Legacy Focus 20/20 and Butler 2250 amp

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  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 5,017
    I can sell you some Greg Straley reality cables that I got from @tonyb that are too short for my current setup. They were the best cables I've tried so far.

    Not sure if he used them in his main system or not before he sold them to me.

    If you wanted to you could ask him about them in that system and send me a PM if you are interested.
    __________________________________________________
    2 Channel
    Turntable - VPI Scout 1.1/Ortofon 2M Blue
    Integrated Amplifier - Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II
    Speakers - GoldenEar Triton 2
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    7.1 Home Theater
    Denon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Polk CS350ls, LS90's, FXi3's, RC60i; SVS PC Ultra; BenQ W1070; Elite Screens 120"
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    Man Cave
    Turntable - 1) Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado Gold; 2) Sony PS LX410/Grado Green
    Phono Stage - PS Audio GCPH
    CD - Marantz DV4001
    Passive Pre - Luminous Audio Axiom II
    Amplifier - Parasound HCA-1500A
    Speakers - SDA 2A (x-overs etc...); Epos Epic 2; Polk Audio Monitor 70 (my first)
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,193
    vmoreno74 wrote: »
    Thank you for the info Tony. Are you using a specific brand of speaker cable?

    I use Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables and AZ Matrix 2 interconnects to the amp. I've found this to be a very good fit for these speakers.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,193
    nbrowser wrote: »
    DSkip wrote: »
    He's a monoprice kind of guy.

    Them's fightin werds eh!

    Indeed they are...lol, anyone who knows me knows my distain for Monoprice.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • la2vegasla2vegas Posts: 2,495
    tonyb wrote: »
    nbrowser wrote: »
    DSkip wrote: »
    He's a monoprice kind of guy.

    Them's fightin werds eh!

    Indeed they are...lol, anyone who knows me knows my distain for Monoprice.

    Would you purchase stock in the company?
    2.3TL, 3.1TL, SDA 2B, SDA II, 7B, 7C, 7 series 2, 10B, 5JR+, 5JR, 5A, 4.5, 4, RTA 11T X2 pairs, RTA 8T, LSI9, LSI7, RTI A7, RTI A3, CSI A4, CSI A6, F/XI A4, RTI4. That's all for now.
  • Hi Tony,

    Thanks for the cable info. I sent you a PM.

    Hoping the system allowed my account to deliver it to your inbox.

    Thanks!
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,193
    Speakers sold and delivered this morning. Thanks to vmoreno74 for a clean no hassle transaction. Take care of my babies. :)
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,275
    Well congrats on the sale @tonyb. Hope things are looking up for you very soon.
    HT Rig:
    Denon AVR-X4200w; Parasound HCA-1205A; Arcam rDac; Mains: Dynaudio Emit 10 + MartinLogan Dynamo (original) sub; Center - Def Tech Procenter 1000; Heights, Center Surround - Klipsch KHC - 6 In-Ceiling; Surrounds - Monoprice in-ceiling; Sub - SVS PB10-ISD; Sony BDP-S390, FireTV gen 2

    Master Bedroom
    Marantz SR-5007; Audiosource Amp Two, PSB Imagine Mini, Boston VR-10 center, NHT Super One CI surrounds, ACI Titan subwoofer, FireTV, Arcam rDac; Bryson BPD-1
  • I will Tony! Thanks for the help loading them into my car. You are indeed a great guy!

    Forgot to ask, did you use any specific product to clean the wood or a towel and water was enough?

    Thanks again!
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,193
    You can use any furniture polish but not the ones with heavy chemicals. Usually the better products are safer. Lemon oil makes them shine but it isn't the best for the finish. Just a damp rag around the drivers to keep dust off.

    Did your wife crap her pants when she saw them ?
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,193
    I should rephrase that, normally if a cleaner/polish is good for fine furniture, it should be ok for speakers. I used weinmans once in a while. I also never kept them in direct sunlight. If you let sun light hit them daily you'll definitely start seeing fading on the finish.

    I also had rules, for the wife....nothing goes on top of the speakers. Women love to put stuff on open spaces, flowers/pictures/etc. No drinks, no kids throwing toys around are allowed in the same room. Nobody was allowed to control the volume dial either but myself. You have to be able to recognize when your putting stress on speakers. These can fool you as with the right associated gear they will play loud and clear without fatigue.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • Thanks for the advice Tony! My wife was indeed surprised about the size but also intrigued about the sound.
    We had to visit some friends this weekend, so I am starting the cleaning tonight.

    Thanks again and wish you recover from your adverse situation as soon as possible.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,193
    Just delivered the amp to Kerry, nice dude. Chatted it up for awhile, man has that hording disease I guess like some of you other guys. lol.

    Man, when I boxed it up today, there wasn't so much as a hair scratch on the puppy, looked brand spankin' new. Should have asked for more money. :)

    Just kiddin' Kerry, hope you enjoy it. Let me know how it works out for you. I like people to be happy with whatever they buy from me.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,370
    Enjoyed meeting ya Tony. I saw you're in need of a sub, might be able to give you a killer deal on one of the SVS SB2000's I have since you hooked me up on this Butler. Looking forward to getting this amp in the system.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,193
    Talk to me once you get home man. Maybe we can work somethin' out. How was the burger btw ? Did ya go ?
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,370
    Ended up at Chicago Prime for a pretty good steak last night. Gonna try Kuma's today.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • @Tony,
    Wishing you the best of lucks finding the new speakers and sub for your system.

    @kharp1,
    Enjoy the amp!

    Cheers!
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,370
    This amp is truly a sleeping giant in the amp world!
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,193
    That it is Kerry, and it looks good doing it too. Makes me happy your enjoying it.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 4,070
    Shoot. I work right by the Kumas in Schaumburg. How did you like them?
    Lumin D1, KEF LS50 Wireless, Cayin scd-50T, LH Labs VI Dac, Technics 1200, Denon DL160, Jolida D9, HP I7 Laptop, Wireworld Eclipse 7, Wireworld Aurora, Wireworld Electra 7, Signal Magic Digital, Cardas Quadralink 5C, Velodyne SPL1200
    USB helpers: w4s Recovery

    HT: Elite SC27, Full Polk RTI setup.

  • Tony, by a chance did you biamp the speakers at some point in time? Just read couple guys biamped this type of speaker with tubes for highs and SS for the bass.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,193
    No, never needed to. My amp was more than enough and the speakers carry a 95 efficiency rating. IMHO....your better off with a ss amp in the 200 watts per channel + area and a tubed pre amp. I did have them bi-wired though. If your not bi-wiring make sure those jumpers are back in between the posts.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • tratlifftratliff Posts: 608
    vmoreno74 wrote: »
    Tony, by a chance did you biamp the speakers at some point in time? Just read couple guys biamped this type of speaker with tubes for highs and SS for the bass.

    Sorry to thread jack Tony!

    I did biamp my Focus SE's for short time with tubes on the top and SS on the bottom but it never met my expectations. I moved on to big SS and never looked back.
    2 Channel
    Legacy Focus SE, McIntosh C50, McIntosh MC601's, VPI Prime w/SoundSmith Zephyr MIMC, Parasound Halo JC3, Marantz SA-14s1, Oppo BDP-105, Technics RS-1500, Furman Elite 15PFi, Douglas Connection Alpha Interconnects, Douglas Connection Alpha Speaker Cables, Pangea Power Cables

    Theater
    Yamaha RX-Z9, Legacy Focus SE (same as 2 Channel system), Def Tech C/L/R 2500, Def Tech BP-2X, Def Tech Pro-Monitors, Vizio M-75

    Office
    Teac NP-H750, Parasound Ztuner, Audio Engine P4N, Grado SR80, Grado iGrado, Audio-Technica ATH-M50, PC running High Rez files

    Living Room
    Yamaha YSP-4100 digital sound projector, Sharp Aquos 60"

    Bed Room
    Yamaha YSP-5100 digital sound projector, Sharp Aquos 70"

  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,193
    no problem pal, they are too efficient to make bi-amping viable. They love current though, lots of it.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • tratliff wrote: »
    vmoreno74 wrote: »
    Tony, by a chance did you biamp the speakers at some point in time? Just read couple guys biamped this type of speaker with tubes for highs and SS for the bass.

    Sorry to thread jack Tony!

    I did biamp my Focus SE's for short time with tubes on the top and SS on the bottom but it never met my expectations. I moved on to big SS and never looked back.

    Thanks tratliff
  • tonyb wrote: »
    No, never needed to. My amp was more than enough and the speakers carry a 95 efficiency rating. IMHO....your better off with a ss amp in the 200 watts per channel + area and a tubed pre amp. I did have them bi-wired though. If your not bi-wiring make sure those jumpers are back in between the posts.

    Thanks Tony! Just recently read couple guys use tubes and they seem to love the sound.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,193
    vmoreno74 wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    No, never needed to. My amp was more than enough and the speakers carry a 95 efficiency rating. IMHO....your better off with a ss amp in the 200 watts per channel + area and a tubed pre amp. I did have them bi-wired though. If your not bi-wiring make sure those jumpers are back in between the posts.

    Thanks Tony! Just recently read couple guys use tubes and they seem to love the sound.

    Tubes do sound great on them, that's why I said a tubed pre amp. You need some muscle for those 3-12 inch cones in each speaker though. Something north of 40+ amperes peak to peak. The more the better. A tubed pre amp will add to those highs and also add to every other area of the musical presentation.

    The thing with bi-amping, using ss on the bottom and a tubed amp for the top, is your using 2 different amps with different current and delivery, different speed. So the sound may not sound as coherent as you'd like.

    Trust me my friend, find a GOOD SOUNDING used amp like a B&k, or McCormack amp. Find a cheap tubed pre from Yaqin or the likes for starters, you can always move up later.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,370
    They could have bought the Butler. Hybrid tube design, 250 watts pretty good sound
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,193
    Lol, I think he might have stretched the budget adding the Butler. Plus he'd have to sleep with one eye open, the wife might get ideas.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
  • kharp1kharp1 Posts: 2,370
    Wives just don't get it. No reason an appendage should be severed because the bank account was emptied for some much needed audio equipment.
    Main System:
    Joule-Electra LA 100 MKIII
    Pass Labs Aleph 30, McCormack DNA-125, Parasound A21
    Marantz SA-14S1
    Usher CP-6311/Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitor, LSA-1
    Dual SVS SB2000
    Wireworld Equinox 7 bi-wire, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 IC

    Secondary Rig:
    Parasound P5, Audio Electronics by Cary Constellation
    Marsh a200s, Audio Elecrtonics by Cary Hercules
    Pioneer Elite DV-45a, Denon DVD-2910
    Klipsch Epic CF-1, Vandersteen 3CE sig
    Analysus Plus Oval

  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,193
    Right ? but we're suppose to understand 50 pairs of shoes all over the joint.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    Tad 803 bookies
    Polk 500 surrounds
    Polk s35 center
    SVS SB-2000
    Sonos

    Music-

    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k 1403 amp
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    ERA D5 bookies

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
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