Opinions on this Joule Electra LA100 Markiii Unit?

stretchlstretchl Posts: 1,029
edited July 8 in 2 Channel Audio
If any of you Joule enthusiasts or electronics experts have opinions on this unit I'd appreciate hearing from you. The modifications ("circuit board mounting changes") strike me as a little extreme if I'm looking for a classic JE. The more I read about the Joules and Jud the more I respect them and him.

If the seller doesn't look after his hi-fi equipment any better than he does his patio furniture all bets are off.

Thanks in advance.

https://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649431831-joule-electra-la100-mkiii-upgraded/

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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 14,769
    That board is a hot mess. I wouldn't spend the dough on it, nor would I post pictures of the internals or the patio furniture.
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  • stretchlstretchl Posts: 1,029
    Thanks, Skip. Off my list.
    “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'
    - Isaac Asimov

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  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,465
    DSkip wrote: »
    That board is a hot mess. I wouldn't spend the dough on it, nor would I post pictures of the internals or the patio furniture.

    I would caution about taking advice on audio equipment based on internal design or photo shoot location instead of having actually heard a similar piece. :) Having said that, I would agree with Skip that the board is a mess. There isn't much room there to put those caps to begin with. That's why I decided to raise my board and mount some caps under as well as on top. Besides the layout, I guess the Jantzens are ok, but, they weren't my first choice. The piece is probably worth a less than what he is asking considering the description used to assess time on upgrade.
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  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,094
    edited July 8
    It looks like some kid threw a bunch of M-80s into a box of chocolates.

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  • stretchlstretchl Posts: 1,029
    kharp1 wrote: »
    I would caution about taking advice on audio equipment based on internal design or photo shoot location instead of having actually heard a similar piece. :)

    Honestly, and this is going to sound bourgeois, I want one that is true to what Jud envisioned and created. It's like a piece of art.
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    - Isaac Asimov

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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,568
    stretchl wrote: »
    kharp1 wrote: »
    I would caution about taking advice on audio equipment based on internal design or photo shoot location instead of having actually heard a similar piece. :)

    Honestly, and this is going to sound bourgeois, I want one that is true to what Jud envisioned and created. It's like a piece of art.

    Nothing wrong with that, as I find mine to be perfectly acceptable in it's original form.

    Like Kerry said, it's hard to judge by the layout on the board, many have done upgrades/mods to these that require a bit more work and board changes as Kerry can attest to.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 40,214
    It may look like a mess, but to fit larger caps in such a limited space requires it to look like it does. Actually, it doesn't look like a bad job. However, those would not be my cap choice. The caps that Jud used were ok, but nothing special.
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  • stretchlstretchl Posts: 1,029
    “What’s the advantage of the larger caps,” asked the novice?
    “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'
    - Isaac Asimov

    Hi-Fi
    Apple Lossless --> Squeezebox Touch --> Joule Electra LA-100 Mark iii --> MIT AVT2 IC's --> Adcom GFA-555ii --> MIT EXP S2 Cables --> LSiM-705's
    Visuals
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 14,769
    Better capacitors are generally larger. Capacitors can make a component sound horrid or transcendental. It's one area manufacturers target when producing higher end speakers.

    I thought about your concerns Jesse, but I guess my point is I wouldn't trust his work. I'd be more inclined to buy if there was more thought in how it was put together. Nothing about that screams professional to me. Partner that with his poor choice to take pictures on beaten up furniture and I'd have no interest in it unless I could get an in-person evaluation.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 40,214
    edited July 8
    I can't argue your point Skip. I'm sure I could have made that prettier. B)
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 14,769
    F1nut wrote: »
    I can't argue your point Skip. I'm sure I could have made that prettier. B)

    I'm sure it would've had vowels by the time you were done with it.
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    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • stretchlstretchl Posts: 1,029
    DSkip wrote: »
    Better capacitors are generally larger. Capacitors can make a component sound horrid or transcendental.

    Why and why, por favor?
    “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'
    - Isaac Asimov

    Hi-Fi
    Apple Lossless --> Squeezebox Touch --> Joule Electra LA-100 Mark iii --> MIT AVT2 IC's --> Adcom GFA-555ii --> MIT EXP S2 Cables --> LSiM-705's
    Visuals
    http://StretchPhotography.com
    http://Vimeo.com/channels/stretchphoto
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,568
    Why ? Caps have different sound signatures just like anything else. Some better, some worse, depending on the circuit they are used in. There's more to design and build than meets the eye.

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    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 4,574
    There are many improvements to be had using modern film capacitors versus lower end film capacitors and electrolytics.

    Most manufacturers use the minimum priced component that will acceptably do the job but will still allow them to meet a specific price point.
    Think government contracts...best plane for the lowest price kind of thing.
    Most of the time, this is an electrolytic or a lower end film capacitor.

    First, the largest advantage to film capacitors over electrolytics is longevity. electrolytics degrade over time and will begin to move away from their spec. Sometime substantially if the cap develops a leak.

    With film capacitors, as you move up the quality scale, you get improved dielectric materials, better quality conductive films being used and usually much better construction methodologies.

    All of the above will typically get the job done. But with better materials, you get better quality of signal.
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  • stretchlstretchl Posts: 1,029
    Don’t know if I ever shared with the forum that I am now the happy owner of this Joule Electra LA-100 Mark iii. Very satisfied with the results. Thanks for wvweyone’s Input.

    http://www.audioasylumtrader.com/ca/listing/Preamplifier-Tube/Joule-Electra/LA-100-MK-III/w-Synergistic-Black/189408
    “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'
    - Isaac Asimov

    Hi-Fi
    Apple Lossless --> Squeezebox Touch --> Joule Electra LA-100 Mark iii --> MIT AVT2 IC's --> Adcom GFA-555ii --> MIT EXP S2 Cables --> LSiM-705's
    Visuals
    http://StretchPhotography.com
    http://Vimeo.com/channels/stretchphoto
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,568
    Cool man, how you liking it ? Do you see what I meant when I said they get things musically right ? Rockin' some good NOS tubes in it too I hope.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • stretchlstretchl Posts: 1,029

    Thanks, Tony.

    I’m hearing elements I’d never before noticed on a variety of recordings. Was sitting slack-jawed the other night listening to Bowie’s “Young Americans.” Really made me appreciate his voice in ways I never had before. Also opened doors for me with Lennon & Yoko’s “Double Fantasy,” et al. And that’s been Apple Lossless files streaming via a Squeezebox Touch.

    Re: Tubes: Haven’t started down the rolling road yet. Really want to get a good handle on what the unit does as delivered, as a good baseline.

    One practical feature I’m grateful to have in a pre - A balance control. Really helps vis-a-vis some tinnitus related hearing loss I have in my right ear.
    “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'
    - Isaac Asimov

    Hi-Fi
    Apple Lossless --> Squeezebox Touch --> Joule Electra LA-100 Mark iii --> MIT AVT2 IC's --> Adcom GFA-555ii --> MIT EXP S2 Cables --> LSiM-705's
    Visuals
    http://StretchPhotography.com
    http://Vimeo.com/channels/stretchphoto
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 40,214
    It's pretty well established what the best tubes in that Joule are. If you don't have them in there now you're just wasting time.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


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