Rx-a870 or SR5012

My setup is RTia5 and CSia4....no surround yet, but it will come soon
Is there any major difference between Yamaha rx-a870 and Marantz sr5012? I like the price of the Yamaha on A4L....but can pay a little more if the Marantz is really better
Application is 90% movies/console games
RTiA5 + CSiA4
No surround...yet
Pioneer VSX920
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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,496
    I have owned and really like both brands, but the Yamaha's don't really hit their stride until the 10XX series, and the marantz is a bit warmer which will pair better with the brightish RTiAs. Plus, the audessey calibration in the Marantz is FAR superior to the YPAO in the yamaha.

    If it was 1060 vs. 5012 it would be much closer, but I would still vote marantz for the same two reasons...
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio Nova Integrated; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Emit 10 + MartinLogan Dynamo (original) sub; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - SVS PB10-ISD; LG UP870 4K BDP

    Master Bedroom
    Marantz SR-5007; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; Audiosource Amp Two, PSB Imagine B, Boston VR-10 center, NHT Super One CI surrounds, ACI Titan subwoofer, Squeezebox Touch
  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 4,545
    ^^^
    Agree!
    7.1 - polk RTi10 x 3 (LCR) : FXi3 x 2 : RTi4 x 4 : Sunfire SDS-12 : Yamaha Aventage RX-A2040 : Adcom GFA-7500 : Squeezebox Touch : DIRECTV : Roku SE : Panasonic PT-AX200U PJ @ 120"
    5.1 - Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800 x 4 : ProCenter 1000 : Klipsch Sub-10 : Pioneer Elite SC-91: DIRECTV : LG OLED55B6P : Roku Premiere+
    Garage Duty - polk Monitor 10s : Pioneer A-717 Integrated Amp : Squeezebox Classic
  • jeremymarcinkojeremymarcinko Posts: 3,168
    #metoo
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  • mlistens03mlistens03 Posts: 1,892
    Ditto, although I think you'd be happy with either. Just more happy with the Marantz.
    Not Tom, or Trey, or Jim
    Main setup:
    Speakers are one of three, Mission Freedom 770 IV’s, Polk LSi25’s, or Polk SDA-CRS (stock XO, SL2000’s, Blade/Blade model). Electronics are as follows: for the LSi’s and SDA’s, a Technics SU-v75 acting as a phono preamp, into a Yamaha RX-v665, into a Crown XLi800 power amplifier. For the Missions, I have a Lafayette LR-1100. Turntable is a Technics SL-3200, with a Shure M97xE. Cables are generic/soon to be replaced garbage.
    An old post I found on AK, from 2013.
    I've always thought the goal of high end audio was not to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Turn that darn music down' but to have your neighbors bang on the wall and say, 'Tell your friends to go home and you can practice later this week'.
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,440
    I have two SR5010 and like them. These do come with Audyssey XT which can be a pain sometime to setup. XT32 is great, For the money Marantz should have put Audyssey XT32 on.

    I'd also look at Denon AVR-X3300W or AVR-X3400X, both are in your price range and come with Audyssey XT32. The guy I sold my RTi8/RTi4/CSI5 to has the 3300W and loves it.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva BasX-A300
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk T15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • firsttimerfirsttimer Posts: 87
    Love my Denon AVR-X3300W. Calibration with XT32 works great as well. Highly recommend the Denon
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 230
    edited June 23
    OK, so good options are Marantz SR5012 and Denon X3300W, but the Denon doesn't have Dolby vision. Is this a deal breaker?
    Also, what's the difference between W series and H series in Denon's world? Is Denon X3400H a good option as well ($100 more than X3300W, but support Dolby vision)
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 4,545
    The H indicates support for Denon's HEOS, a pretty decent streaming solution that can be expanded thought your home. Otherwise, similar. 3300 is 2016, 3400 is 2017. No 3500 yet, but it can probably be predicted.
    7.1 - polk RTi10 x 3 (LCR) : FXi3 x 2 : RTi4 x 4 : Sunfire SDS-12 : Yamaha Aventage RX-A2040 : Adcom GFA-7500 : Squeezebox Touch : DIRECTV : Roku SE : Panasonic PT-AX200U PJ @ 120"
    5.1 - Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800 x 4 : ProCenter 1000 : Klipsch Sub-10 : Pioneer Elite SC-91: DIRECTV : LG OLED55B6P : Roku Premiere+
    Garage Duty - polk Monitor 10s : Pioneer A-717 Integrated Amp : Squeezebox Classic
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 230
    Is 3300w Dolby vision capable?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 4,545
    7.1 - polk RTi10 x 3 (LCR) : FXi3 x 2 : RTi4 x 4 : Sunfire SDS-12 : Yamaha Aventage RX-A2040 : Adcom GFA-7500 : Squeezebox Touch : DIRECTV : Roku SE : Panasonic PT-AX200U PJ @ 120"
    5.1 - Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800 x 4 : ProCenter 1000 : Klipsch Sub-10 : Pioneer Elite SC-91: DIRECTV : LG OLED55B6P : Roku Premiere+
    Garage Duty - polk Monitor 10s : Pioneer A-717 Integrated Amp : Squeezebox Classic
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,440
    Two things that bother me about my Marantz SR5010.

    1. Audyssey XT. This calibration program SUCKS! The SR50XX cost more than the Denon 3 series but come with a sub par calibration program. I've setup a few AVR with XT32 and wow so much better and easy, no tweaking required.
    2. That darn small porthole display. Unless the TV is on there is no way to see it from more than 5' away.

    On the plus side the SR5010 once dialed in is awesome.

    Knowing what I know now I would have gotten the Denon or a SR60XX with Audyssey XT32
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva BasX-A300
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk T15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,496
    I also really like denons. I owned a 23XX something or other and it was pretty sweet, and my current AVR-X4200w is awesome, so if the 30XX series has better calibration, I say go for it...
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio Nova Integrated; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Emit 10 + MartinLogan Dynamo (original) sub; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - SVS PB10-ISD; LG UP870 4K BDP

    Master Bedroom
    Marantz SR-5007; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; Audiosource Amp Two, PSB Imagine B, Boston VR-10 center, NHT Super One CI surrounds, ACI Titan subwoofer, Squeezebox Touch
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 230
    Ok, so I have to decide between the X3300W ($500 + shipping) or the X3400H ($600 with free shipping)......
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,496
    French_guy wrote: »
    Ok, so I have to decide between the X3300W ($500 + shipping) or the X3400H ($600 with free shipping)......

    Well if it’s less than $100, at that price I would go for the newest...
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio Nova Integrated; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Emit 10 + MartinLogan Dynamo (original) sub; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - SVS PB10-ISD; LG UP870 4K BDP

    Master Bedroom
    Marantz SR-5007; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; Audiosource Amp Two, PSB Imagine B, Boston VR-10 center, NHT Super One CI surrounds, ACI Titan subwoofer, Squeezebox Touch
  • firsttimerfirsttimer Posts: 87
    Both of those are Dolby vision capable. I would agree for an extra 100 dollars get the newest. I came from Sony to the Denon and love the Denom
  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 4,545
    Get the 3400. HEOS is a nice option if that interests you. Download the HEOS app to see what it does.
    7.1 - polk RTi10 x 3 (LCR) : FXi3 x 2 : RTi4 x 4 : Sunfire SDS-12 : Yamaha Aventage RX-A2040 : Adcom GFA-7500 : Squeezebox Touch : DIRECTV : Roku SE : Panasonic PT-AX200U PJ @ 120"
    5.1 - Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800 x 4 : ProCenter 1000 : Klipsch Sub-10 : Pioneer Elite SC-91: DIRECTV : LG OLED55B6P : Roku Premiere+
    Garage Duty - polk Monitor 10s : Pioneer A-717 Integrated Amp : Squeezebox Classic
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 230
    For all of you who have already shopped at A4L, should I consider taking the extended warranty (2, 3 or 5 years)?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,496
    I personally would buy a square trade warranty as I have had good experience with them. But others experience may be different...
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio Nova Integrated; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Emit 10 + MartinLogan Dynamo (original) sub; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - SVS PB10-ISD; LG UP870 4K BDP

    Master Bedroom
    Marantz SR-5007; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; Audiosource Amp Two, PSB Imagine B, Boston VR-10 center, NHT Super One CI surrounds, ACI Titan subwoofer, Squeezebox Touch
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 230
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    I personally would buy a square trade warranty as I have had good experience with them. But others experience may be different...

    which is not the one offered by A4L, right?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,440
    If you have a Fry's near by they have the X3400H for $599. You will need to sign up for their email spam promo code.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva BasX-A300
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk T15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 230
    New?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,440
    yes but in store only and you will need the promo code.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva BasX-A300
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk T15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 230
    I don't think there is one close to where I live unfortunately (Michigan)......
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,100
    French_guy wrote: »
    I don't think there is one close to where I live unfortunately (Michigan)......

    Arizona, California, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Nevada, Oregon, Texas, Washington.

    https://www.frys.com/ac/storeinfo/storelocator?site=csfooter_H
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 14,774
    If you are buying a refurb make sure it can be covered by an outside warranty first.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 230
    Well, if I were to take one, I will most likely go with the one from A4L then....
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 230
    Arghhh................I was almost ready to pull the trigger on the X3400H, but I just found out it might be too deep for my cabinet. My current receiver not working anymore, I went to Costco and got a TSR-7810 "to wait", and this one is 14"-7/8. It's already a tight fit. And the Denon is deeper than that (15" 3/8) !!!!!
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,496
    Marantz NR series...slimline. It’ll fit and sounds great to boot
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio Nova Integrated; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Emit 10 + MartinLogan Dynamo (original) sub; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - SVS PB10-ISD; LG UP870 4K BDP

    Master Bedroom
    Marantz SR-5007; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; Audiosource Amp Two, PSB Imagine B, Boston VR-10 center, NHT Super One CI surrounds, ACI Titan subwoofer, Squeezebox Touch
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 230
    Is it powerful enough for my speakers, and HT application?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,496
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Peachtree Audio Nova Integrated; Bryson BPD-1; Mains: Dynaudio Emit 10 + MartinLogan Dynamo (original) sub; Center - Polk cs400i; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - SVS PB10-ISD; LG UP870 4K BDP

    Master Bedroom
    Marantz SR-5007; Peachtree Audio NovaPre; Audiosource Amp Two, PSB Imagine B, Boston VR-10 center, NHT Super One CI surrounds, ACI Titan subwoofer, Squeezebox Touch
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