marantz pm6006 with lsim 703
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daoudav6128
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Hi. I just received a marantz PM 6006 like present and I love this amp! I am interested by plugging polk lsim 703 on it.
Did someone already experiment this mix?
I am just not totally sure if the marantz can deliver enough power for these polk.
Marantz runs in 4 ohm and it seems polk lsim 703 sounds great at 4ohm too even though they are rating in 8ohm!
have you guys some reviews or test about it? Ideas or suggestions are highly welcome!
Did someone already experiment this mix?
I am just not totally sure if the marantz can deliver enough power for these polk.
Marantz runs in 4 ohm and it seems polk lsim 703 sounds great at 4ohm too even though they are rating in 8ohm!
have you guys some reviews or test about it? Ideas or suggestions are highly welcome!
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The Marantz will run speakers 4-8 ohm, the labeling I think you are probably referring to just means that 4ohm is the lowest ohm speaker that it will drive.
Your PM6006 is rated at 45wpc. I'm running my new 703s on my 40wpc NAD and it's sounding good to me.
Just hook them up and give them a try and see how it sounds. You literally have nothing to lose. -
Running my 703s off an adcom 5500 and no complaints here.Music: Oppo103 - Parasound JC2 - Parasound A21- SDA 3.1
Theater: Denon 3808 - B&K 7500/Emotiva XPA-3- RTi12, CSi5, RTiA7x4, PSW505
Sleeping: Marantz 70005 - Harman Kardon 2400 - SDA 2
2 Channel: Cary 306 SACD - Canary Audio 906 - Pass Labs x250 - PS Audio Perfectwave DAC, Polk LSiM705, SVS SB13 Ultra
Office: Dell Optiplex, Emotiva XDA-2, Adcom 5500, LSiM 703
Spares: Yamaha CA-810; LSi 15; Kenwood Basic M2a, Yamaha M60/M80, Polk Monitor 7, SVS SB13 Ultra -
Not sure how this is related at all to the OP's question, but glad you are enjoying your 703s they are a fantastic speaker.Running my 703s off an adcom 5500 and no complaints here.
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daoudav6128 wrote: »Hi. I just received a marantz PM 6006 like present and I love this amp! I am interested by plugging polk lsim 703 on it.
Did someone already experiment this mix?
I am just not totally sure if the marantz can deliver enough power for these polk.
Marantz runs in 4 ohm and it seems polk lsim 703 sounds great at 4ohm too even though they are rating in 8ohm!
have you guys some reviews or test about it? Ideas or suggestions are highly welcome!
You have much to learn, grasshopper.Political Correctness'.........defined
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--Disclaimer: I am not an expert.
The power consumption noted on the back of the amp is around 400 watts. Even at 4 ohms, total advertised RMS output is 120 watts. Is the 400 watts max watts? I dunno. But, with max watts generally being double RMS watts, that's potentially 200 watts total RMS output. That's 100 wpc RMS @4 ohms. Are output calculations so straightforward? No. But, the amp's weight of 17lbs is similar to stereo amps with significantly higher advertised output. What I'm saying is it could possibly be underrated. Also, my understanding is that the actual ohm load of speakers varies during play. It's apparently worse with cheaper speakers, independent testing having discovered actual ohm loads reaching down to 2 ohms for 8 ohm rated speakers. The 703 being of superior build quality is probably a whole lot more stable, but when it drops down a few ohms, that amp will be able to deliver. Great gift of an amp. Congratulations.Denon X7200WA
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Power consumption has nothing to do with power output, get that number out of your head unless your concerned about your electric bill.
the Marantz is rated as such....
45 watts x 2 channels into 8 ohms (20-20,000 Hz) at 0.08% THD
60 watts x 2 channels into 4 ohms (20-20,000 Hz)
Driving the 703'S should not be a problem in a med. sized room for 2 channel. Hook them up and don't worry about it.HT SYSTEM-
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Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
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lsi 9's -
Polk recommends at least 20 watts continuous power output minimum into 8 ohms on the 703s. The PM6006 will work fine. As far as I'm aware the amp does not have a separate 4 ohm setting, it just outputs slightly more power (watts) into a 4 ohm load than an 8 ohm load. Just don't push the volume level too high or you risk causing the amp output to clip the signal going into the speakers which would overheat the voice coils on the speaker drivers. The damage is not something you would be able to hear until your speakers started sounding like the tweeters were no longer there.
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Thanks to all of you for your answers!!
I was just à bit worry about the fact these polk are a bit power hungry and read many times it s better to run them on a powerful amp.
And yes, it seems they work very well in 4 ohm!
Thanks an other time for your comments and time!
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And .....I really love this PM6006, it s a lovely gem!
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daoudav6128 wrote: »And yes, it seems they work very well in 4 ohm!
Maybe if I shout you'll get it.
THE SPEAKERS ARE 8 OHM NOMINAL. YOUR MARANTZ IS NOT DRIVING THEM IN 4 OHM.
Political Correctness'.........defined
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daoudav6128 wrote: »And yes, it seems they work very well in 4 ohm!
Maybe if I shout you'll get it.
THE SPEAKERS ARE 8 OHM NOMINAL. YOUR MARANTZ IS NOT DRIVING THEM IN 4 OHM.
Lol. True .....which also means they are not power hungry. Don't know where this info is coming from.HT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
The 703s being power hungry and/or loving power has been mentioned several times on the forum. In my limited experience so far, they do just fine with 40wpc in my opinion. However, they probably do sound "better" with 100-150wpc, and are certainly capable of those power levels.Lol. True .....which also means they are not power hungry. Don't know where this info is coming from.
A few times that it's been mentioned in my threads:Also in another thread I posted, Jesse mentioned that my NAD would not be the best fit for them, from an amplification/wattage perspective.The LSiM 703 isn't far out of reach when on sale.Nope. Forgot the NAD. Not a good fit.I have no experience with integrateds that nice or with tube amps, but I can say that when I had the LSiM 703s and moved from a parasound HCA1000 (100 wpc with pretty stout bass) to a rotel rb-993 (200 wpc) there was a big difference in the tautness and control of the bass, and the overall sound stage widened a bit as well. I was MUCH happier with the sound overall. So although the LSiMs are “easy” to drive, power is still your friend... -
Here is one measurement i found for the polk . It s one of the site i saw explaining lsim 703 could work well in 4 ohm
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"Polk specifies the LSiM703 as being "compatible with 8 ohm outputs," but I suggest that a good 4 ohm–rated amplifier or receiver would work best with this speaker."
That basically just means that during certain dynamic musical passages, with certain frequency ranges, especially at louder volumes (higher current draw), the impedance of the 703s could momentarily drop to 4ohm. In which case you would want to be running them off an amplifier that is compatible with a 4ohm to 8ohm speaker load range - which you are.
So, all is well!daoudav6128 wrote: »Here is one measurement i found for the polk . It s one of the site i saw explaining lsim 703 could work well in 4 ohm
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daoudav6128 wrote: »Here is one measurement i found for the polk . It s one of the site i saw explaining lsim 703 could work well in 4 ohm
You STILL don't get it. Your speakers are 8 ohm nominal. That means overall they are 8 ohm loads. Like most speakers that load fluctuates with the frequencies, but for the most part stays around the rated nominal load.
Just because a certain frequency in a rated 8 ohm nominal speaker may rise to 16 ohms does not mean they require an amp rated to drive 16 ohm loads. By the same measure just because a certain frequency drops to 4 ohms does not mean they require an amp rated to drive a 4 ohm load. On the other hand, if a speaker has dips lower than 2 ohms they absolutely require a very beefy amp.Political Correctness'.........defined
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OK! Well, Thanks for your help; my english is not as Good as i would like and there are still Things I don t understand. I thought it was the same case as svs ultra bookshelf which are rating in 8ohm but have been tested and reviewed many times in 4ohm . An other time, i apologize for my english nivel and I thank you all for your help and reflexions.Then, i will plug my polk in 8 ohm and I hope my marantz will give them enough Juice !
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What F1NUT meant by saying they would benefit from more power, was....any speaker would benefit from more power, which is correct. You won't hurt anything on the Nad as long as you don't try and bury the volume dial. All that is meant is that with additional power, you'd get a more lively dynamic sound from them.
Plus running them with a subwoofer would take a good amount of stress off of them, even more easier for the Nad.
Amplifiers only run according to what is asked of them, they don't automatically put out x amount of power or run in certain ohms. Your speakers are 8 ohm nominal, meaning they can go above or dip below 8 but average out to 8. This is an easy load for most any amplifier....even receivers.
Can you run them off the Nad ? Yes
Will they sound better with addition power/amp ? YesHT SYSTEM-
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1420
lsi 9's -
That Marantz will drive the 703's fine.
As others have said, more power will not hurt. I have yet to see a speaker that when hooked up to a larger, more powerful, quality amp not respond positively.
Usually I notice tighter bottom, better instrumental separation and wider soundstage.
As Jesse is trying to make clear, the amp does not set impedance (or, Ohms). the speaker does, the amp tries to deliver what the speaker is asking for. -
I understand. I am still beginner in hifi world and all of you are very helpfull !
Do you think it would be a Good idea to bi amping the lsim 703 ( pm 6006 allows this) to separate high and low or is it better to keep them in a standard plug in to begin? -
Keep it standard with the wiring. True bi-Amping will require a whole lot more than what the PM6006 is capable of on it's own.
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OK. Will make it like that! But just to understand....what more would need this amp for bi amping?
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daoudav6128 wrote: »OK. Will make it like that! But just to understand....what more would need this amp for bi amping?
Another amp... -
Ah ah . Ok. Will wait a bit then.
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Thanks for your time
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daoudav6128 wrote: »OK! Well, Thanks for your help; my english is not as Good as i would like and there are still Things I don t understand. I thought it was the same case as svs ultra bookshelf which are rating in 8ohm but have been tested and reviewed many times in 4ohm . An other time, i apologize for my english nivel and I thank you all for your help and reflexions.Then, i will plug my polk in 8 ohm and I hope my marantz will give them enough Juice !
Great, you've got it now.
Your English is far better than I can do in whatever your native language is, so no worries my friend.
Enjoy!!!
Political Correctness'.........defined
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Thanks for you help!
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Tell us more about your rig and yourself. What are you using for a source such as a CD player or computer? Where are you from?Political Correctness'.........defined
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President of Club Polk -
For the time, just have a computer and an old cd player philips 130 from......1991 I think...
Still working well!! Step by step trying to make a Good quality sound system . My budget for the time is Over. .......waiting after Christmas to be able to buy Good câbles which is something I still not have! Put all i had in lsim......
