What would be considered lossless?

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mlistens03
mlistens03 Posts: 2,767
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I thought that lossless was 16 bit, 192 KHz, but Apple Music allowed me to select that in my settings at least on my laptop, so unless Apple updated and I didn’t notice (not likely, I switched it weeks ago), then I am wrong about what is lossless and what isn’t. So, what is the “standard” for lossless audio?
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  • CH46E
    CH46E Posts: 3,546
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    SACD, FLAC or DSD from what i understand. But i still have not been able to get DSD audio to play from a USB 3.0 SS thumb drive to my stereo. Its supposed to be able to play DSD from the usb port.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
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    Lossless is an encoding/compression method that results in the end file having the same bits as the original. That is, there is no difference between the two. Bit depth and sampling rate have nothing to do with it.
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  • mlistens03
    mlistens03 Posts: 2,767
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    BlueFox wrote: »
    Lossless is an encoding/compression method that results in the end file having the same bits as the original. That is, there is no difference between the two. Bit depth and sampling rate have nothing to do with it.

    Oooooohhhh... I get it now. I thought 192 kHz and 16 bit both meant that, but I guess not.
    To quote someone on this forum, can’t remember who:
    “You can’t possibly be this audio dumb, so quit the act!” (Talking to myself) :wink::tongue:
    Geez, learn something new everyday... but in my case, about 50 new things everyday :tongue:
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
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    mlistens03 wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Lossless is an encoding/compression method that results in the end file having the same bits as the original. That is, there is no difference between the two. Bit depth and sampling rate have nothing to do with it.

    Geez, learn something new everyday... but in my case, about 50 new things everyday.

    Good for you. I try to learn something new, or get a better understanding of something I already know, every day, but it isn’t that easy. :)

    One benefit of being stupid is you know everything. LOL.

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    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

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  • daddyjt
    daddyjt Posts: 2,322
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    mlistens03 wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Lossless is an encoding/compression method that results in the end file having the same bits as the original. That is, there is no difference between the two. Bit depth and sampling rate have nothing to do with it.

    Oooooohhhh... I get it now. I thought 192 kHz and 16 bit both meant that, but I guess not.
    To quote someone on this forum, can’t remember who:
    “You can’t possibly be this audio dumb, so quit the act!” (Talking to myself) :wink::tongue:
    Geez, learn something new everyday... but in my case, about 50 new things everyday :tongue:

    In your defense, they don’t exactly make it easy... you have to cut through all the marketing bs and people with an agenda to get the truth.
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
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    Regular CDs are 16-bit, 44.1kHz. Lossless refers to ripping to a format that allows that same bitrate and depth to be maintained - i.e. FLAC and the like. Digital files with sample rates greater than this are usually called high resolution, hi-res, or sometimes HD.
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  • mlistens03
    mlistens03 Posts: 2,767
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    mdaudioguy wrote: »
    Regular CDs are 16-bit, 44.1kHz. Lossless refers to ripping to a format that allows that same bitrate and depth to be maintained - i.e. FLAC and the like. Digital files with sample rates greater than this are usually called high resolution, hi-res, or sometimes HD.

    Oh ok. I understand even better now. Thanks!
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