$170 CDP - Pioneer PD-10AE

ClipdatClipdat Posts: 2,763
edited October 2017 in Electronics
Just came across the Pioneer PD-10AE CD player on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-Player-Home-Black-PD-10AE/dp/B01M5DV119/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1508867906&sr=8-3

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Specs:
AKM-DAC 4482VT DAC

S/N: 107 dB

THD: 0.0029 %

Dynamic Range: 100 dB

Frequency Response: 4 Hz-20 kHz

Looks like a no-frills player, with basic features - no digital output even.

Interestingly, the power transformer is stamped "Onkyo", and it has a very similar internal layout to the Onkyo C-7030.

Pioneer:
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Onkyo:
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Possibly made by the same OEM? The Onkyo is $30 less on Amazon.

Thoughts? I wonder how this budget Pioneer player would sound.



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  • UpstatemaxUpstatemax Posts: 2,175
    From what I can tell, the Onkyo has a different DAC (wolfson) and the Onkyo has a headphone amp.

    IIRC, Onkyo and Pioneer and one in the same now...
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 16,942
    Upstatemax wrote: »
    ...

    IIRC, Onkyo and Pioneer and one in the same now...

    That is correct. Pioneer sold that part of their business a while back.

    So -- in 2017, who the heck is the target audience for a player like this "Pioneer"? I mean, you can pick up a $29 DVD player at the drug store that will play CDs and provide digital output if one prefers to use an external DAC(!).

    I am truly puzzled by this one.
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,081
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Upstatemax wrote: »
    ...

    IIRC, Onkyo and Pioneer and one in the same now...

    That is correct. Pioneer sold that part of their business a while back.

    So -- in 2017, who the heck is the target audience for a player like this "Pioneer"? I mean, you can pick up a $29 DVD player at the drug store that will play CDs and provide digital output if one prefers to use an external DAC(!).

    I am truly puzzled by this one.

    While on the one hand, I agree with you; not too many people at this price point looking for a quality disk spinner (most audiophile disk spinners have their sights set higher). On the other hand, surely this will sound better (without factoring in the external DAC) than the Walmart DVD player. Less vibration (a LOT less), less noise from the power supply, smoother mechanism, etc. But when you factor in a $150-200 DAC, it probably a wash.

    But yes, I would b every curious to see the US sales numbers on the pioneer and onkyo. Can't expect them to be very high...
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 16,942
    Well -- if the transport actually were any better than the 29 dollar DVD player, I'd see a use for it (e.g., as a transport) -- if it had even the capability of getting at the digital data for an outboard DAC.

    Do you think any components in it actually are any better (than the 29 dollar throwaways)? I am skeptical.
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,081
    edited October 2017
    Surely this pioneer running analog into a comparable stereo integrated (like this https://amazon.com/Onkyo-9050-Integrated-Stereo-Amplifier/dp/B009JBZFVK) would surely sound better than the 29 buck DVD player running digitally into a HTIB or even an even level AVR right???
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Parasound HCA-1205A; Arcam rDac; Mains: Dynaudio Emit 10 + MartinLogan Dynamo (original) sub; Center - Def Tech Procenter 1000; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - SVS PB10-ISD; Sony BDP-S390, FireTV gen 2

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 16,942
    edited October 2017
    but how about a standalone DAC and a decent hifi.

    Heck, I use a dump-find, cheap-jack Denon DVD player as my CD transport upstairs. It was taste-tested against other decks and sounds darned good to me.


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    I actually don't mean to be argumentative :) I am just baffled as to why, in 2017, there would be much of a market for a product like the titular one in this thread.

    Maybe I should look it up & see what Onkyo/Pioneer has to say about it, eh?

    I'm on it like a bonnet -- because I truly am curious!

    EDIT: Maybe they figure the DAC they put in it is future-proof enough to justify a 170 expenditure(?).
    https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/2-Channel+Components/PD-10AE
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,081
    I agree with you doc, that this has a VERY small market, and I doubt we will see them for much longer. But I am just saying that someone on budget, who only buys new gear (that's why Emotiva exists after all, when used amps that sound much better are cheaper), and who wants a simple, quality two-channel rig, might, just might, find this unit appealing.

    But yes, I would buy something like my Pioneer Elite DV-47Ai which retailed for 1200 in 2004, which I got on ebay for I think $70 shipped, over this unit any day...
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Parasound HCA-1205A; Arcam rDac; Mains: Dynaudio Emit 10 + MartinLogan Dynamo (original) sub; Center - Def Tech Procenter 1000; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - SVS PB10-ISD; Sony BDP-S390, FireTV gen 2

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    Marantz SR-5007; Audiosource Amp Two, PSB Imagine Mini, Boston VR-10 center, NHT Super One CI surrounds, ACI Titan subwoofer, FireTV, Arcam rDac; Bryson BPD-1
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 16,942
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    heh -- I also see that, ex-US, this thing's available in "silver" :/
    That'd be nice, eh? :)

    http://www.pioneer-audiovisual.eu/uk/def/products/pd-10ae


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    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • teekay0007teekay0007 Posts: 2,027
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    I am just baffled as to why, in 2017, there would be much of a market for a product like the titular one in this thread.


    Heh, heh...He said, "titular"....Heh, heh... :p


    I too think that it not having any digital outputs would be a deal breaker. How good can the internal DAC be on this thing?

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