New to this and quite confused.

Hello guys, as i said in the title, im new to this. Im pretty confused on the speaker configuration and crossovers setup in the reciever. Ive read a lot of ways and honestly im even more confused lol.

So my equipment:

Polk S60 Front
Polk S35 Center
Polk S20 Surrounds
Polk HTS 10 Sub

Denon AVR-x3400H

14 gauge speaker cables.

All of this is in my bedroom 18Wx15Lx10H

Any help would really be appreciated.

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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 40,373
    S60's front left and right
    S35 center, in the middle of left and right fronts
    S20's rear left and right
    HTS 10 where it fits

    Run the calibration program. Set the fronts, center and rears to small. Set the crossover to the sub at 80Hz.
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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,589
    Those are nice mains and a LFE limited sub, and the AVR has pretty decent power driving relatively easy to drive speakers. So I would suggest trying @F1nut's suggestion, and then try setting the mains to large. That will take some strain off the subwoofer.

    How big is the room? And is that a picture of your setup?
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio Nova Integrated; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Emit 10 + MartinLogan Dynamo (original) sub; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - SVS PB10-ISD; LG UP870 4K BDP

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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 40,373
    then try setting the mains to large. That will take some strain off the subwoofer.

    The sub is still going to reproduce the full LFE. The reason for setting the speakers to small is to take the strain of reproducing the low frequencies off the AVR.
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  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,467
    Denon and Audyssey. Do what sir F1nut said, if it sounds a little hollow boost the sub by 3db. I went with 1.5 in two sections to find the sweet spot.

    Main menu "Audio" turn sub level adjust to on the go up by 1.5db

    Main menu "Speakers" level test tone add 1.5db to the sub there.

    Do the above ONLY if it sounds hollow or bass lacking.

    S60 do put out some bass so Audyssey takes away from the sub thinking the speakers will put that out. Going to small and C/O @ 80HZ some of the bass might be missing.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk T15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 2,767
    Plus the 2 large bass traps in the room aren't helping (doorways on either side of the tv)
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 14,867
    FestYboy wrote: »
    Plus the 2 large bass traps in the room aren't helping (doorways on either side of the tv)

    Bass traps in many ways actually IMPROVE bass. If you don't have bass in your room and you should, bass traps could be a viable option to actually bring bass back into the room.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • Hey thanks a lot. I ran the calibration program, it calculated all the distances but the crossovers, for what i read before, went completly crazy. Im kinda lost in the speaker crossover section. Put them all as small speakers, but dont know which crossover setting tu put them on. I have the speaker locations as you told me to btw, my profile picture is my actual setup.

    Thanks a lot.
    F1nut wrote: »
    S60's front left and right
    S35 center, in the middle of left and right fronts
    S20's rear left and right
    HTS 10 where it fits

    Run the calibration program. Set the fronts, center and rears to small. Set the crossover to the sub at 80Hz.

  • krazypolkkrazypolk Posts: 287
    jostomllo wrote: »
    Hey thanks a lot. I ran the calibration program, it calculated all the distances but the crossovers, for what i read before, went completly crazy. Im kinda lost in the speaker crossover section. Put them all as small speakers, but dont know which crossover setting tu put them on. I have the speaker locations as you told me to btw, my profile picture is my actual setup.

    Thanks a lot.
    F1nut wrote: »
    S60's front left and right
    S35 center, in the middle of left and right fronts
    S20's rear left and right
    HTS 10 where it fits

    Run the calibration program. Set the fronts, center and rears to small. Set the crossover to the sub at 80Hz.

    Looks great, I like them towers. It's a rather unique setup, I wouldn't change a thing.
  • Clipdat wrote: »
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    Any chance you could get your towers a little further apart, and also sitting on the ground instead of on tables? And the center channel closer to ear level?

    Also, I wouldn't recommend putting an AVR in an enclosed cubby like that. They need at least 6-10" above them to breathe.

    i wish i could, see, its on my bedroom, yeah crazy right? took the picture from my bed. Tried to angle the speakers the most i could to my listening position, which would be laying in my bed.

    If i sit them on the floor id be killing the lower part of them cause the bed is like right in the middle.

    On the avr, i agree with you, the thing is no more space, had to improvise that enclosed cubby, but its at least open back, ac on 100% of the time its on, thinking of putting a couple of fans in the back and on the side, like the ones used on old CPUs.

  • rooftop59 wrote: »
    Those are nice mains and a LFE limited sub, and the AVR has pretty decent power driving relatively easy to drive speakers. So I would suggest trying @F1nut's suggestion, and then try setting the mains to large. That will take some strain off the subwoofer.

    How big is the room? And is that a picture of your setup?


    Hey thanks a lot. Yeah, its my setup in the picture. my room is aproximately 18Wx15Lx10H, maybe a bit larger, couple of more feet Long and wide.

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  • krazypolkkrazypolk Posts: 287
    All you need is a fridge for some cold suds. That and maybe a bong or two. Cool layout
  • F1nut wrote: »
    then try setting the mains to large. That will take some strain off the subwoofer.

    The sub is still going to reproduce the full LFE. The reason for setting the speakers to small is to take the strain of reproducing the low frequencies off the AVR.

    Heres my main concern, usually where i get lost lol

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  • LOOOOL. Fridge is at a 7 second walk from my room. No bongs tho, lol. Thanks a lot!!!
    krazypolk wrote: »
    All you need is a fridge for some cold suds. That and maybe a bong or two. Cool layout

  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,712
    jostomllo wrote: »
    If i sit them on the floor id be killing the lower part of them cause the bed is like right in the middle.

    On the avr, i agree with you, the thing is no more space, had to improvise that enclosed cubby, but its at least open back, ac on 100% of the time its on, thinking of putting a couple of fans in the back and on the side, like the ones used on old CPUs.

    Putting the towers on the floor would enhance their performance versus how they are basically "floating" right now. Once they can couple to the floor, they will sound better.

    The fact that "bottom half" of the tower speaker would then be in front of your bed is a non-issue. Those are the woofers on the bottom, so it should not be very detrimental to have some of them firing and hitting the bed, as they'll mostly be doing low frequency work which is not super directional. Additionally, getting the towers lower will actually put their tweeter more at ear level if you are sitting on your bed, and that's what you want.

    Yeah, fans might help. I would try to stick my hand in there on the top vent to see how hot it's getting now. Ideally you'd remove that cubby piece and get the center channel again lower down so that it's tweeter is more level with your ears from your listening position.

    kr6iz4px53vj.jpg

    For these, try 80 for the towers, 80 for center, 100-120 for the surround.

    mqi5xe1114e0.jpg

    I'm not super familiar with Denon's setup menus but for Subwoofer Mode, I would set that to just "LFE" if possible, and then leave the Low Pass Filter at 80hz. That means anything below 80hz will be sent to the subwoofer, and as we set above, anything above 80hz will be sent to the towers and center.

    Other menu looks fine with the speakers set on small.

    Disclaimer: It's been a while since I set up an AVR so my suggestions might be off. Anyone feel free to jump in and correct me if necessary.
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  • Clipdat wrote: »
    jostomllo wrote: »
    If i sit them on the floor id be killing the lower part of them cause the bed is like right in the middle.

    On the avr, i agree with you, the thing is no more space, had to improvise that enclosed cubby, but its at least open back, ac on 100% of the time its on, thinking of putting a couple of fans in the back and on the side, like the ones used on old CPUs.

    Putting the towers on the floor would enhance their performance versus how they are basically "floating" right now. Once they can couple to the floor, they will sound better.

    The fact that "bottom half" of the tower speaker would then be in front of your bed is a non-issue. Those are the woofers on the bottom, so it should not be very detrimental to have some of them firing and hitting the bed, as they'll mostly be doing low frequency work which is not super directional. Additionally, getting the towers lower will actually put their tweeter more at ear level if you are sitting on your bed, and that's what you want.

    Yeah, fans might help. I would try to stick my hand in there on the top vent to see how hot it's getting now. Ideally you'd remove that cubby piece and get the center channel again lower down so that it's tweeter is more level with your ears from your listening position.

    kr6iz4px53vj.jpg

    For these, try 80 for the towers, 80 for center, 100-120 for the surround.

    mqi5xe1114e0.jpg

    I'm not super familiar with Denon's setup menus but for Subwoofer Mode, I would set that to just "LFE" if possible, and then leave the Low Pass Filter at 80hz. That means anything below 80hz will be sent to the subwoofer, and as we set above, anything above 80hz will be sent to the towers and center.

    Other menu looks fine with the speakers set on small.

    Disclaimer: It's been a while since I set up an AVR so my suggestions might be off. Anyone feel free to jump in and correct me if necessary.


    Thanks a lot. Im gonna try this. Ill try to incline a bit to the front the center channel, the thing with the tables is that im kinda low on space with the speakers. Under one of them is the sub, under the other one i have 2 apc ups (1500va) each. down here in Dominican Republic we get frequent power outages and just to keep it safe i got those. After that, i got no where else to put the speakers. the tables tho, i put rubber thingies in each leg to reduce vibrations and are custom made out of mahogany (pretty hard wood) just trying to get this fit in the small space i got. otherwise id have to put things in front of the doors. If the speakers werent so heavy to move id do it, but. Ill try and find a solution. Im usally laying down on my bed, maybe i can figure out how to safely incline the speakers and point them down to my hearing position. Its exactly what i did with the tv since its placed higher than where it should be, but its inclined perfectly to my viewing position. Again, thanks a lot for your help!!

  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,467
    edited September 28
    Setting to small and LFE+Main is good when set to small. LPF for LFE should be set to 120hz.

    Bummer you can't move the sub like next to the desk.

    I agree that AVR does get a tad warm.

    Maybe rearrange the the room if possible?
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk T15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • krazypolkkrazypolk Posts: 287
    krazypolk wrote: »
    All you need is a fridge for some cold suds. That and maybe a bong or two. Cool layout

    Did I mention I like beer?
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,254
    krazypolk wrote: »
    krazypolk wrote: »
    All you need is a fridge for some cold suds. That and maybe a bong or two. Cool layout

    Did I mention I like beer?

  • spongersponger Posts: 257
    edited September 30
    I think your AVR will work with the Mult EQ editor app for your mobile device. If you got an extra $20 to burn, you might give it a try. Download the free HEOS and Denon Remote Control apps while ur at it.

    Also, remember to turn off Dyn Vol and Dyn EQ at least for a little while to see how things sound without all the added compression. Another thing is that Dyn Vol has a tendency to kill off bass as it's intended to shaft the extreme lower and upper frequencies. Speaking of compression, turn off "restorer" too. It believe it defaults to level 1. What I'm saying is you might like the cleaner sound that you get as you approach pure direct conditions. Or, you can turn all of those loudness buttons back on if you like. Some people complain that the sound is "thin" without restorer this and dynamic that. But your ears will adapt to it and may even prefer it. The bass and treble knobs are unlocked when dyn eq and vol are off. I think they're accessible via the levels button on the remote.

    Another thing is that hearing dialogue might be a problem. Instead of using dialogue expander, which on the 3400h is just boosting the center channel, turn off dyn eq and leave dyn vol on. That sometimes solves the problem. Also, I hope you were using at least the cardboard mic stand that comes with the unit for calibration. Just saying. Friend of mine has the X4400H. I know the UI inside and out. It can be a fun little avr since it's got those quad DSPs. Remember to update firmware, and also btw it has pre-outs for an amp.
    Post edited by sponger on
    Denon AVR 3312CI
    S15
    Sony 790S
  • WOW!!! Amazing, thanks!!!

    mrloren wrote: »
    Setting to small and LFE+Main is good when set to small. LPF for LFE should be set to 120hz.

    Bummer you can't move the sub like next to the desk.

    I agree that AVR does get a tad warm.

    Maybe rearrange the the room if possible?
    mrloren wrote: »
    Setting to small and LFE+Main is good when set to small. LPF for LFE should be set to 120hz.

    Bummer you can't move the sub like next to the desk.

    I agree that AVR does get a tad warm.

    Maybe rearrange the the room if possible?

  • I BREATH BEER! Lol. Cheers mate!!!
    krazypolk wrote: »
    krazypolk wrote: »
    All you need is a fridge for some cold suds. That and maybe a bong or two. Cool layout

    Did I mention I like beer?

  • All off, awesome sound! Love it!!! Thanks!!
    sponger wrote: »
    I think your AVR will work with the Mult EQ editor app for your mobile device. If you got an extra $20 to burn, you might give it a try. Download the free HEOS and Denon Remote Control apps while ur at it.

    Also, remember to turn off Dyn Vol and Dyn EQ at least for a little while to see how things sound without all the added compression. Another thing is that Dyn Vol has a tendency to kill off bass as it's intended to shaft the extreme lower and upper frequencies. Speaking of compression, turn off "restorer" too. It believe it defaults to level 1. What I'm saying is you might like the cleaner sound that you get as you approach pure direct conditions. Or, you can turn all of those loudness buttons back on if you like. Some people complain that the sound is "thin" without restorer this and dynamic that. But your ears will adapt to it and may even prefer it. The bass and treble knobs are unlocked when dyn eq and vol are off. I think they're accessible via the levels button on the remote.

    Another thing is that hearing dialogue might be a problem. Instead of using dialogue expander, which on the 3400h is just boosting the center channel, turn off dyn eq and leave dyn vol on. That sometimes solves the problem. Also, I hope you were using at least the cardboard mic stand that comes with the unit for calibration. Just saying. Friend of mine has the X4400H. I know the UI inside and out. It can be a fun little avr since it's got those quad DSPs. Remember to update firmware, and also btw it has pre-outs for an amp.
    sponger wrote: »
    I think your AVR will work with the Mult EQ editor app for your mobile device. If you got an extra $20 to burn, you might give it a try. Download the free HEOS and Denon Remote Control apps while ur at it.

    Also, remember to turn off Dyn Vol and Dyn EQ at least for a little while to see how things sound without all the added compression. Another thing is that Dyn Vol has a tendency to kill off bass as it's intended to shaft the extreme lower and upper frequencies. Speaking of compression, turn off "restorer" too. It believe it defaults to level 1. What I'm saying is you might like the cleaner sound that you get as you approach pure direct conditions. Or, you can turn all of those loudness buttons back on if you like. Some people complain that the sound is "thin" without restorer this and dynamic that. But your ears will adapt to it and may even prefer it. The bass and treble knobs are unlocked when dyn eq and vol are off. I think they're accessible via the levels button on the remote.

    Another thing is that hearing dialogue might be a problem. Instead of using dialogue expander, which on the 3400h is just boosting the center channel, turn off dyn eq and leave dyn vol on. That sometimes solves the problem. Also, I hope you were using at least the cardboard mic stand that comes with the unit for calibration. Just saying. Friend of mine has the X4400H. I know the UI inside and out. It can be a fun little avr since it's got those quad DSPs. Remember to update firmware, and also btw it has pre-outs for an amp.

  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,712
    Less is more! ;)
    Got Dayens?
  • spongersponger Posts: 257
    jostomllo wrote: »
    All off, awesome sound! Love it!!! Thanks!!

    Glad to help, and happy to see that it worked out. But, at the same time I'm not surprised since the Sigs are a transparent and also sensitive speaker. It doesn't need all the processing additives to bring out the nuances that people spend thousands of dollars trying to hear. Hope you stick around the forum and share your experiences with your new 5.1 set-up.
    Denon AVR 3312CI
    S15
    Sony 790S
  • jostomllojostomllo Posts: 11
    Sure will, this is a great starting point. i still dont know what everything means or how it works, but from here ill start trying out different setups, if it works, perfect, if it doesnt i can always come back to this particular setup, sounds amazing!!!

    thanks a lot!!!
    sponger wrote: »
    jostomllo wrote: »
    All off, awesome sound! Love it!!! Thanks!!

    Glad to help, and happy to see that it worked out. But, at the same time I'm not surprised since the Sigs are a transparent and also sensitive speaker. It doesn't need all the processing additives to bring out the nuances that people spend thousands of dollars trying to hear. Hope you stick around the forum and share your experiences with your new 5.1 set-up.

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