Joule pre overhaul...

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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,212
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    I'd show up for that. The entertainment factor is off the charts.

    But yet you won't sleep while there's a full moon

    I wouldn't have to worry about Kerry. Tom...carries around a whole dill pickle in his pocket and a bottle of Tequila around his neck.

    I'll take my chances in Kentucky :)
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,212
    BTW....if he's comparing it to the LA 300....I might join you on a naked run around the block. Good news....can't wait to hear your thoughts, after you scrape your sack of the back wall obviously.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 9,670
    kharp1 wrote: »
    FedEx says it will be here tomorrow...I feel like running naked down the street!!

    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,389
    edited June 16
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    I'd show up for that. The entertainment factor is off the charts.

    But yet you won't sleep while there's a full moon

    I know, I was thinking the same thing!
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 9,557
    I'm in for $10 if Kerry does the birthday suit run....
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 2,680
    One more Elvis/Kentucky song. :p

  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,389
    There will be no running down the street naked this weekend as FedEx (those bastages) changed my arrival date to Tuesday. I guess good weather in the northeast is slowing them up. I cried all night when I found out!
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • Yep2Yep2 Posts: 1,124
    edited June 16
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Kentucky...let the jokes begin! :)

    I lived in Henderson for years...
    Across the Ohio from Evansville.
    Coldest temps Ive ever experienced -23°, 9ft snow drifts...
    And I have been to most of the BIG Western states Elk hunting!
    Unreal cold in KY!
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,389
    Yep2 wrote: »
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Kentucky...let the jokes begin! :)

    I lived in Henderson for years...
    Across the Ohio from Evansville.
    Coldest temps Ive ever experienced -23°, 9ft snow drifts...
    And I have been to most of the BIG Western states Elk hunting!
    Unreal cold in KY!

    Pretty ugly himidity, too. Already had several hazardous air days this spring. Lovely Ohio Valley ozone. If you don't have sinus trouble when you move here you will in a couple of years.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,842
    Looks good! Got a special track/album in mind to play first through it?
    Got Dayens?
  • dromundsdromunds Posts: 6,993
    How long is the break-in for those Jupiters, etc?
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,212
    edited June 20
    It's been 30 minutes already Kerry, what goes man....how she sound brotha ? :)
    Post edited by KennethSwauger on
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 14,581
    dromunds wrote: »
    How long is the break-in for those Jupiters, etc?

    If I recall from what Luther said, it takes hundreds of hours - 300 or more to really get them where they need to be.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,212
    I'll volunteer to put on 150 hours. Be a huge sacrifice, but what the heck, I like Kerry. :p
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,018
    send it and I will break it in for you. you can pick it up when you pick up the ushers :p
    Amplifiers: MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800, Usher R1.5
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Transport/Dac: Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra
    Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Black Mesh Oval 9, Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Interconnects: Analysis Plus Copper Oval-In Micro, MG Audio Design Planus Cu2,
    Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Power Cables by: Cullen Cables, 6sons Audio, Swiss Cables
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,389
    400 hours is what I was told to expect. BS I tell you!
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 10,034
    kharp1 wrote: »
    400 hours is what I was told to expect. BS I tell you!

    You'll be on to something else by that time.....
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,389
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    kharp1 wrote: »
    400 hours is what I was told to expect. BS I tell you!

    You'll be on to something else by that time.....

    I've had this piece in the system for a while now, and, like it so much I decided to invest in it for the future. This one isn't going anywhere.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,212
    edited June 20
    kharp1 wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    kharp1 wrote: »
    400 hours is what I was told to expect. BS I tell you!

    You'll be on to something else by that time.....

    I've had this piece in the system for a while now, and, like it so much I decided to invest in it for the future. This one isn't going anywhere.

    Atta boy Kerry, once you get a piece that tickles your fancy, hard to let go of 'em. You spent years looking, flipping gear in and out. Sometimes we realize too late we should have kept xyz piece. If your Joule is now playing anywhere near the LA-300 levels, I'd keep that baby too, give it a back rub, send it flowers on it's anniversary. ;)

    In my personal observations, once you get to a certain level in audio, the amount of coin you have to spend increases greatly to achieve smaller jumps in sound quality.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • maxwardmaxward Posts: 106
    It looks great! What are your impressions so far?
    Thorens TD-160C; Sumiko Talisman S; Jolida JD9; Marantz CD-53; Micromega Mydac
    Joule-Electra LA-100; Balanced Power Technology AC conditioner;
    Odyssey Khartago monos (with most factory upgrades); Magnepan MG 3.6R
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,389
    Still tight. Hasn't opened up yet.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,389
    edited June 23
    Ok, I'm noticing a few things early on. One concerns me and am in dialogue with Rich about it, and that's the gain is lower than before. Even changing the jumper didn't help much. I am turning it up to the 3 o'clock position where before about 12-1 was where it pushed the best. I've switched the 5751 for a 12ax7 and it's better, however, when I tried a 12ax7 previously I couldn't use it due to too much gain, to the point of distorting. This concerns me a bit.

    The bass doesn't quite have the slam it did before, but, I expect that to change and I'm not concerned too much with that. What I do have is incredible bass detail!!! Far more palpable bass detail than before, and, I expect that will probably only get better with more break in.

    Stage isn't as wide as before, but, I think that will change as it breaks in. It's already changed some. Has very good stage depth, but, it had pretty good depth before. Again, I think these will only improve over the next few weeks.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,842
    Interesting. I wonder what caused the gain structure to change.
    Got Dayens?
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,389
    I'll let you know. There were a couple resistors added that may be causing it, but, if I'm understanding correctly I doubt that's it. This from Rich:

    The only thing I can think of is that I changed the output loading resistance..
    which is a pretty high value. I did lower its value, but as I said its still pretty
    high (this is there to provide some load on the output of the preamp during
    warm-up before the mute releases and provide a drain path for any DC charge
    that gathers on the output coupling cap). Maybe with your amp, the value is
    affecting the gain due to the loading combined with the input impedance of
    your amp. This is the only thing I can think off that may affect the gain.

    The capacitors can’t change the gain, the only serve a coupling function. The 6350 and
    5751 tested fine. The line stag biased to spec well too (not that has any impact on the gain
    as that is fixed by other factors in the circuit).

    If you look at the wiring inside the amp right on/at the RCA outputs, you will
    see a small resistor soldered there (one for each channel) across the output. If you feel up to it
    and can get to (reach) the lower one – you can cut them out (you only need to
    cut one lead on each) – this will leave the factory loading resistor on the circuit
    board in place (which is 500K ohm).
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 23,730
    Everything you mentioned w/exception of the gain structure will change, pretty dramatically after a long break in. This is the most frustrating time, waiting for the parts to open up. I know you know that, just giving reassurances.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

    Pass Aleph 30 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Plus DAC | MIT Shotgun S3 | MIT Z P/C's | updated SDA 1C| SQ Box Touch/Welbourne Labs P/S- Tubes add soul!
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,212
    edited June 23
    Give it time....I'd leave it playing 24/7. Worst case scenario, you snap those 2 resistors. Tell us how the sound progresses after a week.

    Did ya ever get those JWM speakers fixed ? Or do ya want to trade for some Bose speakers and ERA D5's ? :p :p
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,212
    Anything working in your favor now that you've got a few hours on it ?
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,389
    Yes and no. I'm having to use an 12ax7 do get the gain I like, but, that puts mids a bit forward and slightly hot. Not something I couldn't live with if forced to, but, it what I want. My left volume motor has developed an issue. It's going back for a volume motor upgrade and maybe some further adjustments, but, not yet. I'm going to put some more break in time on it before sending it back.

    I can't say enough good about Rich Brkich at Signature Sound! He's been great at talking with me about thoughts and plans in trying to get this to where it needs to be.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 39,816
    The volume pot motors in the Joule's tend to strip a gear. I replaced one for brgman in his.
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