Another 1C upgrade path

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  • verbverb Posts: 3,327
    F1nut wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Verb,

    Nothing personal and in my opinion. I've seen countless attempts at doing what you are planning and not one of them looks right in the end. The only one I've seen that looks right is a pair of 3.1TL's that were veneered to look like a studio version.

    Yep. As you forewarned me before. I’ll let you know how it turns out!!! Thanks as always for your guidance.

    Am I repeating myself........oh God, it's started.

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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 9,899
    Just do a mock up assembly with clamps to get an eye on them before doing any permanent gluing etc

    like the zebra
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  • verbverb Posts: 3,327
    txcoastal1 wrote: »
    Just do a mock up assembly with clamps to get an eye on them before doing any permanent gluing etc

    like the zebra

    Yep. That was my plan!!!
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  • verbverb Posts: 3,327
    Yay!!! Finished installing the H-nuts!!! All 64 of them...

    Some observations:
    H-nut positioned to allow for rotation. About 1/4" along the flange. Nut will rotate clockwise.
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    Use washers on the drive screw to better distribute the load as the H-nut is being driven in. Note the test piece of plywood. No washer was used. Significant crush of the wood. Hard to see in the picture but the red mark is an arrow that I used to visually verify the rotation of the H-nut and ensure correct positioning. Also no need to trim the tweeter H-nuts as there is plenty of material there.
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    H-nuts installed
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    Next step, Loctite Power Grab to seal the cabinets!!!
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  • verbverb Posts: 3,327
    More H-nut pics:
    Tweeter H-nut.
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    Had to remove some of the glue bead on the brace prior to this particular MW N-nut install.
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  • verbverb Posts: 3,327
    That's enough for today. Endcap staple removal. Big Honker's. I also used a hammer to pound em down. Then used a small right angle pliers to get enough leverage to pull em out.
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  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,272
    I am installing my new crossovers into my 2.3TL's today/tonight. :p I installed my rings from Larry a few months ago and they sure make removing and reinstalling your tweeters, mid-woofers, and passive radiators a breeze. I imagine the hurricane nuts will do the same, although I wonder if they would spin somehow when you go to back them out if they aren't seated really tight?
  • dkfreebirddkfreebird Posts: 1,054
    I put a little powergrab on mine when i installed them on my 2.3tls. The rings weren’t available for them when I upgraded them like they were for the 1.2’s.
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  • verbverb Posts: 3,327
    Viking64 wrote: »
    I am installing my new crossovers into my 2.3TL's today/tonight. :p I installed my rings from Larry a few months ago and they sure make removing and reinstalling your tweeters, mid-woofers, and passive radiators a breeze. I imagine the hurricane nuts will do the same, although I wonder if they would spin somehow when you go to back them out if they aren't seated really tight?

    I was worried about that too. @westmassguy had a great instruction sheet (pasted earlier in this thread) which worked to a tee. All the H-nuts are fully seated and tight.

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  • verbverb Posts: 3,327
    dkfreebird wrote: »
    I put a little powergrab on mine when i installed them on my 2.3tls. The rings weren’t available for them when I upgraded them like they were for the 1.2’s.

    Good thought!!! I pondered that too. In the end I decided not to use adhesive or anything else.
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  • xschopxschop Posts: 866
    edited January 28
    Just catching up on your build here. Great job and detail. The Zebrawood is very nice. Searching around I see no one has done a TL mod to this model.

    Surprised Viking's definition of H-nuts wasn't censored lol.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 40,375
    Rob, no one has done a TL mod because the tweeter circuit is very complex with no clear path to enlightenment.
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  • xschopxschop Posts: 866
    Judging by factory schematic, Polk did some attenuating to the lower tweeter. Perhaps to reduce lobing between the two vertical plane tweets?

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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 40,375
    All the SDA's with vertical tweeters utilize a progressive point source circuit.
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  • verbverb Posts: 3,327
    Sonic Barrier cut to size. 4' x 12" strips. To be placed directly behind the MW's.
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  • verbverb Posts: 3,327
    So today is Loctite Powergrab day. Bought a big tube at Lowe’s because they didn’t have any smaller ones. Despite being forewarned on other threads about the big tube being a bit unwieldy, guess what? Yes it is! Did I heed the advise of fellow CP members? No! Kids when are they ever gonna learn? Pictures below. Gonna try Home Depot. And it’s snowing out! Dang!
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  • ManticoreManticore Posts: 286
    I bought two of the small squeeze tubesfor the cabinet and the large one just like you. I found it easy to use the large tube in the gun to glue the speaker magnets. Towel on bottom with a lazy susan on top to keep it from spinning loosely. Easy peezy. Have fun.
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  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 435
    I was able to use the caulking gun for most of it and would spread it out with my finger.
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  • verbverb Posts: 3,327
    audioluvr wrote: »
    I was able to use the caulking gun for most of it and would spread it out with my finger.

    Yep I thought about just going for it. I'll just use the larger tube for the side panels. You must be a contortionist!
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  • Rrusse11Rrusse11 Posts: 116
    verb,
    So when do we see the finished panels installed? Lol, you think you guys are fussy about grain orientation. Spent a number of years working for a high end antique dealer. Mostly English and French from the 1800s, when the colonial empires had the pick of the worlds old growth rainforests. Some of those old cabinetmakers were in practice! and they had great options. Luthiers ,boatbuilders, and gunstock makers can get a bit anal too. {:o)
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  • verbverb Posts: 3,327
    Rrusse11 wrote: »
    verb,
    So when do we see the finished panels installed? Lol, you think you guys are fussy about grain orientation. Spent a number of years working for a high end antique dealer. Mostly English and French from the 1800s, when the colonial empires had the pick of the worlds old growth rainforests. Some of those old cabinetmakers were in practice! and they had great options. Luthiers ,boatbuilders, and gunstock makers can get a bit anal too. {:o)

    Thanks @Rrusse11 soon. I plan to finish sand then apply finish before I attach to the sides.
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  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 435
    verb wrote: »
    audioluvr wrote: »
    I was able to use the caulking gun for most of it and would spread it out with my finger.

    Yep I thought about just going for it. I'll just use the larger tube for the side panels. You must be a contortionist!

    Ya, there were a couple of spots that gave me cramps getting to...
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  • verbverb Posts: 3,327
    Ok so I went to Homedepot and bought the small tube of PowerGrab:
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    Has anyone tried this one? Pressurized tube, like Cheez Whiz.
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    Not to be confused, do not spread any leftovers on your crackers!
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  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 435
    verb wrote: »
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    Not to be confused, do not spread any leftovers on your crackers!

    Way cool! I wonder if it has the same strength as the regular stuff?
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  • verbverb Posts: 3,327
    Yeah. Good question. Not the extreme as others have used, but to allow flow they may have had to change the formula. Anyway, I bought a tube and gonna give it a try!
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 10,832
    It works ok but very hard to control the flow on the two i used. Seems like all or nothing
  • verbverb Posts: 3,327
    Well today is Loctite Power Grab day! I must admit, caulking is not my expertise, but it’s inside the cabinet, what the hey?

    Some words of preparation. Or caution!

    Wear gloves or have plenty of wipes, or both. Clean your fingers every time you smooth out a bead!

    No long sleeves, or in my case bath robe. Wait! TMI! Your sleeves will flop around as your smoothing out the beads, and it will get all over them if your not careful. Then Momma’s not happy.

    No need to do the whole cabinet at once! I did the backsides first. Let em dry for a bit, then get the other surfaces later. That way you don’t accidentally muck up a finished bead when applying material nearby.

    Pics to follow.

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  • verbverb Posts: 3,327
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    It works ok but very hard to control the flow on the two i used. Seems like all or nothing

    I agree! The triggger really doesn’t modulate the flow rate. It’s either on or off! Good for long runs, but not corners or smaller runs.

    The only benefit is the ease of the material flow. The squeeze tube can be a bit unwieldy to dispense material. Especially as the tube empties out.


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  • verbverb Posts: 3,327
    Removed blobs of glue cause it really bothered me. :smiley:
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    Phase one of Loctite Power Grab complete! Phase two tomorrow! No comments from the peanut gallery on the parallelism of the bead edges!
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  • verbverb Posts: 3,327
    Ok back in the saddle again. Work has been crazy lately, which has been interfering with my audio hobby :smiley:

    Hasn't stopped me from buying more goodies however. Below are some spikes from Parts Express. Solidly built. Nice brushed silver finish. I like the dual threaded feature so that you can level the speakers on the floor.
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    I'm gonna use T-nuts for installation to the bottom endcaps, instead of the included hurricane nuts. If you choose to go the H-nut route, this particular set of spikes uses a M6 thread.

    In fact, if anyone needs some for your project, PM me as I bought a bag of 50! I am happy to send you some gratis including shipping. Karma!

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