Receiver at A4L: what to buy for ~ $500

What receiver you buy at A4L around $500 to power RTiA5 and CSiA4?
RTiA5 + CSiA4
No surround...yet
Pioneer VSX920

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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 3,752
    This: https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/marsr5011/marantz-sr5011-7.2-ch-x-100-watts-networking-a/v-receiver/1.html warm up those rtis and get just about every feature you could want for a simpler setup. I think you’ll be happy!
    HT Rig:
    Yamaha RX-A1010; Parasound HCA-1000a; Arcam rDac; Mains: PSB Imagine Mini + MartinLogan Dynamo (original) sub; Center - Def Tech Procenter 1000; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - SVS PB10-ISD; Sony BDP-S390, FireTV gen 2

    Master Bedroom
    Marantz SR-5007; Audiosource Amp Two, Dynaudio Emit 10, NHT Super One CI, ACI Titan subwoofer, FireTV, Arcam rDac; Bryson BPD-1
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,182
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    This: https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/marsr5011/marantz-sr5011-7.2-ch-x-100-watts-networking-a/v-receiver/1.html warm up those rtis and get just about every feature you could want for a simpler setup. I think you’ll be happy!

    Or this https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavrx3300w/denon-avr-x3300w-7.2-ch-x-105-watts-networking-a/v-receiver/1.html

    Marantz only uses Audyssey XT, Denon X3300 uses XT32. I have the SR5010 and do like them a lot once I figured out how to dial in Audyssey.

    My Friend has the X3300 and my old RTi8. The X3300 drives them nice.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Marantz SR5010, Emotiva BasX-A300
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk TSX250C
    Front High TC80i
    Rear: Polk MC80
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S30
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 205
    Arghhhh....That's exactly my main dilemma: This Marantz (SR5011) vs this Denon (X3300W)
    I've never heard a Marantz, but always liked their look, and I was told their sound signature will help tame the brightness of my RTiA5. On top of it, the depth is just fine for my cabinet. Also, their pre-out are better?
    But the Denon X3300W has XT32, and I've read it was more competing with the SR6011, so I would assume it's better than the SR5011? Also, the depth if the 3300 MIGHT be an issue (not sure though...)
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 3,448
    Two great choices !!

    Good luck. Maybe the Denon will fit.

    Then, you have to weigh the features and reviews that might be online.
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies . I am glad to be a part of a select group that tries to take our auditory and visual senses to a higher level: we EXPERIENCE them.... GOT SDA?... Got TFM ?
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 205
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 3,448
    edited December 2
    The Denon weighs 1.7 lbs. more.
    The Integra weighs 17.4 lbs. more. :o
    You can control the Marantz or the Denon with an I-phone or tablet , etc. .
    Both support Dolby Atmos too.
    Very Nice Receivers at great prices !

    I've seen a few Integras over the years that have stopped working . But you do get a 2 year warranty with it and it's on sale FOR A HECK OF A DEAL !!! But it's got to be huge compared to the other two. Yea, 2-1/4" deeper for the Integra. Will it fit ?
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies . I am glad to be a part of a select group that tries to take our auditory and visual senses to a higher level: we EXPERIENCE them.... GOT SDA?... Got TFM ?
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,182
    One red flag on the Integra that would concern me.

    These are going for upto 70% off and they are not sold out. These are Onkyo top end with a $1500 AVR selling for $400 or less and they have not sold out, some ting wong. I know they do have a heat/HDMI board issue but that is one deep price cut.

    It it was me I would get the Denon for two reasons.
    1. Audyssey XT32
    2. I'm not liking that porthole display.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Marantz SR5010, Emotiva BasX-A300
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk TSX250C
    Front High TC80i
    Rear: Polk MC80
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S30
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 205
    I agree that the Integra is maybe risky......and way too big anyway
    How is the "usual" Denon sound signature?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 8,469
    Not bright, much like the Marantz
    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures, Simaudio 780D DAC
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Modwright LS100, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 205
    Great...looks like the Denon is the right choice then !!!
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,182
    edited December 2
    French_guy wrote: »
    Great...looks like the Denon is the right choice then !!!

    Good choice,

    One thing I would like to find is a parts list for Denon and Marantz AVR. Would be nice to see what is shared and what is not. Inside pictures of the X4300 and SR7011 look the same.

    They could very well be the same internal layout but Marantz using higher quality chips. Or they could be the same.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Marantz SR5010, Emotiva BasX-A300
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk TSX250C
    Front High TC80i
    Rear: Polk MC80
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S30
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,903
    @French_guy

    I'm basically on the fence between these two as well, but haven't pulled the trigger yet as my current avr is still hanging in there...barely.

    The Marantz was $50 cheaper last week for black friday, but now at it's current price makes the Denon even more attractive in this comparison.

    I trust the recommendations for the Denon, but like the look of the Marantz better, and feel that the Marantz name might have better re-sale value. But in the $500 AVR market, I don't think re-sale value is really something to consider anyways.

    Good luck, interested to see how your decision progresses....
    __________________________________________________
    2 Channel
    Turntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado Gold Cartridge
    Phono Stage - PS Audio GCPH
    Preamplifier - Dared SL-2000A
    Amplifier - McCormack DNA 0.5 Deluxe
    Speakers - GoldenEar Triton 2
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    7.1 Home Theater
    Denon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Polk CS350ls, LS90's, FXi3's, RC60i; SVS PC Ultra; BenQ W1070; Elite Screens 120"
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    Man Cave
    Turntable - Sony PS-LX410/Grado Green Cartridge
    Phono Stage - Parks Audio Budgie
    CD - Marantz DV4001
    Passive Pre - Luminous Audio Axiom II
    Amplifier - Parasound HCA-1500A
    Speakers - SDA 2A (x-overs etc...); Epos Epic 2; Polk Audio Monitor 70 (my first)
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  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,182
    THis is what I'm seeing
    AVR-X4300H
    m05odgcsvm2b.jpg

    SR7011c0h26ug18oib.jpg

    Other than the face plate config they look almost the same. Been looking for inside pictures of the X4400 and 7012.

    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Marantz SR5010, Emotiva BasX-A300
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk TSX250C
    Front High TC80i
    Rear: Polk MC80
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S30
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,903
    Wow...that's crazy!
    __________________________________________________
    2 Channel
    Turntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado Gold Cartridge
    Phono Stage - PS Audio GCPH
    Preamplifier - Dared SL-2000A
    Amplifier - McCormack DNA 0.5 Deluxe
    Speakers - GoldenEar Triton 2
    __________________________________________________
    7.1 Home Theater
    Denon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Polk CS350ls, LS90's, FXi3's, RC60i; SVS PC Ultra; BenQ W1070; Elite Screens 120"
    __________________________________________________
    Man Cave
    Turntable - Sony PS-LX410/Grado Green Cartridge
    Phono Stage - Parks Audio Budgie
    CD - Marantz DV4001
    Passive Pre - Luminous Audio Axiom II
    Amplifier - Parasound HCA-1500A
    Speakers - SDA 2A (x-overs etc...); Epos Epic 2; Polk Audio Monitor 70 (my first)
    __________________________________________________
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 3,448
    That's a lot of micro-chips in those. :o
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies . I am glad to be a part of a select group that tries to take our auditory and visual senses to a higher level: we EXPERIENCE them.... GOT SDA?... Got TFM ?
  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 1,460
    Had a Marantz 7008, that I got used, and ran the RTI A5's with it. For music it really toned down the brightness of those tweeters, and enhanced the upper mid-range quite a bit. Unfortunately it gave up the magic smoke in a very exciting manner.

    I prefer the Marantz sound over the Denon for music. As far as HT, sound wise, I wouldn't say one is better than the other, but Denon usually has more features.

    Both are good choices, but I would lean Marantz.

    Internals, chip layout may be very similar, but it's the signal paths, how they're incorporated, isolation, mounting, internal bracing, and a number of other things. Everything contributes to sound quality. Even the type of music one listens too has a bearing on which manufacturer sounds better, let alone the most important thing, your very own ears.
  • smglbrthsmglbrth Posts: 1,018
    There are obviously differences in them..., still..., looks like they're made on sister assembly lines...
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 205
    Assuming I want to upgrade later with a power amp (at least for the 2 fronts, or 2 fronts + center)
    1) Is there a receiver better than the other (Marantz SR5011 vs Denon AVR X3300w)
    2) Which amp (2 or 3 channels) would be the best choice (used I guess) for the selected receiver AND my RTiA5

    Thanks
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 3,752
    If you plan to add a sub, get the Denon for the Audyssey XT32.

    As for an amp, run, don't walk, and get @daboyz's B4K 3 channel amp. That puppy would power and warm up those RTis quite nicely...
    HT Rig:
    Yamaha RX-A1010; Parasound HCA-1000a; Arcam rDac; Mains: PSB Imagine Mini + MartinLogan Dynamo (original) sub; Center - Def Tech Procenter 1000; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - SVS PB10-ISD; Sony BDP-S390, FireTV gen 2

    Master Bedroom
    Marantz SR-5007; Audiosource Amp Two, Dynaudio Emit 10, NHT Super One CI, ACI Titan subwoofer, FireTV, Arcam rDac; Bryson BPD-1
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,182
    Yeah that is a nice amp and would be nice on some RTiA5.

    Years ago a Friend was trying to sell me his XPA Emo. Was a much better sounding than just powering them with my Sony ES.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Marantz SR5010, Emotiva BasX-A300
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk TSX250C
    Front High TC80i
    Rear: Polk MC80
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S30
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 205
    Assuming I go with the Denon AVR X3300W.................I've read many times on many threads that adding an amp will be a noticeable improvement, even with RTiA5 that are not "hard to drive speakers"
    There is a parasound HCA-1000 for sale on my local Craigslist for $250
    Would this be a good starter for my 2 fronts? Is it a good price, or on the high side?
    And then later on try to find a HCA 1500 for the 2 fronts, and keep the HCA-1000 for the center?
    Or is this a waste of money, and I will be better in finding a good 3 channel power amp? In that case, which should I be looking at?

    Thanks
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 3,752
    The parasound is a good amp, and should be a good match for your mains. Offer $200, make sure to open it up and make sure that the caps are not bulging or leaking. And yes, it would make an excellent center channel amp, although probably overkill for what you presently have.

    Why not @daboyz's B&K?
    HT Rig:
    Yamaha RX-A1010; Parasound HCA-1000a; Arcam rDac; Mains: PSB Imagine Mini + MartinLogan Dynamo (original) sub; Center - Def Tech Procenter 1000; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - SVS PB10-ISD; Sony BDP-S390, FireTV gen 2

    Master Bedroom
    Marantz SR-5007; Audiosource Amp Two, Dynaudio Emit 10, NHT Super One CI, ACI Titan subwoofer, FireTV, Arcam rDac; Bryson BPD-1
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 205
    Why not the B&K from @daboy'z: good point, and no specific reason at all
    He is in the Chicago area, I'm in the Detroit area.....Not that far actually
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 3,752
    I think the B&K would be a slightly better match as it is very warm sounding with a rich midrange, whereas the parasound is a more neutral with a more detailed top end which might be too much with the RTis...
    HT Rig:
    Yamaha RX-A1010; Parasound HCA-1000a; Arcam rDac; Mains: PSB Imagine Mini + MartinLogan Dynamo (original) sub; Center - Def Tech Procenter 1000; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - SVS PB10-ISD; Sony BDP-S390, FireTV gen 2

    Master Bedroom
    Marantz SR-5007; Audiosource Amp Two, Dynaudio Emit 10, NHT Super One CI, ACI Titan subwoofer, FireTV, Arcam rDac; Bryson BPD-1
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 27,815
    French_guy wrote: »
    Why not the B&K from @daboy'z: good point, and no specific reason at all
    He is in the Chicago area, I'm in the Detroit area.....Not that far actually

    Because some garlic smelling dago already snatched it out of his kung-fu death grip, that's why. :)
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  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 205
    i know..................... :'(
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 3,752
    hey @French_guy I would just start off with a nicer receiver. The Denon, Marantz, or Pioneer that @Dskip is selling are all good choices, just look at the different features and reviews and pick one. Run it on its own for a while. You will notice an immediate improvement over what you have, I promise (I had the one level higher of your pioneer, and it was fine but the Denon and Marantz will both crush it). Then you can decide down the road what upgrade is next. I personally would probably get a sub before I would get an amp. A sub would take some of the load off of your speakers making them need less power anyway. And if you plan on getting a sub I would go with the Denon since it has XT32...
    HT Rig:
    Yamaha RX-A1010; Parasound HCA-1000a; Arcam rDac; Mains: PSB Imagine Mini + MartinLogan Dynamo (original) sub; Center - Def Tech Procenter 1000; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - SVS PB10-ISD; Sony BDP-S390, FireTV gen 2

    Master Bedroom
    Marantz SR-5007; Audiosource Amp Two, Dynaudio Emit 10, NHT Super One CI, ACI Titan subwoofer, FireTV, Arcam rDac; Bryson BPD-1
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 205
    edited December 7
    Yeah....I saw Dskip's post. Was almost decided on the Denon X330W, but lots of good comments on the Elite SC-63.....Not sure about the Pioneer's room calibration vs the Audyssey XT32 though.
    Other thing: I don't believe I would go anytime soon with Dolby Atmos....so it's not a deciding factor (I think)
    So now my question is to know if the Elite SC-63 is a better AVR than the Denon.....in terms of sound quality, and how well it will fit with my RTiA5!!!
    Post edited by French_guy on
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • French_guyFrench_guy Posts: 205
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    The parasound is a good amp, and should be a good match for your mains. Offer $200, make sure to open it up and make sure that the caps are not bulging or leaking. And yes, it would make an excellent center channel amp, although probably overkill for what you presently have.

    Why not @daboyz's B&K?

    The HCA-1000 I saw on Craigslist sold for $250 apparently
    But the same seller is also selling a PHP-850 preamp for $175....I've read it was a good preamp. But Is this a reasonable price?
    RTiA5 + CSiA4
    No surround...yet
    Pioneer VSX920
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 3,752
    French_guy wrote: »
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    The parasound is a good amp, and should be a good match for your mains. Offer $200, make sure to open it up and make sure that the caps are not bulging or leaking. And yes, it would make an excellent center channel amp, although probably overkill for what you presently have.

    Why not @daboyz's B&K?

    The HCA-1000 I saw on Craigslist sold for $250 apparently
    But the same seller is also selling a PHP-850 preamp for $175....I've read it was a good preamp. But Is this a reasonable price?

    I have no idea on the preamp. Hopefully, others will chime in!
    HT Rig:
    Yamaha RX-A1010; Parasound HCA-1000a; Arcam rDac; Mains: PSB Imagine Mini + MartinLogan Dynamo (original) sub; Center - Def Tech Procenter 1000; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - SVS PB10-ISD; Sony BDP-S390, FireTV gen 2

    Master Bedroom
    Marantz SR-5007; Audiosource Amp Two, Dynaudio Emit 10, NHT Super One CI, ACI Titan subwoofer, FireTV, Arcam rDac; Bryson BPD-1
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