if every aspect of the various religions all over the world were suddenly debunked. Religions have been used all through out history and even today, to control people. You lose that control and chaos ensues.

    Some would even suggest that if faith is debunked, God himself considered to be nothing more than alien entities, then the founding principles of our own country are also debunked, irrelevant, throwing our own social order upside down. How would government handle that ?

    I agree that with the vastness of space, there obviously has to be life out there. The problem is, as recent as a few hundred years ago, mankind had very little understanding of how the universe, our solar system, and even our own planet, was comprised. And as science learns more, the common man isn't quick to follow that understanding.

    As with many issues, there is always the argument that either A is correct or B is correct, and that proof of A disproves B, and vice versa. What if certain aspects of A are true, certain aspects of B are true, but then there is C, D, E, F, 352 different alphabets, eleventeen trillion donkey lasers, and transmogrifying wormhole cantilevers? In other words, we know much less than we as a race will ever admit, and mankind, with his penchant for manipulating others to satisfy his own greed or ego, would never admit to not knowing everything. o:) + control = $$$

    So, I don't believe that the existence of aliens debunks religion. It just changes the scope of things, and their relation to each other, as compared to how it was seen 500 years ago, or 50 years ago, or 5 years ago. God is just much, much greater than he has been given credit for and we know much, much less about him than we realize or care to admit.

    Starting in the 1940s, the U.S. government was concerned that aliens/UFOs quite possibly posed a threat to national security. They don't want us believing that they don't have any given situation under control, for fear of panic. Just consider Orson Welles' 1938 radio broadcast of "War of the Worlds". So we have several reasons for keeping everything under wraps, as well as the A/B issue of religion, science, sports rivalries, and the great tube/solid state wars of the 21st century.
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,515
    tonyb wrote: »
    Yep, our planet is like a grain of sand on a beach when compared to the vastness of space. If our whole planet blew up tomorrow, the universe wouldn't even notice, much less care.

    This may be true, unless we consider the possibility that aliens might think humans might someday discover nuclear weapons and the technology with which to take those weapons through space (or wormholes to distant galaxies) and use them on other planets/solar systems and the fine folks who just happen to be chilling there. Although, we know we would never do that and that has never happened before and none of that stuff is possible because we would already know how to do it because we have reached the pinnacle of technology with iPhones and 4K Ultra-HD OLEDs. :p
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 6,283
    edited October 18
    It is hard to think our world was in the dark ages just a blink in time of mankind being able to use a wheel or bake bread from wheat. Thousands of years of not knowing much to almost understanding the way the Universe exists. I think it's something that we can't see where the Universe ends. It just keeps going in all directions. There's got to be, or maybe not, other intelligent life on other planets. Maybe we ARE the only BEINGS to have come this far intellectually.

    It amazes me how far we've progressed technology wise since July 1947. ;)

    Now that religion has been introduced. How do we explain the scene of when I was younger, I saw a white cloud come from behind my right shoulder and quickly fill a room and then my Aunt bowed her head and spoke in tongue. Then the cloud dissipated back behind my right shoulder from where it came. When it was gone, my Aunt lifted her head back up and snapped out of a trance like state. She had been witnessed speaking in tongue before because she asked "did I do it again?" My mom was there too and she and my Aunt didn't see the solid white cloud but I sure did. o:) :o . I never asked my mom about that afternoon ever. I wish I had before she passed. But I don't think she saw it or she might've changed her ways.

    That can't be an ALIEN thing I don't think. That has to be a religious thing since it's written about in the BIBLE. I don't know about other religions having white clouds at moments of intervention episodes. My Aunt was VERY religious and a Baptist I believe. She definitely had the POWER! o:)

    I can remember that scene like it was just this morning but it happened 49 years ago. ;) B)
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  • tophatjohnnytophatjohnny Posts: 2,008
    F1nut wrote: »
    Yet another film that will never see one cent from me.

    Amen!!
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  • Jimbo18Jimbo18 Posts: 1,843
    F1nut wrote: »
    Yet another film that will never see one cent from me.

    Amen!!

    There ya go, bringing religion into it again!
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  • Dennis GardnerDennis Gardner Posts: 4,756
    Planting the flag wouldn't be a big thing at all if there were a number of countries that achieved the task. If I recall, we are still on the short list.......
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  • verbverb Posts: 3,681
    Aliens on earth? Time to call Frank! :smile:
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