Help me choose a tubed integrated

hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,854
So I have the GoldenEar Triton 2's. They are 91db efficiency and a powered bass section so I would think they are fairly easy to drive. I'm looking to move from my current setup to a tubed integrated amp.

My budget would be around $800-$1,000.

I would prefer to stay away from vintage units. Also would prefer something easily biased.

I am currently looking at something like a used PrimaLuna Prologue 2, or a Jolida 502crc.

Any input would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Paul
2 Channel
Turntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado Gold Cartridge
Phono Stage - PS Audio GCPH
Preamplifier - Dared SL-2000A
Amplifier - Parasound HCA-1500a
Speakers - GoldenEar Triton 2
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  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,854
    On the radar...

    Primaluna Prologue 2
    Jolida 502crc
    Cayin A-88t
    2 Channel
    Turntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado Gold Cartridge
    Phono Stage - PS Audio GCPH
    Preamplifier - Dared SL-2000A
    Amplifier - Parasound HCA-1500a
    Speakers - GoldenEar Triton 2
  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 4,166
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
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  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,854
    Thank you @ZLTFUL I have considered a hybrid and Vincent would definitely be at the top of my list, but I think I am looking for a full tubed integrated...and one with the tubes showing :)
    2 Channel
    Turntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado Gold Cartridge
    Phono Stage - PS Audio GCPH
    Preamplifier - Dared SL-2000A
    Amplifier - Parasound HCA-1500a
    Speakers - GoldenEar Triton 2
  • Msabot1Msabot1 Posts: 1,884
    Not an integrated but I have a Primaluna Prologue II pre that I enjoy quite a bit..Very good build quality..P-P hand wiring is a feature they incorporate into all their products...can't go wrong with that brand..
  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,854
    Yea, I have really had my eye on Primaluna for awhile now. Their lowest models seem to be on the used market for right around the top of my budget. The Jolida seem to be a little lower in price and I feel like they are a quality brand as well.
    2 Channel
    Turntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado Gold Cartridge
    Phono Stage - PS Audio GCPH
    Preamplifier - Dared SL-2000A
    Amplifier - Parasound HCA-1500a
    Speakers - GoldenEar Triton 2
  • deucekazoodeucekazoo Posts: 139
    Check out Decware. You can find their stuff used sometimes for the price you are looking at. Real nice amps that are auto bias and US made.
    Polk S10, S8, S4
    Polk RT8
    Polk Monitor 7s
    Working on getting SDAs
  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 4,807
    The Chinese ones are a good value and sound VG when you roll some nice tubes into them.

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    ManCave: Parasound Halo A23 x2 Amps Parsound Halo A21 Amp & P5 Pre | Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's| Usher BE-616 Center|KEF T100 Surrounds | SVS SB2000 Sub |Oppo UDP 203 | MIT Shotgun S3's | Marantz SA8004 SACD | Bluesound Node 2 | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Budgie Phono Pre | Samsung 50" SUHD TV

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  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 4,807
    Also think about how you are going to connect the subs in the Goldenears
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    ManCave: Parasound Halo A23 x2 Amps Parsound Halo A21 Amp & P5 Pre | Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's| Usher BE-616 Center|KEF T100 Surrounds | SVS SB2000 Sub |Oppo UDP 203 | MIT Shotgun S3's | Marantz SA8004 SACD | Bluesound Node 2 | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Budgie Phono Pre | Samsung 50" SUHD TV

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  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,854
    deucekazoo wrote: »
    Check out Decware. You can find their stuff used sometimes for the price you are looking at. Real nice amps that are auto bias and US made.

    I've heard good things about Decware, but I thought thier stuff was all fleawatt types for super efficient speakers. I'll check them out though, thanks.
    2 Channel
    Turntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado Gold Cartridge
    Phono Stage - PS Audio GCPH
    Preamplifier - Dared SL-2000A
    Amplifier - Parasound HCA-1500a
    Speakers - GoldenEar Triton 2
  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,854
    Also think about how you are going to connect the subs in the Goldenears

    The Goldenears have a LFE input, but you don't have to use it. I have mine connected now with just the speakers cables and it sounds great.
    2 Channel
    Turntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado Gold Cartridge
    Phono Stage - PS Audio GCPH
    Preamplifier - Dared SL-2000A
    Amplifier - Parasound HCA-1500a
    Speakers - GoldenEar Triton 2
  • deucekazoodeucekazoo Posts: 139
    hochpt21 wrote: »
    deucekazoo wrote: »
    Check out Decware. You can find their stuff used sometimes for the price you are looking at. Real nice amps that are auto bias and US made.

    I've heard good things about Decware, but I thought thier stuff was all fleawatt types for super efficient speakers. I'll check them out though, thanks.

    They make some for less efficient speakers. Your speakers at 91 are not too bad.
    You might be interested in this one.

    http://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?num=1506200373
    Polk S10, S8, S4
    Polk RT8
    Polk Monitor 7s
    Working on getting SDAs
  • decaldecal Posts: 2,930
    Up your budget a bit and get a used Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum.
    If you can't hear a difference, don't waste your money.
  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 2,736
    i have one of these. great sound and a price to dip your toes into the tube waters.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silk-Audio-MC100SE-KT88-Tube-Amplifier-Factory-upgraded-Yaqin-MC100B-/322795353608
    Main system
    http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?vopin&1162599347 Freelance reviewer for StereoMojo
  • ThortonThorton Posts: 982
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  • halohalo Posts: 3,654
    I had the pleasure of auditioning a Jolida Fusion 801 paired with ELAC Debut F6 speakers and I was totally blown away by that combination in a less than ideal listening room with minimal room treatment.
  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 4,807
    marvda1 wrote: »
    i have one of these. great sound and a price to dip your toes into the tube waters.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silk-Audio-MC100SE-KT88-Tube-Amplifier-Factory-upgraded-Yaqin-MC100B-/322795353608

    I have one and upgraded all the tubes with Shuguang Treasures and a nice pair of Tesla 12ax7/ecc83 vintage NOS pre tubes. it is very sweet sounding and the KT88's punch pretty nice.
    HT:Polk LSiM 706 LSiM 705's VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's| Marantz AV7702 | Sunfire TGA-7401 | Oppo BDP-103D | Sony PS4 | Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 64" Plasma | SVS PB13 Ultra | MIT EXP 2's (Fronts & Center)

    ManCave: Parasound Halo A23 x2 Amps Parsound Halo A21 Amp & P5 Pre | Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's| Usher BE-616 Center|KEF T100 Surrounds | SVS SB2000 Sub |Oppo UDP 203 | MIT Shotgun S3's | Marantz SA8004 SACD | Bluesound Node 2 | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Budgie Phono Pre | Samsung 50" SUHD TV

    Patio Polk Atrium 8's |Marantz 2252B |

    Office Bluesound Node | Audioengine P4 | Peachtree Nova 125SE |

    Closet | SDA SRS 2.3's | Monitor 5B's Yamaha M80 | Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's | Marantz 2385
  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,854
    marvda1 wrote: »
    i have one of these. great sound and a price to dip your toes into the tube waters.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silk-Audio-MC100SE-KT88-Tube-Amplifier-Factory-upgraded-Yaqin-MC100B-/322795353608
    marvda1 wrote: »
    i have one of these. great sound and a price to dip your toes into the tube waters.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silk-Audio-MC100SE-KT88-Tube-Amplifier-Factory-upgraded-Yaqin-MC100B-/322795353608

    I have one and upgraded all the tubes with Shuguang Treasures and a nice pair of Tesla 12ax7/ecc83 vintage NOS pre tubes. it is very sweet sounding and the KT88's punch pretty nice.

    Funny, I actually found this while searching about a week ago. Just wasn't sure about the reputation of the brand. I'll look more into this one as well.
    2 Channel
    Turntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado Gold Cartridge
    Phono Stage - PS Audio GCPH
    Preamplifier - Dared SL-2000A
    Amplifier - Parasound HCA-1500a
    Speakers - GoldenEar Triton 2
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 1,506
    Have you ever considered going to seperates and starting with a nice tube pre? Find one with dual outs (many have them) and use one set for LFE thereby reducing power needed for the mids/highs. The tube pre will give you a good starting point for the "tube sound" allowing more time to build funds for a future amp. Just a thought thrown out there.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • FaustinFaustin Posts: 680
    I have dealt with Silk Audio in the past and I believe other forum members have as well. The owner Ray is a great guy. When I was considering the MC100, he invited me to his place to audition the unit. Purchased it and used it for a year or so and then moved up the ladder to a Rogue Cronus Magnum II. Next step will probably be going to tube separates.
  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,854
    kharp1 wrote: »
    Have you ever considered going to seperates and starting with a nice tube pre? Find one with dual outs (many have them) and use one set for LFE thereby reducing power needed for the mids/highs. The tube pre will give you a good starting point for the "tube sound" allowing more time to build funds for a future amp. Just a thought thrown out there.

    I have considered that. Part of the issue is that I am needing to sell the Krell, as that was part of the deal of me getting the new speakers. :) The other part is that I am looking to put this gear in a smaller rack and don't think I'd have room for separates.

    One option that I would potentially have is just getting a tubed amp. My GCPH phono pre can be used as a preamp on its own and does a really nice job. I could hook that directly into the amp and be all set. The only problem there is that I would not have the option for any digital music, which although rare, I do use from time to time.

    Hence, what has lead me to an integrated.
    2 Channel
    Turntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado Gold Cartridge
    Phono Stage - PS Audio GCPH
    Preamplifier - Dared SL-2000A
    Amplifier - Parasound HCA-1500a
    Speakers - GoldenEar Triton 2
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 27,621
    How is an integrated going to solve your digital needs ? You need a dac, most integrateds don't have one.
    legacy Focus 20/20
    Butler tdb 2250
    Cary Xciter dac
    Joule LA-100
    Pioneer BDP 320
    Sony 4k 55 850c
    FX 500 surround
    Acoustic zen Satori SC's
    Pioneer elite vsx21
    Sonos-Cullen mod.
    Audio Metallurgy GA-0 digital
    PS Audio Quintet
    Analysis Plus crystal ovals
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2's IC
  • mikeyb128mikeyb128 Posts: 2,457
    Keep the krell and buy a tube pre. I think sound quality wise, would be better than a 800 integrated. If it were me I would go this route. Or be more patient and save a little longer. There are some really nice Cary integrateds going for under 2000 with upgraded tubes in them, heck I've seen some in the 1500$ range that originally retailed for 5-6000 bucks. I love Cary and feel that one of their tubed integrated amps would outperform brands mentioned above. Not to mention they look as good as they sound. This is somewhat of a biased opinion though.
    2 channel:
    Bryston 4B3, Bryston BDA3, Cary SLP03, Shanling CDT1000SE with parts conneXion level 2 mods, Nottingham analogue ace space 294, soundsmith Carmen MKii , Eastern Electric minimax phono pre, Core power technologies balanced power conditioner, Akiko Corelli power conditioner with Akiko Audio HQ power cable, Nordost heimdall 2, Frey 2, interconnects, speaker and power cables, Focal Electra 1028 BE 2, Auralic Aries mini, Black diamond racing cones, ingress audio level 1 roller blocks, JL Audio E110 with Auralic subdude, Primacoustics room treatments.
    Theater:
    Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables.

  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 4,166
    edited October 18
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
    2 Channel: Silverline Audio Sonatina MKI, Monitor 5 Series II, DIY Seas based bookies
    LR 2 Channel: LSi7, DSW-MP2000
    HT: JTR Triple 8 LCRs, DIYSG Volt 8LX Surrounds, DIYSG Volt 6LX Atmos, 6 SI HT-18D2 Subs
    Guest BR 2 Channel: Swans D1080MKII
    Deck: Pyle BT Speaker pair with upgraded woofers
  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,854
    tonyb wrote: »
    How is an integrated going to solve your digital needs ? You need a dac, most integrateds don't have one.

    It is rare that I listen to digital and if then it is never critical. I just hook my computer streaming Spotify through a little HRT Music Streamer dac.
    2 Channel
    Turntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado Gold Cartridge
    Phono Stage - PS Audio GCPH
    Preamplifier - Dared SL-2000A
    Amplifier - Parasound HCA-1500a
    Speakers - GoldenEar Triton 2
  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,854
    mikeyb128 wrote: »
    Keep the krell and buy a tube pre. I think sound quality wise, would be better than a 800 integrated. If it were me I would go this route. Or be more patient and save a little longer. There are some really nice Cary integrateds going for under 2000 with upgraded tubes in them, heck I've seen some in the 1500$ range that originally retailed for 5-6000 bucks. I love Cary and feel that one of their tubed integrated amps would outperform brands mentioned above. Not to mention they look as good as they sound. This is somewhat of a biased opinion though.

    I agree with you. I just have to figure out how to try to fit everything into the space I'm moving it to.
    2 Channel
    Turntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado Gold Cartridge
    Phono Stage - PS Audio GCPH
    Preamplifier - Dared SL-2000A
    Amplifier - Parasound HCA-1500a
    Speakers - GoldenEar Triton 2
  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,854
    edited October 18
    This is how I had my gear at one point. Then we rearranged the living room. Now we are arranging it back and I need to fit it all in there again.




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    2 Channel
    Turntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado Gold Cartridge
    Phono Stage - PS Audio GCPH
    Preamplifier - Dared SL-2000A
    Amplifier - Parasound HCA-1500a
    Speakers - GoldenEar Triton 2
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 1,506
    Aw, man, that's easy...I thought you had some kind of serious space issue.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • nspindelnspindel Posts: 5,226
    Funny that you're selling the Krell amp to buy the tubed integrated, Paul. I did the same thing. I got a VPI 299D. Over your budget, but don't let that stop you. Mine replaced the Krell, my tubed pre, phono stage, and headphone amp, not to mention all the cables to hook all that up. Haven't looked back once. Go for it.
    Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,533
    Cables - that is an area where you begin to see huge value with integrated amplifiers.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, iFi LS3.5
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Dayens Ampino, Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • nspindelnspindel Posts: 5,226
    Bingo.
    Good music, a good source, and good power can make SDA's sing. Tubes make them dance.
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