Which 230W vintage Speakers can you recommend?


I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P2201 amp 230W per channel but I don't have any speakers that can take that much power....

I have the following speakers:

Pioneer HPM-110 110W (For sale £700)
Kef Concerto 44W
Ditton 44 44W

Soon will getting Yamaha NS-1000 100W.

Please recommend speakers of high sound quality that can take 230W.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,919
    Your amplifier doesn't throw out it's rated 230 watts as soon as you turn it on. Amplifiers store power, for when called upon. It also doesn't mean you can bury the volume dial.

    Recommended watts on the back of speakers means very little too. Read up, plenty of good info right here on the forum.
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  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,236
    edited October 15
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.

    Yes it is.

    I’m going to go find some posts on speaker sensitivity and power, and I’ll be back.
    Nevermind, just remembered we already told you all of this.
    Micah

    Main system: Technics SL3200, Shure M97xE, Lafayette LR1100 for tuner, Hagerman Audio Labs Bugle 2 phono stage, NAD C352 integrated, Boston Acoustics VR 2, Boston PV500, generic ICs, and BJC Belden speaker cables.

    Desktop: Dell Precision 690 running iTunes, Yamaha RX-v665, Monitor Audio R90s, Velodyne VA-907, generic ICs and speaker cables.
    I've always thought the goal of high-end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.
  • g7traderg7trader Posts: 39
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    I thought mine was bottom of the range until you mentioned this.....

    Wait till I get Yamaha PC5002M 500WPC, 1500W in mono! 61KG beast, 2 mains power plugs.

    Then I'll be back here wondering which speakers can even handle 1500 watt....
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,919
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.

    Yes it is.

    Wrong....there is a difference between "twice as powerful" and "twice as loud". If you haven't figured out how power works in relation to speakers, your destined to blow a few drivers.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • g7traderg7trader Posts: 39

    I went from a Rotel RX602 (35WPC) to Rotel RX802 (50WPC) to Pioneer SA-9500 II (80WPC) toYamaha P2201 (230WPC).

    Every upgrade I felt led to more power alot more power.

    In fact I heard my Rotel RX-602 yesterday which I sold to my dad and I was wondering damn this sounds weak compared to my Yamaha P2201 very trebly even the midrange was weak and trebly even the bass sounded weak.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,919
    But it wasn't "twice as loud" though was it ?
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • g7traderg7trader Posts: 39
    tonyb wrote: »
    But it wasn't "twice as loud" though was it ?

    Dont know I dont put volumes on 100% full.

    But the sound is more powerful.

    I'm after power not loud or the one you can hear from furthest distance because I live in a house not needed for a music venue.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,919
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    But it wasn't "twice as loud" though was it ?

    Dont know I dont put volumes on 100% full.

    But the sound is more powerful.

    I'm after power not loud or the one you can hear from furthest distance because I live in a house not needed for a music venue.

    If you don't know, why would you agree that double the power would equal doubling the loudness ? Because it won't...….
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • g7traderg7trader Posts: 39
    tonyb wrote: »
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    But it wasn't "twice as loud" though was it ?

    Dont know I dont put volumes on 100% full.

    But the sound is more powerful.

    I'm after power not loud or the one you can hear from furthest distance because I live in a house not needed for a music venue.

    If you don't know, why would you agree that double the power would equal doubling the loudness ? Because it won't...….

    When did I ever say I was looking for LOUD ?
  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,236
    edited October 15
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.

    Yes it is.

    Here, you seemed to imply you wanted loud.
    Micah

    Main system: Technics SL3200, Shure M97xE, Lafayette LR1100 for tuner, Hagerman Audio Labs Bugle 2 phono stage, NAD C352 integrated, Boston Acoustics VR 2, Boston PV500, generic ICs, and BJC Belden speaker cables.

    Desktop: Dell Precision 690 running iTunes, Yamaha RX-v665, Monitor Audio R90s, Velodyne VA-907, generic ICs and speaker cables.
    I've always thought the goal of high-end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.
  • g7traderg7trader Posts: 39
    mlistens03 wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.

    Yes it is.

    Here, you seemed to imply you wanted loud.

    No I didn't. I said its twice as loud as his but nit that I was after loud.....
  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 2,236
    g7trader wrote: »
    mlistens03 wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.

    Yes it is.

    Here, you seemed to imply you wanted loud.

    No I didn't. I said its twice as loud as his but nit that I was after loud.....

    Know that now, but it seemed like you were saying otherwise. :)
    Micah

    Main system: Technics SL3200, Shure M97xE, Lafayette LR1100 for tuner, Hagerman Audio Labs Bugle 2 phono stage, NAD C352 integrated, Boston Acoustics VR 2, Boston PV500, generic ICs, and BJC Belden speaker cables.

    Desktop: Dell Precision 690 running iTunes, Yamaha RX-v665, Monitor Audio R90s, Velodyne VA-907, generic ICs and speaker cables.
    I've always thought the goal of high-end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,919
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am the proud owner of a Yamaha P1101 which is 115W. Your Yamaha P2201at 230W is TWICE AS LOUD! I envy you.

    No, it isn't.

    Yes it is.

    There ya go....you may not be looking for twice as loud, but you sure agreed that twice the power would equate to it.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 19,354
    edited October 15
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    where's that oligofacepalm meme when one needs it?

    EDIT: ahh, here we go...

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  • Look at it this way. Your 230 watt Yammie will deliver 115 watts of very clean power and leave it at that.
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 11,113
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    g7trader wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    But it wasn't "twice as loud" though was it ?

    Dont know I dont put volumes on 100% full.

    But the sound is more powerful.

    I'm after power not loud or the one you can hear from furthest distance because I live in a house not needed for a music venue.

    If you don't know, why would you agree that double the power would equal doubling the loudness ? Because it won't...….

    When did I ever say I was looking for LOUD ?

    Just what excatly ARE you looking for? I for one don't think you even have a clue.
    Have you ever belonged to other audio sites?
  • g7traderg7trader Posts: 39
    edited October 15
    [/quote]Just what excatly ARE you looking for? I for one don't think you even have a clue.
    Have you ever belonged to other audio sites?[/quote]

    Read the title.
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 11,113
    edited October 15


    Yes i read and understand just fine thank you.

    My amp puts out 375wpc I've used it on speakers only rated for far less than that was it a problem? NOPE!
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,919
    Speakers don't get recommended by the amount of watts an amp puts out. Just sayin'...your looking at this completely wrong.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 9,900
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    The things I have to do to make sure that twice as loud amp has good electrons fed to it.....
  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 4,656
    I am fairly certain that this is what having a stroke feels like.
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
  • g7traderg7trader Posts: 39
    edited October 15
    Ok lets all read the question I asked on this thread.

    No one answered it all I got was utter nonsense from all the regulars on this forum who are on here 24/7 bored and have got anything better to do.

    I thought AudioKarma was full of trolls but this forum is even worse its highly infected with trolls.
  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 9,900
    edited October 15
    ..
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 19,354
    The concept of troll symmetry.
  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 9,900
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 19,354
    lightman1 wrote: »
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  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 9,900
    I like your style Doc.....
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 19,354
    edited October 15
    ironically, we live in one of the few New England states that hasn't legalized the wacky terbacky.

    But Waiting for Columbus is still a heck of a rekkid -- IMO, the single best live rock record ever (overdubs notwithstanding).

    ... and I'll just leave you with this.



    :)
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