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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,083
    Glad to hear you like it. What you described is exactly what happens when you remove excess noise from the signal. Hearing is believing....rock on.
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    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    I almost didn't want to believe my ears, but I believe it did create a blacker background.

    I changed a lot of different things in the system at once. I put my 703s on isolation pads with a downward angle toward my listening position, I put Wireworld Eclipse 7 RCA into the mix from preamp out to power amps, and I added a tube to my Schiit Saga preamp - which I did not hear a difference at all from.

    Anyway, during my listening the thing I kept coming back to is how clean and coherent everything was. And when the notes would decay out, it just sounded so pristine.

    Excited to try out an aftermarket power cord in the near future.
    tonyb wrote: »
    Glad to hear you like it. What you described is exactly what happens when you remove excess noise from the signal. Hearing is believing....rock on.

    Got Dayens?
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    Oh, something else that I forgot to mention, I'm trying to make a mental shift in the way that I approach my setup.

    Instead of focusing on what one particular cable does or one tube change does, I'm trying to think of it as one whole system that works together and has good synergy.

    The goal is to get to a point where everything is working together nicely and I can not touch the configuration of it for a while.
    Got Dayens?
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,341
    Well, that's no fun! How can we spend your money if you're working towards a "hands off" approach to your system.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    Got any power cord recommendations?

    Aftermarket PCs and a rack that doesn't wobble when my TT is on it are on my to-do list.
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Well, that's no fun! How can we spend your money if you're working towards a "hands off" approach to your system.

    Got Dayens?
  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 6,521
    I would try some AQ power cables.

    Or some shunyatas
    Joey's Gear:
    Current Gear:
    Torus RM15 -> Emm Labs DAC2x and TSDX Transport -> Cary SLP-05 preamp -> Boulder 2060 stereo amp (w/ Audioquest WEL Signature) -> new speakers
    Rotel RA1592 Super Integrated -> Sonus Faber Olympica 3
    Rotel RC1570 preamp -> Rotel RB1582 amp -> Focal Kanta 2

    Old Gear:
    Speakers: BW PM1 (3.5/5), CM10s2 (3.75/5), BW800D3 (5/5), Rockport Aviors (5/5), Sonus Faber Stradivari (5/5), BW 802D2 (4.5/5), Martin Logan Summits (4.25/5), Martin Logan Vantage (4/5), Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor (3.75/5), AV123 Strata Mini (3.5/5), ML Mosaic (3.25/5), Onix Ref1 (3/5), Sonus Faber Concerto (2.75/5), SF Concertino (2.5/5), Axiom M22ti (2/5), Polk LSi9 (3/5), LSi7 (2.9/5)
    Source: Squeezebox 3 -> PS Audio Digital Link III -> Cary 306/200 CDP -> Cary 306 SACD -> EMM LABS DAC2X/TSDX
    Preamplification: Rotel RC1070 -> Rogue Perseus -> Cary SLP98 -> Cary SLP98F1 -> Cary SLP05 (sold and then repurchased)
    Amplification: HK AVR330 -> Rotel RB1070 -> Rotel RB1090 -> Plinius SA102 -> Cary 211FE -> Classe M600 -> Boulder 2060
    Subwoofer: Infinity Entra2 sub -> SVS 25-31PC+ sub
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    Thanks. I'll keep my eyes open in the FS thread.
    Joey_V wrote: »
    I would try some AQ power cables.

    Or some shunyatas

    Got Dayens?
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 9,956
    I would be careful with the Venom power cords. A few years ago, I bought two at $100 each for my Cambridge Audio amps, and haven't looked back. I was so amazed what a $100 cable could do that two weeks later I had to find out what a $1000 cable could do. :)
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,341
    edited March 6
    I have two Shunyata's, a Python Alpha and a Venom. The Venom, IMO, is nothing special. The Python is a whole other story. The Venom I have could be had for a song...well, maybe a song and a dance. Wouldn't mind a bag of Cheetos as well.

    Have the PS Audio AC3, which was a good buy at $99, but, nothing like the Python.9 The WW Equinox kind of goes in the nothing special category for me as well.

    I know there has to be other great ones out there, it's just hard to try if I can't catch a great deal. $1k for a cable gets close to JoeyV territory, and I can't run with them guys.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • verbverb Posts: 2,571
    Clipdat wrote: »
    I almost didn't want to believe my ears, but I believe it did create a blacker background.

    I changed a lot of different things in the system at once. I put my 703s on isolation pads with a downward angle toward my listening position, I put Wireworld Eclipse 7 RCA into the mix from preamp out to power amps, and I added a tube to my Schiit Saga preamp - which I did not hear a difference at all from.

    Anyway, during my listening the thing I kept coming back to is how clean and coherent everything was. And when the notes would decay out, it just sounded so pristine.

    Excited to try out an aftermarket power cord in the near future.
    tonyb wrote: »
    Glad to hear you like it. What you described is exactly what happens when you remove excess noise from the signal. Hearing is believing....rock on.

    I'm with ya. I totally changed everything in my rig since joining CP. But that is another story. My new rig: 6 equations, 6 unknowns, impossible to solve. I can say my system as a whole sounds way better. So now I have my new baseline. Going forward, I can swap out components one at a time, and like you should be able to discern any differences. Hopefully for the better! What fun!
    2CH: Polk SDA 1C's, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, Rotel 1580 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Carver TX8 Tuner, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Cables
    Office: PC, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    It would certainly be an interesting test to see if I could hear a clear difference between a $100 and $1000 power cord. My gut reaction is that I would not be able to tell a huge difference.

    Maybe that's just because like Kerry said below, $1000 PCs are way out of my league.
    BlueFox wrote: »
    I would be careful with the Venom power cords. A few years ago, I bought two at $100 each for my Cambridge Audio amps, and haven't looked back. I was so amazed what a $100 cable could do that two weeks later I had to find out what a $1000 cable could do. :)

    Sounds like you've tried several different brands. Were they all dramatically different?

    I was thinking about jumping in blind to some Wireworld power cords since I already have their interconnects. However, I'm not a huge fan of how their cable jackets are made out of stinky PVC and off-gas something awful for several weeks.

    I recall a PS Audio power cord being mentioned in a review that I read, and the author actually described the sound as something like "cold, hard, and slow", and attributed it to the way the cable used ferrite material in the jacket for shielding.

    It seems crazy that a power cord could alter the sound to that extent.
    kharp1 wrote: »
    I have two Shunyata's, a Python Alpha and a Venom. The Venom, IMO, is nothing special. The Python is a whole other story. The Venom I have could be had for a song...well, maybe a song and a dance. Wouldn't mind a bag of Cheetos as well.

    Have the PS Audio AC3, which was a good buy at $99, but, nothing like the Python.9 The WW Equinox kind of goes in the nothing special category for me as well.

    I know there has to be other great ones out there, it's just hard to try if I can't catch a great deal. $1k for a cable gets close to JoeyV territory, and I can't run with them guys.

    Got Dayens?
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 9,956
    Before I went with Shunyata I was using various Pangea cables. However, at the time they didn’t offer a PC with a 20 amp connector, which is what the CA amps needed. After that I haven’t tried anything else. As long as something works I will stick with it. I would rather listen to music than compare the nuances of various cables. :)
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    I was considering Pangea cables from a cost to entry standpoint, figured it would be a good starting point.

    That being said, I don't like the idea of supporting an AA house brand. Shrug.
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Before I went with Shunyata I was using various Pangea cables. However, at the time they didn’t offer a PC with a 20 amp connector, which is what the CA amps needed. After that I haven’t tried anything else. As long as something works I will stick with it. I would rather listen to music than compare the nuances of various cables. :)

    Got Dayens?
  • TNTsTunesTNTsTunes Posts: 754
    I like the Signal Magic and Digital Reference Power Cables that I used to replace all of the power cables in my main system. I bought them in the classified section a couple of months ago from dorokusai.

    Even new the price is right. I'm going to pick up a couple more Digital Reference PCs and a Video Reference PC so I can move a couple of cables so I'll have two systems with them.

    signalcable.com/power_cables.html
    "Make a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Light
    a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    Looks like a no nonsense cord. Also like that they appear to be flexible.

    I think @halo has enjoyed these on his power amps.

    I wonder if they can make a length shorter than 3 feet, I would need a nice short ~1.5' for my outlet to Dectet.
    TNTsTunes wrote: »
    I like the Signal Magic and Digital Reference Power Cables that I used to replace all of the power cables in my main system. I bought them in the classified section a couple of months ago from dorokusai.

    Even new the price is right. I'm going to pick up a couple more Digital Reference PCs and a Video Reference PC so I can move a couple of cables so I'll have two systems with them.

    signalcable.com/power_cables.html

    Got Dayens?
  • TNTsTunesTNTsTunes Posts: 754
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Looks like a no nonsense cord. Also like that they appear to be flexible.

    I think @halo has enjoyed these on his power amps.

    I wonder if they can make a length shorter than 3 feet, I would need a nice short ~1.5' for my outlet to Dectet.
    TNTsTunes wrote: »
    I like the Signal Magic and Digital Reference Power Cables that I used to replace all of the power cables in my main system. I bought them in the classified section a couple of months ago from dorokusai.

    Even new the price is right. I'm going to pick up a couple more Digital Reference PCs and a Video Reference PC so I can move a couple of cables so I'll have two systems with them.

    signalcable.com/power_cables.html

    The ones I got from doro included two that were shorter then 3 feet I believe. One is about 18" and another was about 24". They were all the perfect length that I needed.

    I'd contact them, odds are they will hook you up. At least that is what I'm hoping when I order more.
    "Make a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Light
    a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

  • halohalo Posts: 4,024
    @Clipdat @TNTsTunes

    Frank runs Signal Cable and he’s been a supporter of Club Polk for a very long time. @dorokusai started that relationship with him. Frank/Signal Cable still offers a discount to the members of the forum so be sure to mention that when you speak with him.

    As far as flexibility, the cables are thick and heavy, so they’re not the most flexible out there. If you need flexible, you may want to look elsewhere.

    And Drew is right, I’m using mostly Signal Cable products in my setup. They work well for me and the price is very good. I have a few MIT cables in the mix, and even some (*gasp*) Monster Cables in the “HT” as well as a an AQ cable here or there. Whatever synergy I’ve stumbled across is working really well so I’m not going to be changing anything else out anytime soon.
  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 6,521
    There are some new AQ cables that just came out - called the Storm series. Done by Garth Powell of furman fame.

    The price range starts in the hundreds to $4600 for the Dragon at 1m.

    I know they will come out with a Wel2 in the storm series, but I am not spending that much on a 1M cord.

    And for me to move to the Dragon at 1m for an improvement over what I have (Wel1), it doesnt make sense for me. But for someone starting out clean, perhaps the Tornado or Thunder would work superb. Lots of good reviews, I have not read a negative yet.
    Joey's Gear:
    Current Gear:
    Torus RM15 -> Emm Labs DAC2x and TSDX Transport -> Cary SLP-05 preamp -> Boulder 2060 stereo amp (w/ Audioquest WEL Signature) -> new speakers
    Rotel RA1592 Super Integrated -> Sonus Faber Olympica 3
    Rotel RC1570 preamp -> Rotel RB1582 amp -> Focal Kanta 2

    Old Gear:
    Speakers: BW PM1 (3.5/5), CM10s2 (3.75/5), BW800D3 (5/5), Rockport Aviors (5/5), Sonus Faber Stradivari (5/5), BW 802D2 (4.5/5), Martin Logan Summits (4.25/5), Martin Logan Vantage (4/5), Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor (3.75/5), AV123 Strata Mini (3.5/5), ML Mosaic (3.25/5), Onix Ref1 (3/5), Sonus Faber Concerto (2.75/5), SF Concertino (2.5/5), Axiom M22ti (2/5), Polk LSi9 (3/5), LSi7 (2.9/5)
    Source: Squeezebox 3 -> PS Audio Digital Link III -> Cary 306/200 CDP -> Cary 306 SACD -> EMM LABS DAC2X/TSDX
    Preamplification: Rotel RC1070 -> Rogue Perseus -> Cary SLP98 -> Cary SLP98F1 -> Cary SLP05 (sold and then repurchased)
    Amplification: HK AVR330 -> Rotel RB1070 -> Rotel RB1090 -> Plinius SA102 -> Cary 211FE -> Classe M600 -> Boulder 2060
    Subwoofer: Infinity Entra2 sub -> SVS 25-31PC+ sub
  • DaveHoDaveHo Posts: 1,811
    Check out Cullen Cable. I have his Gold Power cord on my amp, a pair of the Copper Series XLR's from my Oppo to P5, and the Midline Crossover Series RCAs from DAC to Headphone amp for my work rig. All top notch & very flexible.

    Cullen Cable

    If you contact Patrick through one of his US Audiomart ads, you can get a discount as well.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    Thanks. I was going to call anyway to inquire about some custom lengths and terminations of the speaker cable he offers (for my computer speakers).

    Thanks for the heads up on the stiffness, I just assumed by visuals alone that they would be more flexible than Pangea, but maybe not.
    halo wrote: »
    Frank runs Signal Cable and he’s been a supporter of Club Polk for a very long time. @dorokusai started that relationship with him. Frank/Signal Cable still offers a discount to the members of the forum so be sure to mention that when you speak with him.

    As far as flexibility, the cables are thick and heavy, so they’re not the most flexible out there. If you need flexible, you may want to look elsewhere.

    AQ is going off the deep end with some of their pricing. Way above my pay grade unfortunately.
    Joey_V wrote: »
    There are some new AQ cables that just came out - called the Storm series. Done by Garth Powell of furman fame.

    The price range starts in the hundreds to $4600 for the Dragon at 1m.

    Nice. Thanks for the heads up. I've seen Cullen mentioned before here on the forum. He seems to have a different approach toward construction of his cables versus Signal. For example some of them like the Gold that you have aren't shielded, but instead have the internal wires braided for noise rejection.

    Lots of options to consider!
    DaveHo wrote: »
    Check out Cullen Cable. I have his Gold Power cord on my amp, a pair of the Copper Series XLR's from my Oppo to P5, and the Midline Crossover Series RCAs from DAC to Headphone amp for my work rig. All top notch & very flexible.

    Cullen Cable

    If you contact Patrick through one of his US Audiomart ads, you can get a discount as well.

    Got Dayens?
  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 330
    I recently ordered some Furutech power cables and connectors from Doug (https://www.douglasconnection.com/main.sc)...should be waiting for me at home today. There are several choices/prices to choose from, and you can get just about any length you want (i.e., they can be custom-made). In the end, I decided to DIY a few sets in order to save some money, so I gave Doug my parameters of use, lengths, and budget, and he put together a proposal for me WITH a club Polk discount B) It will take a few days for me to assemble them and have a listen. I basically went with the Furutech mid-tier power connection products.

    FWIW, I did a few sets of DIY interconnects from Doug last year using Furez cable and his own 'brand' of locking RCA plugs. They turned out well, albeit his baseline products, I think. I wanted to start basic and just see how it went. I see no need to upgrade...for now.
  • halohalo Posts: 4,024
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Thanks. I was going to call anyway to inquire about some custom lengths and terminations of the speaker cable he offers (for my computer speakers).

    Thanks for the heads up on the stiffness, I just assumed by visuals alone that they would be more flexible than Pangea, but maybe not.

    Drew, I’ve never had the Pangea power cables so I cannot compare their flexibility. Compared to some of the PS Audio “Plasma” power cables I have, which are very flexible, the Signal Cable power cords are much heavier, thicker, stiffer, and more difficult to route around the back of the rack and the components.
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 1,658
    Regarding the flexibility/stiffness of Pangea cables...I remember taking a picture of an AC-9SE when it arrived and demonstrating how much space it takes to make a 90 degree turn in the cable. If I can dig it up, I'll post it here. Their AC-14 cables are much more flexible for source components. As far as sound, I can't compare them to any other brands except stock cords, because I've never owned other brands, but I can say the SE versions are a considerable step up for their standard model on the 14 series. I never owned a standard 9 series, just the SE versions.

    Clipdat, you'll appreciate those vice-grip outlets if you ever use a heavy stiff cable because they can easily work their way out of a standard outlet.

    2.0 - Marantz NA8005 | Polk LSiM703 | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x2 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | Sanus UF30 | OC703 Panels

    6.1 - Pio Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | Monster HTS 5000 | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | PS Audio Power Port Classic x2 | OC703 Panels
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    Man, that sort of stiffness just seems excessive and like a convenient way to sell longer lengths.
    Hermitism wrote: »
    Regarding the flexibility/stiffness of Pangea cables...I remember taking a picture of an AC-9SE when it arrived and demonstrating how much space it takes to make a 90 degree turn in the cable. If I can dig it up, I'll post it here. Their AC-14 cables are much more flexible for source components. As far as sound, I can't compare them to any other brands except stock cords, because I've never owned other brands, but I can say the SE versions are a considerable step up for their standard model on the 14 series. I never owned a standard 9 series, just the SE versions.

    Clipdat, you'll appreciate those vice-grip outlets if you ever use a heavy stiff cable because they can easily work their way out of a standard outlet.

    Got Dayens?
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 1,658
    Here they are. For size comparison, this is the AC-9SE next to a garden hose and my manscaper.

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    2.0 - Marantz NA8005 | Polk LSiM703 | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x2 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | Sanus UF30 | OC703 Panels

    6.1 - Pio Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | Monster HTS 5000 | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | PS Audio Power Port Classic x2 | OC703 Panels
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 1,658
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Man, that sort of stiffness just seems excessive
    If I had a dollar for every time...

    2.0 - Marantz NA8005 | Polk LSiM703 | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x2 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | Sanus UF30 | OC703 Panels

    6.1 - Pio Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | Monster HTS 5000 | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | PS Audio Power Port Classic x2 | OC703 Panels
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,582
    Oh my what an excessively stiff and large power cable you have. Allow me to handle it:

    Got Dayens?
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 1,658
    That video made me feel warm.
    2.0 - Marantz NA8005 | Polk LSiM703 | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x2 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | Sanus UF30 | OC703 Panels

    6.1 - Pio Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | Monster HTS 5000 | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | PS Audio Power Port Classic x2 | OC703 Panels
  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 330
    She has purdy hands. I'm not sure how that cable stayed so 'flexible' while she was holding it...and why did she have to keep her mouth partially open like that? The way she looks at the cable makes me feel funny.
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