FS: Turntable setup tools

FS: Dr Feikert NextGen2 alignment gauge and Fozgometer azimuth alignment meter

Dr Feikert gauge $200
Fozgometer $225

Both for $400. Buyer responsible for shipping and any fees (PayPal add 3%).
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,711
    Does the test record come with the Fozgometer?
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  • miner
    miner Posts: 1,305
    No it does not - I had to buy separately when I bought the Foz
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  • miner
    miner Posts: 1,305
    Will include the rest record for additional $20
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  • miner
    miner Posts: 1,305
    ^ Test record
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,711
    Ok cool, I'm thinking about it.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,481
    F1nut wrote: »
    Ok cool, I'm thinking about it.

    Deep end lol
  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,350
    I had the first gen Feikert. It's a great tool to have. Only sold it after going air bearing linear arm.

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  • There seems to be a trend lately of people (usually first-time posters) resurrecting dead discussions, so I'm sorry to be "that guy" this time. But does anyone have a Fozgometer they'd be willing to part with?

    I know most people who have ever bought one used them like once or twice, and then they got put away and forgotten about.

    I was going to post in the WTB forum, but I did a search and found this (where it appears @miner never sold his), so I figured I'd start here.

    If multiple people happen to have one, I'll be perfectly honest that I'm looking for the cheapest option, because I, too, am likely to be That Guy who just uses it once or twice and puts it away.
  • msg
    msg Posts: 9,309
    you wanna sell yours?
    you know, after you get one?
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  • smartie_panta
    smartie_panta Posts: 181
    edited January 2023
    msg wrote: »
    you wanna sell yours?
    you know, after you get one?

    Perhaps... That's what I was actually thinking. After it's served my needs, pass it along to the next person. If there are others on this forum who would like to use it, too, it might be fun to keep it going around among us.

    If you were suggesting I am looking to buy one on the cheap to sell for a profit, I assure you that's not the case.

    Reason for the need is that I recently acquired a turntable I have been told can be very tricky to set up, and since I'll be DIY'ing it, I'd like to ensure I got it just right.
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 18,230
    We have done this in the past here. 10 people get in on a purchase. They share it, use it and move it onto the next person until it's their turn again. If they don't need it the second, third or fourth round, they simply let the group know to pass it on to the next person on the list.

    Whoever has the unit or product(s), pays shipping to the next person.

    Just a thought for your entertainment.

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
  • treitz3 wrote: »
    We have done this in the past here. 10 people get in on a purchase. They share it, use it and move it onto the next person...

    I like that idea!

    I'm in! Anyone else?
  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 18,230
    I have some setup tools but I am in.

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
  • newbie308
    newbie308 Posts: 674
    I'd kick in on this, too! Great idea!
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  • msg
    msg Posts: 9,309
    msg wrote: »
    you wanna sell yours?
    you know, after you get one?
    If you were suggesting I am looking to buy one on the cheap to sell for a profit, I assure you that's not the case.
    naw, not at all, I was joking around, a play on how people seem to search long and hard for this stuff, maybe use it a little and then it sits. I wouldn't sell mine if I acquired a set, even if I didn't use it often.

    I got a ton of tools I don't use all the time, doesn't mean I sell them after work on my car and get new ones every time I've got an oil change :D

    same for audio stuff.

    along the lines of Tom's note on the forum buy - I was wondering about something like this for one of those $4k ultrasonic record cleaners. some people have huge record collections, so maybe there'd have to be a time limit, like, here, use it for 2 or 4 weeks then send it on and get back on the list for another turn.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 18,230
    We used to have a group that rotated a Furutech Record Flattener. It lasted a couple of years but it got so much use, it finally died. I don't think I would use an ultrasonic on my LP's. I keep hearing that it cleans the LP's a little too much and flakes of vinyl lay at the bottom of the tank. I don't know about you but that does not sound good to me.

    Tom
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
  • msg wrote: »
    I got a ton of tools I don't use all the time, doesn't mean I sell them after work on my car and get new ones every time I've got an oil change

    Great point. Good analogy. I, too, have plenty of non-audio tools that after I get rid of them because I think I won't need them again, I inevitably do and wish I'd kept them around (not to mention having to buy them all over again). Now, my wife on the other hand, wishes I'd get rid of EVERYTHING.
  • msg
    msg Posts: 9,309
    edited January 2023
    treitz3 wrote: »
    We used to have a group that rotated a Furutech Record Flattener. It lasted a couple of years but it got so much use, it finally died. I don't think I would use an ultrasonic on my LP's. I keep hearing that it cleans the LP's a little too much and flakes of vinyl lay at the bottom of the tank. I don't know about you but that does not sound good to me.
    Tom
    wow. uh, no.

    I should probably read up on that. I've used two "ultrasonic" type cleaners in my cleaning experimentation. One was a diy kit that a few here built from a turner that Brian built, and the other is the HumminGuru. Some have said that one's not even true ultrasonic.

    I've noticed debris in the bottom of most cleaning tools I've used, whether the ultrasonic or the rotating washers. I don't recall consistently seeing it after every wash. One question that does come to mind though, is whether and dark bits I might have see would have belonged down there - in other words, leftover bits removed from new records that weren't cleaned at the plant after pressing.

    I've also tried three different vacuum cleaners, two 3d printed ones and the VPI 16.5. Vinyl care is definitely an area of records and turntables that I've spent a lot exploring. Each has its benefits and pains.

    One of the things I don't like about the platter-based vacuum cleaners is this business of putting the clean side down where a dirty side just was. This is why I end up going multi-stage on cleaning.
    Lately that's been some combination of the HumminGuru, a spinning immersion washer, like the Vinyl Styl Deep Groove I use, and then following up at the end with vacuum. Overkill? Absolutely. Any one of these cleaning methods on its own seems to get me 90% there. I think I just have to accept that most of my records that still have noise are either flawed or poorly pressed. I just like the involvement of the cleaning process.
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  • jdjohn
    jdjohn Posts: 2,987
    I would agree with Scott about the 'dark bits' that settle to the bottom of a cleaning tank. Record pressing plants are not very clean, and I have no doubt there are shards of vinyl left on a record after pressing. I have never seen evidence of pressing plants cleaning records after pressing, but if someone has found a video, or some other evidence, please share.

    Having said that, I'm frankly shocked that Scott is moving forward, somewhat, in his vinyl playback system :p You're my boy, though!
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  • msg
    msg Posts: 9,309
    lol, nailed it Jody - with vinyl, I'm always getting ready to get ready to get ready to do somethin'!
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  • jdjohn
    jdjohn Posts: 2,987
    Always on the cusp...a flower just waiting to bloom!
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,481
    edited January 2023
    Some of that stuff you hint about could be mould release agents that build up on the lacquers or negatives whatever they're called. My understanding was the negative was to be replaced after so many pressings due to too much crud building up on it. Some companies back in the day would go triple or 4x the amount of pressings and sell those to the musiclands and other mall type music sellers. The first pressings would go to the dedicated record stores.
    Back in the late 80's early 90's buying a good pressing was almost impossible.
  • maingey
    maingey Posts: 627
    treitz3 wrote: »
    We have done this in the past here. 10 people get in on a purchase. They share it, use it and move it onto the next person...

    I like that idea!

    I'm in! Anyone else?

    I would be in also!
  • muncybob
    muncybob Posts: 2,963
    I have yet to clean a record a 2nd time and see debris at the bottom of the tank. Thus far I have only cleaned a few more than once though.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,481
    jdjohn wrote: »
    Always on the cusp...a flower just waiting to bloom!

    His lily may have wilted on the vine....
  • jdjohn
    jdjohn Posts: 2,987
    jdjohn wrote: »
    Always on the cusp...a flower just waiting to bloom!
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    His lily may have wilted on the vine....
    https://clip.cafe/black-knight-2001/what-are-doin-here-you-dare-deflower-the-kings-daughter/
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    "Sometimes I do what I want to do. The rest of the time, I do what I have to." - Cicero, in Gladiator
    Regarding collectibles: "It's not who gets it. It's who gets stuck with it." - Jimmy Fallon
  • Since the idea popped up here, I'm giving an update, but I bit the bullet and bought a Fozgometer. I am going to start a new thread in the "DIY, Mods & Tweaks" category. I took note of the few of you who said you are interested: @newbie308 , @treitz3 & @maingey . Look out for it there shortly, if you are still interested.