Help Me Spend My $$$

I am always in this debate...crossovers on my 2Bs or REAL amplification?! I have always desired a Marantz Model 250 but do need these crossovers refreshed. I can only do one this year, I can do the other the next.

GAHHH
Living room

Mains: SDA 2B Studio
Lows: Velodyne CHT12
Power: Marantz SR7000 Preouts to Yamaha AV34
Tv: Samsung UHD 55' Curved

2 Channel/Bedroom

*under construction*
Polk TSI 200
Power: Marantz PM235
CDP: Technics SL-PD688
TT: Pioneer PL510

Noggin Rockin'

Grado SR80e
Harman Kardon CL
Little dot 1+/GE JAN 5654w

Closet of Dreams:

Harman Kardon AVR130
Yamaha HTR5590
Paradigm Monitor 90
Polk RTA11TL
New Large Advents 25th Anniversary Edition
Bravo V2/RCA Clear top Conn branded 12AU7

"Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
" I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88

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  • MrBuhlMrBuhl Posts: 2,114
    Tough one, IMO, a Marantz 250 is likely to need some refreshing too at this point won't it? If that's the case, I would do the crossovers first.

    If you're talking about getting something shiny and relatively new and going separates, I would do the amp.

    There, I managed to provide no solution and give two answers, my work is done.
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    Dodd 50W Dual Mono EL34 Amp
    Polk SDA1c modded
    Soundcraftsmen PCR800
    Yamaha YP-D6
    Bottlehead Foreplay (modded)
    Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's
    Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
    McCormack DNA-1 Power Drive Amp
    Eastern Electric Minimax CDP
    Infinity RS5b Speakers
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 28,368
    crossovers...
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    Sony 4k bdp
    Sony 4k 55 850c
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  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,258
    MrBuhl wrote: »
    Tough one, IMO, a Marantz 250 is likely to need some refreshing too at this point won't it? If that's the case, I would do the crossovers first.

    If you're talking about getting something shiny and relatively new and going separates, I would do the amp.

    There, I managed to provide no solution and give two answers, my work is done.

    I saw one on Ebay for $599 that was just serviced. I didn't go into the details of what was refreshed but will look again.

    @tonyb I know this is probably what I should do but I think of it like this. What if I have to put my 2Bs away or end up with a different pair of speakers until I have the REAL space for them. The money will not be wasted but won't be enjoyed, I know the crossovers will make the biggest difference in sound quality especially with my almost 20 year old caps.

    Would it be worth it to go cheaper on the crossovers (not Sonic Caps) and get maybe a Parasound HCA1500? I have a nice Denon Preamp in my closet that needs some deoxit but should be good besides that.
    Living room

    Mains: SDA 2B Studio
    Lows: Velodyne CHT12
    Power: Marantz SR7000 Preouts to Yamaha AV34
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' Curved

    2 Channel/Bedroom

    *under construction*
    Polk TSI 200
    Power: Marantz PM235
    CDP: Technics SL-PD688
    TT: Pioneer PL510

    Noggin Rockin'

    Grado SR80e
    Harman Kardon CL
    Little dot 1+/GE JAN 5654w

    Closet of Dreams:

    Harman Kardon AVR130
    Yamaha HTR5590
    Paradigm Monitor 90
    Polk RTA11TL
    New Large Advents 25th Anniversary Edition
    Bravo V2/RCA Clear top Conn branded 12AU7

    "Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
    " I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
  • ConradiclesConradicles Posts: 5,524
    I would go less expensive crossovers and a new amp. Both problems solved. I have used Jantzen and Dayton caps with excellent results.
  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 1,982
    Personally, I would find a good condition Parasound HCA-1500 and wait on the crossovers or just make minor updates to them. Have the tweeters on the 2Bs been updated already? If not, that's where I would start.
    1. Polk LSiM707, 704C, 703; Dual SVS SB2000 subwoofers; Marantz SR7011 receiver; Parasound A23 amp; Oppo 205; Toshiba HD-DVD Player; Sony 65" 4K TV; FIOS; PS Audio Power Plant Premier; MIT S2 cables
    2. JM Labs Electra 920.1; Parasound JC2 Preamp; Sonic Frontiers Power 2 amp; Sony HAP-Z1ES; Oppo 105D; Music Hall MMF7 and Acoustech phono pre; PS Audio P1000; MIT S1 Cables
    3. Polk LSiM703; Pioneer Elite SC97 receiver; Oppo 203; Squeezebox Touch; MIT S3 cables
  • smglbrthsmglbrth Posts: 1,035
    If there is nothing spooky going on with your 2B's then definitely an amp. Tweeters are a must if you haven't done that already, so, that would be first, then the amp. My .02....
  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,258
    Emlyn wrote: »
    Personally, I would find a good condition Parasound HCA-1500 and wait on the crossovers or just make minor updates to them. Have the tweeters on the 2Bs been updated already? If not, that's where I would start.

    I did get some RD0 194s but both batches were bad and cause a resonance on certain piano frequencies. I put the SL2000s back in for now, kinda put off of the Rd0s due to bad experience. I don't want to drop another $90 for buzzing tweets.
    Living room

    Mains: SDA 2B Studio
    Lows: Velodyne CHT12
    Power: Marantz SR7000 Preouts to Yamaha AV34
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' Curved

    2 Channel/Bedroom

    *under construction*
    Polk TSI 200
    Power: Marantz PM235
    CDP: Technics SL-PD688
    TT: Pioneer PL510

    Noggin Rockin'

    Grado SR80e
    Harman Kardon CL
    Little dot 1+/GE JAN 5654w

    Closet of Dreams:

    Harman Kardon AVR130
    Yamaha HTR5590
    Paradigm Monitor 90
    Polk RTA11TL
    New Large Advents 25th Anniversary Edition
    Bravo V2/RCA Clear top Conn branded 12AU7

    "Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
    " I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
  • MrBuhlMrBuhl Posts: 2,114
    edited February 6
    If you hurry - there are still some Clarity caps out there for close out in the PX and ESA line, but the quantities are dwindling fast, my 2Btl's have Solen in the low-pass and ESA's up high and sound great IMO. Come to think of it, I might have some 12uf Clarity PX leftover at home I would give you. I'll check weekend after next and let you know if you're interested.
    VA HT HK AVR20II, Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD, Polk Audio RC80i / Polk Audio CSi3, 60" Panasonic Plasma, Nordost / Signal Cable A2 / Wireworld / Pangea / Magic Power
    VA 2 Channel , McCormack DNA 0.5 (SMc Gold) Amp, MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp, Polk SDA2BTL (fully modded), A/L 1000VA Dreadnought, Canare 4s11 SDA cable, Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD, Music Hall mmf 5.1 Turntable, Vincent Pho-700 Phono Pre, MIT S3 IC's / MIT Shotgun S3 Speaker Cables / Pangea & Signal Cable MP power
    Noggin Schiit Valhalla, Pangea, Phillips Fidelio X1, Polk UF8000
    LA Toobs Pass Labs X150.5 Amp, Eastern Electric MiniMax Preamp, Polk LSIM705, Marantz DV8300 SACD, VPI Nomad Turntable w/Ortofon 2M Bronze, MIT AVt3 Speaker & RCA Cables, Pangea & Signal Cable MP power

    Dodd Mid Level Preamp ("on the bench" w/Charlie)
    Dodd 50W Dual Mono EL34 Amp
    Polk SDA1c modded
    Soundcraftsmen PCR800
    Yamaha YP-D6
    Bottlehead Foreplay (modded)
    Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's
    Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
    McCormack DNA-1 Power Drive Amp
    Eastern Electric Minimax CDP
    Infinity RS5b Speakers
  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,258
    I also plan on spiking the 2Bs as I lost a lot of bass reinforcement when going from a carpeted room to a wood floored room. I hope that will restore what I am missing.
    Living room

    Mains: SDA 2B Studio
    Lows: Velodyne CHT12
    Power: Marantz SR7000 Preouts to Yamaha AV34
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' Curved

    2 Channel/Bedroom

    *under construction*
    Polk TSI 200
    Power: Marantz PM235
    CDP: Technics SL-PD688
    TT: Pioneer PL510

    Noggin Rockin'

    Grado SR80e
    Harman Kardon CL
    Little dot 1+/GE JAN 5654w

    Closet of Dreams:

    Harman Kardon AVR130
    Yamaha HTR5590
    Paradigm Monitor 90
    Polk RTA11TL
    New Large Advents 25th Anniversary Edition
    Bravo V2/RCA Clear top Conn branded 12AU7

    "Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
    " I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,258
    MrBuhl wrote: »
    If you hurry - there are still some Clarity caps out there for close out in the PX and ESA line, but the quantities are dwindling fast, my 2Btl's have Solen in the low-pass and ESA's up high and sound great IMO. Come to think of it, I might have some 12uf Clarity PX leftover at home I would give you. I'll check weekend after next and let you know if you're interested.

    Bonus won't be in until later this month but I plan to go through Dave (DHS) to upgrade the crossovers as my soldering skills are how do I put it...non existent? Yeah that sounds about right.
    Living room

    Mains: SDA 2B Studio
    Lows: Velodyne CHT12
    Power: Marantz SR7000 Preouts to Yamaha AV34
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' Curved

    2 Channel/Bedroom

    *under construction*
    Polk TSI 200
    Power: Marantz PM235
    CDP: Technics SL-PD688
    TT: Pioneer PL510

    Noggin Rockin'

    Grado SR80e
    Harman Kardon CL
    Little dot 1+/GE JAN 5654w

    Closet of Dreams:

    Harman Kardon AVR130
    Yamaha HTR5590
    Paradigm Monitor 90
    Polk RTA11TL
    New Large Advents 25th Anniversary Edition
    Bravo V2/RCA Clear top Conn branded 12AU7

    "Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
    " I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,258
    TNTsTunes wrote: »
    Emlyn wrote: »
    Personally, I would find a good condition Parasound HCA-1500 and wait on the crossovers or just make minor updates to them. Have the tweeters on the 2Bs been updated already? If not, that's where I would start.

    I did get some RD0 194s but both batches were bad and cause a resonance on certain piano frequencies. I put the SL2000s back in for now, kinda put off of the Rd0s due to bad experience. I don't want to drop another $90 for buzzing tweets.

    Skip the RDO194's and rebuild the crossovers so they use RDO198's.

    SDA 2BTL's for the win.

    I know TLing them is advised, I will discuss with Dave when the time comes but I am seriously considering it.
    Living room

    Mains: SDA 2B Studio
    Lows: Velodyne CHT12
    Power: Marantz SR7000 Preouts to Yamaha AV34
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' Curved

    2 Channel/Bedroom

    *under construction*
    Polk TSI 200
    Power: Marantz PM235
    CDP: Technics SL-PD688
    TT: Pioneer PL510

    Noggin Rockin'

    Grado SR80e
    Harman Kardon CL
    Little dot 1+/GE JAN 5654w

    Closet of Dreams:

    Harman Kardon AVR130
    Yamaha HTR5590
    Paradigm Monitor 90
    Polk RTA11TL
    New Large Advents 25th Anniversary Edition
    Bravo V2/RCA Clear top Conn branded 12AU7

    "Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
    " I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,909
    Speakers first. Stock sda are not pleasant in my experience. Upgraded they are definite contenders.
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  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 1,564
    Crossovers with built-in amplification or amplifier with built-in crossovers.

    Either way = problem solved.
  • Gerres26Gerres26 Posts: 248
    MrBuhl wrote: »
    If you hurry - there are still some Clarity caps out there for close out in the PX and ESA line, but the quantities are dwindling fast, my 2Btl's have Solen in the low-pass and ESA's up high and sound great IMO. Come to think of it, I might have some 12uf Clarity PX leftover at home I would give you. I'll check weekend after next and let you know if you're interested.

    I agree to go with the crossovers first. I was able to snag all of my clarity esa caps at like half off a little while back due to close out sales. Definitely made buying nicer caps a little easier on the wallet.
  • gmcmangmcman Posts: 931
    Crossovers.

    That way once you start changing components further up the chain, you will be able to hear what the end result will be.
  • dpowelldpowell Posts: 2,738
    If those are your long-term speakers then do the XOs. Those old caps are worn out. You'll be surprised how much better they'll sound overall including improved bass response with new caps.
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  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,258
    dpowell wrote: »
    If those are your long-term speakers then do the XOs. Those old caps are worn out. You'll be surprised how much better they'll sound overall including improved bass response with new caps.

    Oh I don't doubt it, I think the loss of bass response is placement (still 6 inches off the backwall but I have them 8 feet apart with a entertainment center between them) and my new room which is laminate wood flooring instead of carpet. I am hoping that spikes will help with this, if not ill just deal with it.
    Living room

    Mains: SDA 2B Studio
    Lows: Velodyne CHT12
    Power: Marantz SR7000 Preouts to Yamaha AV34
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' Curved

    2 Channel/Bedroom

    *under construction*
    Polk TSI 200
    Power: Marantz PM235
    CDP: Technics SL-PD688
    TT: Pioneer PL510

    Noggin Rockin'

    Grado SR80e
    Harman Kardon CL
    Little dot 1+/GE JAN 5654w

    Closet of Dreams:

    Harman Kardon AVR130
    Yamaha HTR5590
    Paradigm Monitor 90
    Polk RTA11TL
    New Large Advents 25th Anniversary Edition
    Bravo V2/RCA Clear top Conn branded 12AU7

    "Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
    " I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
  • Maybe spend some of your dough on a powered sub?

    Spikes improve pretty much all speakers. Fact!
  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,258
    Slapaho wrote: »
    Maybe spend some of your dough on a powered sub?

    Spikes improve pretty much all speakers. Fact!

    I currently have a Velodyne CHT12 in the mix so that's covered.
    Living room

    Mains: SDA 2B Studio
    Lows: Velodyne CHT12
    Power: Marantz SR7000 Preouts to Yamaha AV34
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' Curved

    2 Channel/Bedroom

    *under construction*
    Polk TSI 200
    Power: Marantz PM235
    CDP: Technics SL-PD688
    TT: Pioneer PL510

    Noggin Rockin'

    Grado SR80e
    Harman Kardon CL
    Little dot 1+/GE JAN 5654w

    Closet of Dreams:

    Harman Kardon AVR130
    Yamaha HTR5590
    Paradigm Monitor 90
    Polk RTA11TL
    New Large Advents 25th Anniversary Edition
    Bravo V2/RCA Clear top Conn branded 12AU7

    "Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
    " I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,258
    Update - Packed my crossovers up and getting them shipped out to @westmassguy today for some upgrades. Pretty excited to take this step and see what comes of it.
    Living room

    Mains: SDA 2B Studio
    Lows: Velodyne CHT12
    Power: Marantz SR7000 Preouts to Yamaha AV34
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' Curved

    2 Channel/Bedroom

    *under construction*
    Polk TSI 200
    Power: Marantz PM235
    CDP: Technics SL-PD688
    TT: Pioneer PL510

    Noggin Rockin'

    Grado SR80e
    Harman Kardon CL
    Little dot 1+/GE JAN 5654w

    Closet of Dreams:

    Harman Kardon AVR130
    Yamaha HTR5590
    Paradigm Monitor 90
    Polk RTA11TL
    New Large Advents 25th Anniversary Edition
    Bravo V2/RCA Clear top Conn branded 12AU7

    "Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
    " I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 28,368
    Cool man, they're in good hands.
    ERA D-5
    B&K 1403
    Cary Xciter dac
    Joule LA-100
    SVS SB-2000 SUB
    Sony 4k bdp
    Sony 4k 55 850c
    FX 500 surround
    Acoustic zen Satori SC's
    Pioneer elite vsx21
    Sonos-Cullen mod.
    Audio Metallurgy GA-0 digital
    PS Audio Quintet
    Analysis Plus crystal ovals
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2's IC
    Wireworld eclipse 7 Ic's
  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,258
    I plan on spiking these at the same time. Anything in particular I need to know about removing the riser and drilling the holes?
    Living room

    Mains: SDA 2B Studio
    Lows: Velodyne CHT12
    Power: Marantz SR7000 Preouts to Yamaha AV34
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' Curved

    2 Channel/Bedroom

    *under construction*
    Polk TSI 200
    Power: Marantz PM235
    CDP: Technics SL-PD688
    TT: Pioneer PL510

    Noggin Rockin'

    Grado SR80e
    Harman Kardon CL
    Little dot 1+/GE JAN 5654w

    Closet of Dreams:

    Harman Kardon AVR130
    Yamaha HTR5590
    Paradigm Monitor 90
    Polk RTA11TL
    New Large Advents 25th Anniversary Edition
    Bravo V2/RCA Clear top Conn branded 12AU7

    "Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
    " I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 153
    edited February 14
    You could remove the base, use it for a template, cut you an insert and install it to make it flush at the bottom. Just a thought
  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,258
    audioluvr wrote: »
    You could remove the base, use it for a template, cut you an insert and install it to make it flush at the bottom. Just a thought

    I don't have experience with wood work or removing them ao I am more curious of it is held on my glue and I slowly and carefully pry it off with even distribution etc etc.
    Living room

    Mains: SDA 2B Studio
    Lows: Velodyne CHT12
    Power: Marantz SR7000 Preouts to Yamaha AV34
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' Curved

    2 Channel/Bedroom

    *under construction*
    Polk TSI 200
    Power: Marantz PM235
    CDP: Technics SL-PD688
    TT: Pioneer PL510

    Noggin Rockin'

    Grado SR80e
    Harman Kardon CL
    Little dot 1+/GE JAN 5654w

    Closet of Dreams:

    Harman Kardon AVR130
    Yamaha HTR5590
    Paradigm Monitor 90
    Polk RTA11TL
    New Large Advents 25th Anniversary Edition
    Bravo V2/RCA Clear top Conn branded 12AU7

    "Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
    " I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 153
    Flip them upside down and post a picture. So we can see what you're dealing with
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