WTB: Phono preamp

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,355
    edited February 6
    Do you want a good one or just something to get you started?

    My reason for asking isn't necessarily strictly academic. ;)

    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,209
    Not tube.

    Does that help? :)
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Do you want a good one or just something to get you started?

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,355
    I don't have any spare tube preamps -- well, except that one that doesn't belong to me :blush:
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,209
    Vinyl is warm enough already, why add tubes?
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    I don't have any spare tube preamps -- well, except that one that doesn't belong to me :blush:

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,355
    edited February 6
    heck, even I use a soiled-state phono preamp... but not because of any perceived "tube warmth" thing :)

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    Sorry, these are topics for other threads. Let me check stock & see if I have a worthy surplus -- I might...

    Someone else should chime in, though -- I guarantee that I don't have anything
    this crowd would consider sexy! :/
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,209
    I'm more a fan of Aural Sex, versus how a piece of gear looks.
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Someone else should chime in, though -- I guarantee that I don't have anything
    this crowd would consider sexy! :/

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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 14,666
    edited February 6
    Jump on the Vista Phono tour. You would be next in line demo it.
    audiothesis.com/

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    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
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    Cabling: Wireworld
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,209
    DIP switches ahoy. That thing looks way too complex for my feeble brain.
    DSkip wrote: »
    Jump on the Vista Phono tour. You would be next in line demo it.

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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 14,666
    Set and forget. They are all for matching to the cartridge.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,209
    This is my stylus info:

    Nightclub E Stylus Technical Data

    Output voltage at 1000Hz, 5cm/sec. - 8 mV
    Channel balance at 1kHz - 1,5 dB
    Channel separation at 1kHz - 23 dB
    Channel separation at 15 kHz - 15 dB
    Frequency range at -3dB - 20-22.000 Hz
    Frequency response - 20-20.000 Hz +/- 1,5 dB
    Tracking ability at 315 Hz at recommmende tracking force - 80 μm
    Compliance, dynamic lateral - 7 μm/m N
    Stylus type - Special Elliptical
    Stylus tip radius - r/R 13/25 μm

    Tracking force range - 2,0-5,0 g (20-50 mN)
    Tracking force recommended - 3,0 g (30 mN)
    Tracking angle - 20°
    Internal impedance, DC resistance - 1000 Ohm
    Internal inductance - 580 mH
    Recommended load resistance - 47 kOhm
    Recommended load capacitance - 200-600 pF
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,209
    BTW if these specs suck, don't hesitate to say so.
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  • aprazer402aprazer402 Posts: 1,044
    This one, that I own, is most definitely not sexy. It's maker would not even put a brand on it. It looks to be in fine physical condition. I've never had the desire to test it. :) I too have been wanting to upgrade to a separate phono-pre. Extremely large selection available. mhardy mentioned the Shiit's Mani phono-pre, and the Lounge LCR. Others here like the Vincent and Budgie (both w/tubes). There's the Parasound Zphono, Musical Fidelity MX-Vynl, Cambridge 651P, Pro-Ject Phono Box, various NAD models. There's quite a number available under $500.00 to start with.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,209
    Yeah! There's certainly a lot to choose from.

    I'd like something that's relatively inexpensive, but that doesn't suck. I realize that's a tall order.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 18,355
    The Art DJpre II gets good reports, as does the Schiit Mani (is that the phono preamp? I think so... too lazy to check).

    I can vouch for Hagerman's Bugle and Bugle 2. Very fine little preamps at reasonable prices (DIY).
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • MrBuhlMrBuhl Posts: 2,308
    I don't have one anymore, mine was donated to my son's system. But solid state for a song and a dance that doesn't suck, Project Phono Box comes to mind. Hard to beat IMO.
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    McCormack DNA-1 Power Drive Amp
    Eastern Electric Minimax CDP
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,209
    Thanks for the replies so far. Anyone have anything used that they're looking to sell right now?
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  • trav0810trav0810 Posts: 947
    I Have a Bottle Head Seduction I'd sell. cn2iyx8wekt6.jpg


    It even has a nice pair of vintage Amperex orange Globe tubes in it.

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    I'm asking $200, Shipped CONUS

    I don't ever see these come up for sale, so I don't know what an accurate value is. Fellow members, if my asking price is High, please let me know. If it's low, please let a potential buyer know! LOL
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,209
    Thanks but not looking for a tube based pre.
    trav0810 wrote: »
    I Have a Bottle Head Seduction I'd sell.

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  • trav0810trav0810 Posts: 947
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Thanks but not looking for a tube based pre.
    trav0810 wrote: »
    I Have a Bottle Head Seduction I'd sell.

    Ah...yeah, I see that now.
    The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits.” -Albert Einstein

    Sony Playstation 3 for CD and Streaming
    Thorens TD320
    Modified Carver C-1
    Carver TFM 42 and 45 Amplifiers
    Polk RTA15TL Speakers w/Decato mods
    White Lightning Moonshine DIY Speaker Cables and Interconnects
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,209
    Been doing some reading, and it seems like the 8.0mV output of my cartridge is unusually high for most MM cartridges.

    As a result, I could probably get away with a phono preamp that uses less gain, or that has variable settings. The rationale being that less gain needed = better sound quality.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,209
    Is it always on? I don't see a power switch.
    nbrowser wrote: »
    Find one of these, excellent performance for it's price and size. one found it's way here....not leaving any time soon sadly.

    http://www.parasound.com/zphono.php

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,209
    Nice. Might have to find something like a small piece of electrical tape to put over the power light.

    AA has them for $200, not bad.
    nbrowser wrote: »
    Yep, plug it in and forget it. It draws so little power that Parasound just doesn't put a switch on it. Mine's been on steady since the day it arrived, no ill has come to it.

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,209
    Nice. Might be dim enough then. It's for my bedroom setup so any "standby" LEDs are usually annoying.
    nbrowser wrote: »
    Draws all of 5 watts and...the LED on the one that I have is green and really not blindingly bright.

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  • tratlifftratliff Posts: 625
    zPhone is great for the price. If you can find one used even better.
    2 Channel
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    Theater
    Yamaha RX-Z9, Legacy Focus SE (same as 2 Channel system), Def Tech C/L/R 2500, Def Tech BP-2X, Def Tech Pro-Monitors, Vizio M-75

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    Bed Room
    Yamaha YSP-5100 digital sound projector, Sharp Aquos 70"

  • Vincent PHO-8 or the PHO-7, both big bang for the buck.

    Audio Advisor has them on sale on a regular basis.
    2 channel: Anthem 225 Integrated amp; Parasound Ztuner; TechnicsTT SL1350; Vincent PHO-8 phono pre; Marantz CD6005 spinner; Polk Signature S60's;Cables: Wireworld Eclipse IC; Audioquest Big Sur IC; Zu Audio Mission speaker cables; PS Audio AC-3 power cords, all into a PS Audio Dectet Power center.

    All TV's sound enhanced by Polk Magnfi Mini's.

    Other; SDA2BTL's, M10 series II, M7C's, Hafler XL600 amp, RB-980BX, Parasound HCA-1500 amp , P5 preamp, all in storage.

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  • dromundsdromunds Posts: 7,034
    Get on the Vista Phono tour like Skip says and see how you like it. Don't be intimidated by the switches for load and gain, Skip or someone else can walk you thru how to set the switches its super easy once you understand the set-up. See how you like it, as he said you'd be next on the tour. If you find you need to go even more budget than that, or it doesn't trip your trigger for some other reason, I would suggest finding a used Parasound z-phono, (without the USB option) I found one for a buddy for a hundy shipped. Tremendous bang for buck.
  • dromundsdromunds Posts: 7,034
    After typing the above, I noticed Kharp1 is selling his Vista Audio at a very attractive price. Read the reviews from the tour, its a real nice unit and his price is very reasonable to say the least, virtually brand new.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,209
    I wonder how the Vista would directly compare to the Zphono and what the differences would be.
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  • JaybeezJaybeez Posts: 677
    I’m getting ready to sell one of these : http://www.loungeaudio.com/lcr-mr-iii
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,209
    Is there a way to turn off the blue light?
    Jaybeez wrote: »
    I’m getting ready to sell one of these : http://www.loungeaudio.com/lcr-mr-iii

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