Subwoofer for Stereo Rig

Looking to get a Sub for my bedroom rig. A simple unit for music only. Will be use with either Klipchs Heresy or Linn Kelidh's. Source is Peachtree Decco 65 with Bluetooth and Onkyo SACD player. Room is about 15X12X8. Budget around $500.00 Considering:

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/L12.html already own the F25 and very happy.

https://www.svsound.com/collections/1000-series/products/sb-1000

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-1mk3.html

https://emotiva.com/collections/subwoofers/products/basx-s12

https://www.aperionaudio.com/speakers/bravus/bravus-ii-8d-powered-subwoofer-stealth

Will consider used market. Comments welcome.

Cheers
AVR-Onkyo709
AMP- Parasound 2125, Adcom 585
Mains for HT and some Music- RTi12s
Main for Music only- Linn Keilidh or Usher V-601 and SDA 1C
PreAmp for Music: Cary AE-3
Rear- RT150
Center-CSi5
Sub-Rythmik audio F25
Player- Oppo BDP-103


Bedroom rig:
Pionner Elite VSX-30...Onkyo CS-5VL SACD Player....Polk Audio LS70
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 14,667
    How about the Rel for sale in the FM? It is white so that may not be a plus for you.
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  • aiconnaiconn Registered User Posts: 78
    I'm looking for the same thing. I've been leaning toward the HSU, and it being on sale is going to push me to pull the trigger on it.
  • ConradiclesConradicles Posts: 5,735
    DSkip wrote: »
    How about the Rel for sale in the FM?

    bada bing bada boom!
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,309
    That rel has REALLY limited extension compared to most of the others he is looking at. Maybe 35hz in a goof room. The SVS and HSU will hit 25hz easy, probably lower and are very musical.

    I love my little Martin Logan. I have the dynadios running through it and listen to music in pure direct (no SVS). Man it’s a pretty amazing little sub...
    HT Rig:
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,214
    edited February 11
    What kind of music are you listening to that you need to hit 35 and under?
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    That rel has REALLY limited extension compared to most of the others he is looking at. Maybe 35hz in a goof room. The SVS and HSU will hit 25hz easy, probably lower and are very musical.

    I love my little Martin Logan. I have the dynadios running through it and listen to music in pure direct (no SVS). Man it’s a pretty amazing little sub...

    Post edited by Clipdat on
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  • TNTsTunesTNTsTunes Posts: 754
    Clipdat wrote: »
    What kind of music are you listening to that you need to hit 35 and under?
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    That rel has REALLY limited extension compared to most of the others he is looking at. Maybe 35hz in a goof room. The SVS and HSU will hit 25hz easy, probably lower and are very musical.

    I love my little Martin Logan. I have the dynadios running through it and listen to music in pure direct (no SVS). Man it’s a pretty amazing little sub...

    Sometime I get in the mood for Sublime, Everlast, stuff like that. My HSU does a great job,
    "Make a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Light
    a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 6,815
    edited February 12
    Clipdat wrote: »
    What kind of music are you listening to that you need to hit 35 and under?

    I always suggest consult a music chart for the instruments used in the music that you listen to. I like near everything, jazz, pipe organ, rock, pop, classical, new wave, electronic and some dubstep every now and then. Do a room sweep to see if your covered. I don't want just a hint of something or I'm missing the total experience. You get what you accept. ;)

    Look how low a piano can go....and a harp, bass. I have over 10,000 cubic feet to fill so I had to add two subs to shore up the 25-35Hz range. My floor standers are rated +- 3dB 25Hz to 25kHz, however my room will not allow them to play +-3dB throughout that entire frequency range. IIRC I was -10dB in the nethers.


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  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,411
    Excellent point @SCompRacer

    Just because your speakers are rated to x frequency doesn't mean they can reproduce that frequency in the room in which you've placed them. You have to do the math...it's like physics or something.

    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,214
    Interesting. Didn't even know their stuff got down that low!
    TNTsTunes wrote: »
    Sometime I get in the mood for Sublime, Everlast, stuff like that. My HSU does a great job,

    Cool chart, thanks for posting that! I was actually just trying to figure out if there were some other electronic music fans on the forum, hahah. I would expect dnb and dubstep to go below 35hz of course, just didn't realize that other genres regularly dipped that low as well.
    SCompRacer wrote: »

    I always suggest consult a music chart for the instruments used in the music that you listen to. I like near everything, jazz, pipe organ, rock, pop, classical, new wave, electronic and some dubstep every now and then. Do a room sweep to see if your covered. I don't want just a hint of something or I'm missing the total experience. You get what you accept. ;)

    Look how low a piano can go....and a harp, bass. I have over 10,000 cubic feet to fill so I had to add two subs to shore up the 25-35Hz range. My floor standers are rated +- 3dB 25Hz to 25kHz, however my room will not allow them to play +-3dB throughout that entire frequency range. IIRC I was -10dB in the nethers.


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  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 15,737
    @Clipdat

    There are quite a few around here. Look at my threads for one on good bass music and you will find quite a few guys adding to the list of good songs to listen too.

    I openly admit I’m a basshead and dubstep and electronic kinda guy.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,214
    Nice. I should send you a few of my drum n bass DJ mixes, they're great workouts for a sub.
    @Clipdat

    There are quite a few around here. Look at my threads for one on good bass music and you will find quite a few guys adding to the list of good songs to listen too.

    I openly admit I’m a basshead and dubstep and electronic kinda guy.

    Got Dayens?
  • UpstatemaxUpstatemax Posts: 2,217
    I’ve found my SVS SB2000 to be very musical and have great extension.

    Can’t recommend them enough.
    Living room:
    Samsung PN50B860 50" Plasma : XBOX One : Roku Ultra : Oppo UDP-203 : Pioneer Elite SC-87 : APC H15 : Focal 806V mains : Focal 806V Surrounds : SVS SB2000 : SVS SB12-NSD

    2Ch:
    Sonus Faber Venere S : Parasound HCA 1500A : Oppo UDP-205 : Furman Elite 15 DM i : Sony XBR 55X810C Monitor :
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,214
    Great looking sub. Best I've heard in my life is Velodyne, but people rave about SVS. I'll have to hear one of their subs some day.
    Upstatemax wrote: »
    I’ve found my SVS SB2000 to be very musical and have great extension.

    Can’t recommend them enough.

    Got Dayens?
  • gudnoyezgudnoyez Posts: 6,238
    Upstatemax wrote: »
    I’ve found my SVS SB2000 to be very musical and have great extension.

    Can’t recommend them enough.

    One of these days I want to replace my dual PSW 111's and run dual SVS SB2000's.
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  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,411
    edited February 13
    I've owned JBL, Polk, Velodyne, M&K and SVS subs, as well as having personal experience with many of the other brands like DefTech, Paradigm and Klipsch etc, and to date the SVS SB-2000 is the best one I've had in the mix. So impressed by it that I'm looking to move up to the SB-4000 or the SB16-Ultra.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • GlennDogGlennDog Posts: 1,490
    edited February 13
    Irrenhaus wrote: »

    http://www.rythmikaudio.com/L12.html already own the F25 and I'm Very Very Happy.
    Fixed it for ya . . .

    I've got an F12 Direct Servo in a small space and I'm really pleased. You cannot go wrong with another Rythmik!

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  • IrrenhausIrrenhaus Posts: 749
    edited February 16
    Okay so I order the SVS SB12-NSD Subwoofer go it on sale for $399.99 and free shipping.
    Will update as soon It get's in.

    Cheers
    AVR-Onkyo709
    AMP- Parasound 2125, Adcom 585
    Mains for HT and some Music- RTi12s
    Main for Music only- Linn Keilidh or Usher V-601 and SDA 1C
    PreAmp for Music: Cary AE-3
    Rear- RT150
    Center-CSi5
    Sub-Rythmik audio F25
    Player- Oppo BDP-103


    Bedroom rig:
    Pionner Elite VSX-30...Onkyo CS-5VL SACD Player....Polk Audio LS70
  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 12,957
    You will be very, very pleased!
    Sunfire TGP III PrePro, Sunfire Cinema Grand Signature 405wpc 5 ch. Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony Bravia KDL-40R510C TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Boston VR-920 Center Channel, SVS NSD-12 SB12 Subwoofer, Polk DSW 400 Subwoofer, Polk FXi-3 Surround Speakers
  • Alan_rAlan_r Posts: 164
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Nice. I should send you a few of my drum n bass DJ mixes, they're great workouts for a sub.
    @Clipdat

    There are quite a few around here. Look at my threads for one on good bass music and you will find quite a few guys adding to the list of good songs to listen too.

    I openly admit I’m a basshead and dubstep and electronic kinda guy.

    It’s ridiculous how low some of the EDM music can go. Kinda goes with that “feeling” you get when it’s hot. That feeling isn’t in your mind. And it’s only getting better. As I cry in the corner for not being able to hit up another UMF in Miami, I can at least look forward to the 1080p Ultra videos on Youtube to get what’s been missed. Alesso was the best he’s ever been at Ultra17. A pair of PSW505’s do quite well with EDM for sure. But I’m sure I’m missing a lot that twin SVS’s would provide.
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,411
    I think SVS offers an incredible value in subs, especially if you get one of their blow out deals in the outlet.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,307
    Upstatemax wrote: »
    I’ve found my SVS SB2000 to be very musical and have great extension.

    Can’t recommend them enough.

    I picked one up from Kerry myself, and I'm not really a sub guy, but I can say I like this one. It blends in perfectly, doesn't draw attention to itself, fast enough to keep up with music, and plenty of boom for HT. Tight, controlled boom, not muddy or rounded like some other subs.
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    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
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    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
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  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 5,362
    Upstatemax wrote: »
    I’ve found my SVS SB2000 to be very musical and have great extension.

    Can’t recommend them enough.

    Couldn't agree more with SB2000 love it in piano black

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  • Alan_rAlan_r Posts: 164
    In my main living room setup I started out with one 12” sub. Took some time to place it properly but it worked well for 70% of my music. Eventually it dawned on me that two subs would be able to fill in the “holes” left by the room acoustics and the first one. So a second 12” was added and both were placed just outside of the two floorstanders making up the primaries in my system. Accomplished what I wanted.

    However, both are ported subs. It seems to be the general consensus that high powered sealed subs work better for strictly music. Yet ported subs do have advantages regarding SPL and often lower octave extension, depending on port tuning. So I wonder, instead of two ported subs in stereo, have one sealed sub and one ported sub instead. Like a PB1000 on the right and an SB1000 on the left. Bass has turned out to be one of the most complicated parts of tuning a system. Volume and buzz is easy, volume and actually sounding like an instrument is quite difficult.
  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 6,815
    edited February 18
    I tired many combinations with my two subs while doing room sweeps. Best placement for my setup was subs next to and between the speakers and against the wall. Speakers are out ~42" from back wall. Listening area is open to main level with 14 foot ceilings, over 10,000 cubic feet of space.

    Bass frequencies have length. My setup allows for great bass at the listening position. Behind and corners are bloated bass. By moving towards speakers, you can experience boundary effect where the waves cancel and bass disappears, continue moving and it returns. Boundary effect can also cause pressure buildup or over accentuated bass. I use four bass traps, two stacked in one corner with two in opposite corners.

    Sometimes corner placement of subs helps, or behind, to sides, all depends on the room. You can use math to help. Consult the articles at Real Traps, GIK and others. If you can't achieve best results by placement or adjustments, you are looking at bass management in form of DSP or signal processing of the low frequencies.

    Mids can be smoothed by placement of speakers where inches can make a huge difference. I had ESL's for several years and went back to conventional speakers. Placing them in the optimal spot for my ESL's resulted in near -15dB in the mids. I had to go back to basics, experiment until I improved that huge dropout.

    You can get free software for room sweeps, like REW. IIRC you have to join the forum to get it. I purchased Dayton Audio OmniMic V2, ~ $300.

    You have to invest time and effort, get your learn on. In the end, you get what you accept.
    Make yourself necessary to someone. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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  • IrrenhausIrrenhaus Posts: 749
    Okay arriving tomorrow. I will be working from home nice.

    Cheers.
    AVR-Onkyo709
    AMP- Parasound 2125, Adcom 585
    Mains for HT and some Music- RTi12s
    Main for Music only- Linn Keilidh or Usher V-601 and SDA 1C
    PreAmp for Music: Cary AE-3
    Rear- RT150
    Center-CSi5
    Sub-Rythmik audio F25
    Player- Oppo BDP-103


    Bedroom rig:
    Pionner Elite VSX-30...Onkyo CS-5VL SACD Player....Polk Audio LS70
  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 15,737
    Usher V601s!!!!! Those are some awesome speakers...
    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • Yep2Yep2 Posts: 1,124
    edited February 23
    Irrenhaus wrote: »
    So it arrive today. Set it up in the room and doing good so far. Still need to find the right spot in the room. One thing I have noticed is that I need to have the gain input on the sub woofer set very high. I am using the pre-amp outputs of the Decco65.

    I will try over the weekend on the living room setup to see if I get the same results. But still very very happy on how is doing.

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    I always found better results with the sub on a platform with spikes.
    Start in the corners & experiment moving closer or further from the back wall (omni-directional) ditto from the side wall.
    NIce Sub!


  • sgmsmgsgmsmg Posts: 301
    You are lucky your sub arrived safely. I had to refuse delivery of mine yesterday due to Fed Ex mishandling.

    What gain setting do you have the sub set to? There is info on the SVS site about what normal ranges are. Otherwise you run the risk of over driving the amp.
    2 Channel
    Pre:Bryston BP173
    Amp:Bryston 4B3
    Speakers: Golden Ear Triton One
    Source: Oppo UDP-205, Mac Mini, Bryston BDA-3, Bryston BDP-3
    Cables: Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 Speaker, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 XLR, AQ Diamond USB/HDMI
    Power: PS Audio P10 Regenerator, AC12, AC10 and AC5 Cables
    Display: Panasonic TC-P65ZT60

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    Speakers: Polk LSiM 703 (FL, FR, RL, RR), Polk LSiM706 (Center), Polk 900-LS (Atmos)
    Subwoofers: SVS SB13 x 4 +DSPeaker Anti-Mode Dual Core
    Source: Oppo UDP-205, Apple TV, Amazon Fire
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    Power: PS Audio P5 Regenerator, Furman IT Reference 15i, Pangea AC14SE and AC9SE Cables
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  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 2,799
    The picture with the cat reminded me of this. :p

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