OLED vs. QLED - My Observations

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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 14,893
    Not long before. They knew it was on the horizon.
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 10,868
    edited December 2017
    DSkip wrote: »
    I'm speaking more about current tech TV's. Refresh rate has been stuck for a while.

    Plasmas died out when 4k hit the market. My gut always told me that they couldn't efficiently compete at that resolution and so the technology died.

    They could pretty sure but the mandate to use less energy killed them. My Panasonic could really warm up a room. You could feel the heat off it when you stood within 2 feet of it.

    gmcman wrote: »
    DSkip wrote: »
    Maybe there is a hard limit that they can't get past?

    I think its called the EPA.... :*

    Don't think my plasma ever received the big energy star sticker.... B)

    No and that is why there are no more Plasma's. They could not meet the new energy rating for TV's.
    Plasma's to my eye's looked more like film more natural

  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 1,761
    Not only that stupid energy star sticker, but cost.

    Getting plasma to 4K resolution would have priced them out of the market. Panny was saying it would be $8k to $10k for a 50 inch set. They didn't see a market for them.
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 14,893
    rpf65 wrote: »
    Not only that stupid energy star sticker, but cost.

    Getting plasma to 4K resolution would have priced them out of the market. Panny was saying it would be $8k to $10k for a 50 inch set. They didn't see a market for them.

    That was my point. Thanks. It would be great to see it come back but I think OLED is the wave right now. Black levels are great and all but I still value that refresh rate above all else.
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  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 2,132
    My 42 inch 1080p Panasonic plasma set is rated at 575 watts while my 65 inch Sony LED 4K set is rated at 285 watts power consumption. The LED set also weighs less and cost about the same originally. The plasma set also suffers from temporary image retention. Motion and contrast are better and more lifelike on plasma over LED, although the differences have narrowed a lot. If a 65 inch plasma coukd do 4k, the power consumption would be horrible. The image would be spectacular though!

    Plasma left the market because people stopped buying them in favor of something more suitable for everyday use at home.
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  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,294
    It's nice having a TV that's too heavy for someone to steal. :p
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 10,140
    Viking64 wrote: »
    It's nice having a TV that's too heavy for someone to steal. :p

    Bring back the CRT RPTV. :)
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  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 2,786
    What's refresh rate matter when most media is at 24 or 30 fps(Hz)??
  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 9,903
    A lot of sports are now available at up to 60fps

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  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 2,786
    Ok so 60 fps native, I get that. But now we're at 1:1. There's no such thing in the realm of audio signal as it is truly dynamic, where a tv is a fast cycling still picture...
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 10,868
    FestYboy wrote: »
    Ok so 60 fps native, I get that. But now we're at 1:1. There's no such thing in the realm of audio signal as it is truly dynamic, where a tv is a fast cycling still picture...

    Really????

    Some sets it is not unusual to see the white trail behind a hit baseball. And forget car racing it gets all blocky and pixelated in the corners and the crowd above. Never a problem with my plasma.
  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 2,786
    So what exactly is happening there? Latency? Poor post processing?
  • Even though the plasma can refresh at 600hz the image is still only displaying 24fps or 60fps depending on the source. It’s just repeating frames. Some 120/240hz sets with motion technology in led/lcd try to predict and create frames rather than repeat them. Most of time the result is very unnatural and should be turned off. 24fps is considered filmed and is still ideal for movies. Sports are considered video broadcasts which video is 60fps.
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  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 2,786
    ^ exactly what I'm getting at... What's the point of extreme refresh rates if 1:1 is superior?
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,769
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    FestYboy wrote: »
    Ok so 60 fps native, I get that. But now we're at 1:1. There's no such thing in the realm of audio signal as it is truly dynamic, where a tv is a fast cycling still picture...

    Really????

    Some sets it is not unusual to see the white trail behind a hit baseball. And forget car racing it gets all blocky and pixelated in the corners and the crowd above. Never a problem with my plasma.

    You must be looking at cheap sets then. Everything with motion is about the processor. Just like a slow processor in a computer. Sony and Samsung have the best processors in my opinion. Pixelation and other junk simply doesn't happen on the better sets displaying a HD signal.
    Where even the good sets start getting wonky is when they try displaying a non HD signal. Personally, if it's not in HD, I don't bother watching it.
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 10,868
    edited December 2017
    tonyb wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    FestYboy wrote: »
    Ok so 60 fps native, I get that. But now we're at 1:1. There's no such thing in the realm of audio signal as it is truly dynamic, where a tv is a fast cycling still picture...

    Really????

    Some sets it is not unusual to see the white trail behind a hit baseball. And forget car racing it gets all blocky and pixelated in the corners and the crowd above. Never a problem with my plasma.

    You must be looking at cheap sets then. Everything with motion is about the processor. Just like a slow processor in a computer. Sony and Samsung have the best processors in my opinion. Pixelation and other junk simply doesn't happen on the better sets displaying a HD signal.
    Where even the good sets start getting wonky is when they try displaying a non HD signal. Personally, if it's not in HD, I don't bother watching it.

    Nope everyone's eyes are different. Even though i wear glasses. When i look at DLP stuff as i scan across the screen i see little rainbows of color out of the corner of my eye's. Look it up its an artifact some people see. Same with LCD for me i see blur trails on some. True upper sets are much less but i still see them on some. Once you see it you cannot unsee them. Like a too bright set it gets fatiguing.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,769
    That's called an uncalibrated set then Ivan. Especially if it's a store display. Newer sets have a display mode that makes them run hot so they pop. You don't really think Timmy at BestBuy, who doesn't even know he works there, is actually skilled at calibrating sets.
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 10,868
    edited December 2017
    Tony i know all about calibration. Yes i spent good money for it to be done on my pany plasma. That sets color kelvin rating to be more in line with the standard as well as gray scale.
    Yes i agree they set them to torch mode for stores
  • billbillwbillbillw Posts: 5,784
    NEVER compare TV images in a store and expect a true representation of what will look best in your home once you calibrate it and adjust the brightness/contrast to what is best for dark viewing. OLED is capable of much better contrast ratios (unboosted) and will give inky blacks that are better than just about anything.

    In the store, they are usually set too bright, and the colors are set for "vivid" images that are not really accurate to true life.
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  • Airplay355Airplay355 Posts: 4,250
    I recently moved to a Sony 900E. I've got the brightness on 16/100 and I still watch with a dim light on in the background. I could have spent $500 more and gotten an OLED but I didn't feel like I needed that much TV. The Sony got me 90% there, at least as far as I can tell. 4k content is nuts. I thought the QLED TVs were overpriced.
  • Mr_HzMr_Hz Posts: 148
    edited December 2017
    I haven't contributed to the conversation since I threw out my initial salvo... but appreciate all the perspectives/input/opinions. Its made for a lively thread!

    Still happy with my Panny Plasmas... but one day I must move on... I've staved off 4K upgrades for ~1year.. me thinks 2018 won't bring any reason to join the 4K crowd yet.

    Even with the 'in-house display surprise' between OLED & QLED fundamentally I know Organic should be the better technology by all the specs and science behind the technology. Too much $$ invested in normal DVD's and BlueRays that look (sufficiently) great in 1080p and 1080i to worry about the expense and choices of 4K for now.

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  • I also am on the fence about upgrading to 4K. If I do, it would be OLED. QLED, to me is just another version of an LED.
    Here is my concern with the best OLEDS - The screen producing the sound (as opposed to separate/attached speakers) might be cool to some people. But to me, it's something to be concerned about. What if the sound built into the screen craps out. Maybe it might even cause some other unforeseen problem with the tv as a whole.

    For now, despite all my questions on the forum, I'm standing pat, and won't be making any changes to my ht setup.
  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 1,761
    Would probably go LED if I upgraded. Still have concerns about longevity. Last I checked, it was said, that the blue pixels have a10k life span. Figure half that.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,769
    Does any consumer product made today have a lifespan of older products ? Seriously guys, your splitting hairs. You are not going to get a lifespan in consumer electronics these days from anything. Some technologies may be worse than others, but as a whole, they all suck.

    LED has been around for a while now and most the bugs have been worked out, it is what it is these days. Oled is still fairly new, so if I was to buy one, an extended warranty wouldn't be a bad idea.
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  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,032
    OLED :)
    Plasma :)



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  • mrbironmrbiron Posts: 4,824
    tonyb wrote: »
    Does any consumer product made today have a lifespan of older products ? Seriously guys, your splitting hairs. You are not going to get a lifespan in consumer electronics these days from anything. Some technologies may be worse than others, but as a whole, they all suck.

    Items would last longer, but what is easier to do in today's society?
    A-Pay the high repair costs
    B-Throw away and buy new
    C-Try and repair it yourself

    I'm all for "C", but there are scenarios that are beyond ones capabilities ie. dead pixels.

    I repaired, a couple of years ago, a TV i bought new in 07. 4 replacement caps cost me $10. She's still my daily driver. Only when i CAN'T repair it will i think about getting a new one.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,769
    If dead pixels are a concern then, Oled is more prone do it than LED. Most are not up to the task of TV repairs themselves and the cost to outsource those repairs negates the cost of the TV in a lot of cases. So yeah, depending....they are throw aways. Most consumer electronics are these days.


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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 19,075
    mrbiron wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Does any consumer product made today have a lifespan of older products ? Seriously guys, your splitting hairs. You are not going to get a lifespan in consumer electronics these days from anything. Some technologies may be worse than others, but as a whole, they all suck.

    Items would last longer, but what is easier to do in today's society?
    A-Pay the high repair costs
    B-Throw away and buy new
    C-Try and repair it yourself

    I'm all for "C", but there are scenarios that are beyond ones capabilities ie. dead pixels.

    I repaired, a couple of years ago, a TV i bought new in 07. 4 replacement caps cost me $10. She's still my daily driver. Only when i CAN'T repair it will i think about getting a new one.

    I think you can buy jars of bulk-packed pixels on eBAY...

  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,294
    mhardy6647 wrote: »

    I think you can buy jars of bulk-packed pixels on eBAY...

    Someone needs to buy a bag of 500 and then sort them into bags of 50 and give them out as karma. :p
  • deronb1deronb1 Posts: 4,297
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    mrbiron wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Does any consumer product made today have a lifespan of older products ? Seriously guys, your splitting hairs. You are not going to get a lifespan in consumer electronics these days from anything. Some technologies may be worse than others, but as a whole, they all suck.

    Items would last longer, but what is easier to do in today's society?
    A-Pay the high repair costs
    B-Throw away and buy new
    C-Try and repair it yourself

    I'm all for "C", but there are scenarios that are beyond ones capabilities ie. dead pixels.

    I repaired, a couple of years ago, a TV i bought new in 07. 4 replacement caps cost me $10. She's still my daily driver. Only when i CAN'T repair it will i think about getting a new one.

    I think you can buy jars of bulk-packed pixels on eBAY...

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