Sad news on physical media

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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 7,952
    edited February 2018
    tonyb wrote: »
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    I think you're missing the fact that I can stream a virtually unlimited library at cd quality for 20 bucks a month, and the labels are not making much from this model. So Unless there is a connection between the end of physical media and the increase royalties from streaming companies (or the end of streaming as we know it which I don't see happening), then I don't see why the labels would want to end physical media.

    Put it this way, I guarantee labels make more money off selling a physical cd (even at a discounted rate on amazon) than they make from me streaming the same album on Tidal. So why get rid of CDs???


    Your kinda making my point. If you can stream cd quality for 20 bucks a month, what does that do for physical media ? Royalties wise, the artists get screwed.

    If you buy a physical cd, royalties get paid once, the label gets paid once. I can then download that cd and SHARE it with others with no further royalties being paid....and as many times and with as many people as I wish.

    The artists get screwed on music services, which is why most are touring again....even the old timers. The artists would love to sell cd's and albums, That's not the trend though. Some will produce their own cd's and bypass the labels, but not too many have the coin to do so. Aside from production costs, art, you have marketing and distribution. How many bands/singers are proficient in these areas ? Sure, they can farm out these tasks, but you have to pay along the way to each entity eating up profits.

    We're talking past each other I believe. My point is one without the other does the labels no good. If you end physical media but don't address the lack of royalties from streaming and youtube, then you are just cutting out one revenue stream, though an admittedly shrinking one. They make so little from streaming at this point...

    This new bill and the lawsuit against Spotify might just transform streaming the way that this lawsuit paved the way for paid streaming: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A&M_Records,_Inc._v._Napster,_Inc.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,481
    the record companies and streaming services will always find a way to foul out the artist.
  • gudnoyez
    gudnoyez Posts: 8,056
    edited February 2018




    I think both worlds can coexist, but that doesn't translate to more profits for the labels. There seems to be a lost art, this generation never knew. That's the art of cruising vinyl/cd stores and looking at the cover art. It was sort of a romantic experience....a connection with the music that has been lost these past few generations. If your a book reader, the same thing has happened. Cruising the book store and glancing over the book art, scanning the prologue, and the feel of a real book in your hands can also be a religious experience. Now you have to read books on a screen, ereader, tablet/phone etc.[/quote]


    That's why I'm glad we have a few independent stores in the area there is nothing better than reminiscing the old times of flipping through new and old vinyl and CDs' the one I frequent the most has that old 70s vibe concert shirts, posters, used vintage gear music playing while your sort through the selections deciding what to get. I hope the new trend the labels are going will give the indepents more business.
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
    edited February 2018
    tonyb wrote: »
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    The demise of physical media is exactly what the labels want and there's a ton of suckers falling for it.

    Please explain.

    I won't answer for him, but I'm guessing because it's cheaper for the labels to sell digital files than bear the costs of producing physical media. Plus they can actually charge more than what they were getting selling a cd.

    CD'S won't completely go away. They may become a niche market though. People still want cd's, even if it's to download them on their own server to stream.

    I think both worlds can coexist, but that doesn't translate to more profits for the labels. There seems to be a lost art, this generation never knew. That's the art of cruising vinyl/cd stores and looking at the cover art. It was sort of a romantic experience....a connection with the music that has been lost these past few generations. If your a book reader, the same thing has happened. Cruising the book store and glancing over the book art, scanning the prologue, and the feel of a real book in your hands can also be a religious experience. Now you have to read books on a screen, ereader, tablet/phone etc.

    CD's aren't going anywhere, they are simply being removed from B&M stores. If I want a CD, I simply go to Amazon and buy it and nine times out of ten I'll get a free digital download of it as well.

    As for the art of cruising music & books stores, I have totally lost interest in doing so. It's a big time waster, and usually I come home empty handed. For cd's, music and movies, and some ebooks I go to Amazon.

    I stopped buy paper books years ago for 1. The print simply got too hard to read comfortably. 2. Ran out of space to put said books. 3. Rising costs.

    Since switching over first to a Sony Ereader and now to using my Smart phone or tablet, I have 1,620 books to choose from on all of them as well as my pc. And the best thing of all, is that I can adjust the font to a size that is comfortable for me to read for hours!

    I am also able to download library books which cost me nothing, and purchase other books for a fraction of the cost that going to a store would cost me in time and money. The Library books are from the major publishing companies, and the others are authors who are publishing their own books which the publishing companies would refuse to publish in favor of their few mega authors most of whom I'm not interested in reading.

    I'm not interested in hanging on to the past just because it's the past especially if I don't benefit from it. Life doesn't stand still, so I can't do so either. I'd much rather continue to learn and grow and jump on the current improvements that life has to offer.

    This all comes down to choice Tony, and now more than ever before, due to advances, we have more choices, and can decide for ourselves what's convenient and right for ourselves!
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  • Viking64
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    cfrizz wrote: »
    I have 1620 books....

    You mean ones about the Pilgrims? I am related to some of those Mayflower folks. Francis Eaton and family, John Tilley and family, and John Howland. I would share more information about who John Howland married, but it's too naughty for this forum. :p
  • F1nut
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    rooftop59 wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    The demise of physical media is exactly what the labels want and there's a ton of suckers falling for it.

    Please explain.

    You don't really own anything. That's what the labels want, total control.
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  • txcoastal1
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    The only thing BB is doing, is using their CD space for items that render better profit...happens all the time
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,481
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    The only thing BB is doing, is using their CD space for items that render better profit...happens all the time

    They fouled up their CD space when they switched to them awful racks that make you crawl around on your hands and knees to see anything below the 3rd shelf. In all honesty they really quit selling 5yrs ago. Now corporate can say look here's the metrics on sales that slid 5 yrs ago.
  • Emlyn
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    Rick88 wrote: »
    Funny how BB is going to stop selling CDs, but you can now walk into Walmart and buy vinyl...

    I was in a local Barnes and Noble store a couple of weeks ago and saw hundreds of LPs sitting in old school display racks. There was a really good mix of re-release classic albums and new releases. The racks took up about a third of the media section in the store. Gave me vinyl flashbacks to 1980.
  • erniejade
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    Outside of the Bay City Rollers and Terry Jacks seasons in the sun cd's I bought for @tonyb birthday, I haven't bought a cd since got Tidal.
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  • My 2cents goes back to the format wars of DVD-A and SACD, if one would have come out ahead it may have given the hard media additional life. The next level of high quality format died before the old one was done.
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  • nooshinjohn
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    erniejade wrote: »
    Outside of the Bay City Rollers and Terry Jacks seasons in the sun cd's I bought for @tonyb birthday, I haven't bought a cd since got Tidal.
    You blew it... he only listens to K-tel releases of Slim Whitman and Tiny Tim. When he’s feeling funky, occasionally some Barry Manilow, but that’s about it. Next time ask us so he won’t regift that stuff to someone else.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,481
    edited February 2018
    erniejade wrote: »
    Terry Jacks seasons in the sun cd
    Wow last time i heard that Larry Lujack was playing it on WLS.

  • nooshinjohn
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    The prices of CD players on the secondary market have cratered recently as well. I can’t give my Krell Evo away.
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  • erniejade
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    erniejade wrote: »
    Outside of the Bay City Rollers and Terry Jacks seasons in the sun cd's I bought for @tonyb birthday, I haven't bought a cd since got Tidal.
    You blew it... he only listens to K-tel releases of Slim Whitman and Tiny Tim. When he’s feeling funky, occasionally some Barry Manilow, but that’s about it. Next time ask us so he won’t regift that stuff to someone else.

    Maybe he will give it to @pitdogg2 for his birthday coming up.

    Pit, right after old uncle Larry played it, i think he followed it up with Gilbert O Sullivan alone argain naturally before Animal stories.
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  • Clipdat
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    Oh, you can "give it away", all right. I'm your man. I'll even pay for shipping! Boom!
    The prices of CD players on the secondary market have cratered recently as well. I can’t give my Krell Evo away.

  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,034
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Oh, you can "give it away", all right. I'm your man. I'll even pay for shipping! Boom!
    The prices of CD players on the secondary market have cratered recently as well. I can’t give my Krell Evo away.

    Tonyb... would you take care of my light work for me please? :D:p
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  • kharp1
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    Clipdat wrote: »
    Oh, you can "give it away", all right. I'm your man. I'll even pay for shipping! Boom!
    The prices of CD players on the secondary market have cratered recently as well. I can’t give my Krell Evo away.

    Tonyb... would you take care of my light work for me please? :D:p

    Yo, Tone, dat don't mean yous gotta whack em.
  • Clipdat
    Clipdat Posts: 12,560
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHzh0PvMWTI
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Yo, Tone, dat don't mean yous gotta whack em.

  • nooshinjohn
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