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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,722
    edited September 2018
    I won’t convince Jesse with this and that’s fine, this is more for anyone else who reads that article and gets freaked out.

    Everyone knows at this point that I work with these guys, you can either take my input as blind bias or as first hand informed knowledge. You guys can believe whatever you like, but I happen to know with a high degree of certainty that the below information is correct.

    On the trust score there are a few important things to point out.

    1 - It’s there to help prevent fraud, that’s the singular goal of the system. There are several scenarios, but one key example is being able to identify scammers and senders of spam email.
    2 - Apple never sees any details of the communications, no visibility into the emails or phone calls, zero zilch nada. All they get is a score.
    3 - The score is stored on the encrypted secure rom in the phone and is always encrypted...on the phone, during the transmission to apple, and on apples servers.
    4 - Its only kept temporarily, think of it like a rolling buffer or spool of data that gets overwritten.
    5 - A couple of the websites I’ve seen cover this portray it like some big secret, it’s right there in the privacy agreement on Apple’s website, they’re not trying to hide anything.

    Keep in mind that Apple also has an excellent track record of protecting the privacy of their users...this is the company that refused to give the DoJ access to an iPhone in a very public criminal case when it would have been much easier to just comply.

    Also keep in mind that Apple doesn’t have any motivation for doing anything nefarious with your data. They’re not in the business of selling your data, Apple makes plenty of cash selling its own products...you are not the product and they don’t sell your data. For anyone curious about how Apple still manages to learn information about their users to improve their experience, check out their write up on differential privacy.

    Here’s that paper:
    https://www.apple.com/privacy/docs/Differential_Privacy_Overview.pdf

    And here’s the link to their iTunes privacy policy that denotes the use of the trust score
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT2084

    And finally, here’s a link to the landing page on how Apple handles privacy along with links to the actual policies
    https://www.apple.com/privacy/
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,710
    If it's only kept temporarily then it isn't much use in preventing fraud and if no one can see it then what fraud can it prevent. I know BS when I see it and that's a big pile.

    As far not turning over access to that terrorist's phone, sorry that refusal is inexcusable.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeD
    AsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,722
    I certainly can’t go into specifics but let me offer an “example” scenario. If your phone sends out random blast emails to thousands of email addresses or robo calls thousands of phone numbers within a few minutes then there’s a VERY high likelihood that you’re a scammer. Apple doesn’t need to know which emails or phone numbers you’re contacting, only that there are a bunch and they’re all different, that’s what the score tells them and that’s why a score system is better and less intrusive than them just monitoring and reading your email.

    As for not turning over access to that phone, here’s the situation. Their system is designed with such a high level of security and encryption that Apple themselves doesn’t have the ability to access a locked iPhone, that part was never in question. Likewise they don’t have the ability to read iMessages stored on their server because they too are encrypted. Where things got sticky is that the government ordered them to create a back door, and since they built the system Apple was likely in the best position to create that workaround. But once you create that you’ve built the mechanism that can be used to unlock anybody’s phone and that puts everyone at risk. You can’t just create that once, once it’s built it exists and a simple leak can put millions of people’s devices at risk. It’s not a huge leap to get from there to a situation where the government is using that system to read people’s messages and track down citizens that say bad things about the president.

    There’s no clear answer here, only a matter of choice between security and privacy and which you place more emphasis on. There are plenty of people on each side of that debate as it’s a tough nut to crack and certainly not something we’re going to solve on an audio forum.
  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,943
    Thanks for hijacking my thread guys ;) , btw the phone is awesome!
  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,124
    joecoulson wrote: »
    Thanks for hijacking my thread guys ;) , btw the phone is awesome!

    Did someone say apple?

    With Apple season right around the corner and over 7500 varieties world wide, which is your favorite?

    Do you like a sweet or a tart apple?
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 7,952
    Tart apples make me pucker...
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  • mlistens03
    mlistens03 Posts: 2,767
    Sweet, for sure. I can eat a tart apple, but it isn’t certainly not my first choice. I’d rather eat carrots than a tart apple, and that is saying a lot.
    I also hate “grainy” apples, that disintegrate in your mouth and feel like sand. :/
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,710
    2 apples plus 2 apples does not equal 4 apples.
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  • So is the iPhone the best selling phone with all the terrorists?
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,902
    edited September 2018
    I certainly can’t go into specifics but let me offer an “example” scenario. If your phone sends out random blast emails to thousands of email addresses or robo calls thousands of phone numbers within a few minutes then there’s a VERY high likelihood that you’re a scammer.

    If that's the case Danny, how do they differentiate between those who use their phone for businesses like MLM, where they send out gobs of emails to various sites, advertising, etc. ? Lets not forget the amount of mass mailings that go on every election cycle too. By your own definition also, Apple themselves could be rated as untrustworthy. When you tell people you can't go into specifics, for something like this which gives away no trade secrets, then people may look at you, Apple, as the scammer.

    There is only 2 numbers associated with this trust factor, 1 or 2. So either your trustworthy, or your not, no in-between. This leaves it totally up to Apples discretion to label someone as untrustworthy, without any viable proof made public. There is no publicly made criteria for this judgement either. This is basically Apple telling people who to trust, and who not to, without having to give a reason why.

    You don't see a problem with that ? What can possibly go wrong ?
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,902
    edited September 2018
    Apple may not "sell" your info, but they do share it with others.

    ... It's all in the company's privacy statement, including the frank admission that Apple will share the data with “strategic partners that work with Apple to provide products and services, or that help Apple market to customers” and with law enforcement.Apr 3, 2018

    Fairly broad on who they actually share with as so many different companies are involved. Because they "share" information, doesn't mean they are getting nothing in return either.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,124
    like it or not all media devices are data mining
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