Need a new kitchen floor....

shawn474
shawn474 Posts: 3,047
edited August 2017 in The Clubhouse
So, we had an oven fire this weekend. The heating element somehow caught on fire (nothing we in the oven and nothing on the element). It sparked a bunch, glowed bright orange and began to melt and flame. After discharging a fire extinguisher (didn't do anything to calm the problem) I decided to pull out the oven, unplug and threw it onto the patio.

Long story short, everyone is fine. However we spent three hours cleaning up the contents of the fire extinguisher and spent most of the day yesterday picking up and installing the new stove. The issue is that in my haste to get the stove out of my house, I ripped the vinyl floor badly. So I took it up (it was due for replacement anyway). We are hoping to move next summer so don't want to spend a ton on the new floor. First estimate came in at $1750 for a vinyl sheet floor (approx 200 sq feet).

Anyone installed a vinyl sheet floor? How hard is it? I do a ton of home improvements but never vinyl. Have done ceramic tile but don't want to spend the time or effort since we are planning to move relatively soon. I am unsure how vinyl can ceramic vs laminate would effect resale value. Any input or advice is appreciated.
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
    So you assaulted a helpless oven? Oh the humanity!
  • DaveHo
    DaveHo Posts: 3,471
    Glad nobody was hurt & the damage isn't too serious. What are the rest of the finishes in the kitchen & house. Vinyl will negatively impact resale value if the rest of the kitchen is upscale, mid 90's grade finishes, not so much.
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,517
    edited August 2017
    What about something like this?

    We did our entry way a few years back, forget what it was we bought, but it was pretty cheap and looks good.... It may even BE that kinda stuff.

    If I did my math right, at 36 bucks for 18 square feet thats about 2 bucks a square foot..... which puts you at 400 in material...

    And if I can do this, you surely can. I got NO SKILLS (which is why my father in law helped).

    Will post some pics in a bit.
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,517
    edited August 2017
    Before (not me in picture):

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  • scubalab
    scubalab Posts: 3,101
    The floating floors are simple, inexpensive, and look nice. But, they move, creek, and exaggerate any imperfections if the subfloor isn't in decent shape. Ceramic tile is very cost effective, and if you get 16 or 18 inch tiles, would go fast. You'd likely need backer board (1/4" min,) though, so you could be adding upwards of an inch. It could then snowball and affect doors, cabinets, appliances, etc. All in, with backer board, thinset, grout, and tile, you could still do it a LOT LESS (like half) than that crazy high quote you got for vinyl.

    I did over 600 sf in our kitchen & foyer and love it. It's relatively easy (as long as you stay away from epoxy grout - that stuff sucks to work with!)
  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,517
    I should mention, I'm on a slab. So that helps me out in this area, but screws me over in others (lack of tactile transfer from sub, ease of running surround speaker wire under crawlspace, etc) :smile:
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  • Malbec
    Malbec Posts: 548
    At $8.75/sq. ft. installed, hire a flooring contractor and be done with it.
    It's a work area and vinyl is the easiest to maintain. Check your home owners insurance policy, you might be able to get some bucks that way.
    Get a couple more estimates.
  • aprazer402
    aprazer402 Posts: 3,087
    You might want to look at these. Mannington vinyl planks, 100% waterproof solid vinyl, interlocking, can be glued or float. I will be having one of these installed in the near future and will opt to glue. Several realistic weathered wood look colors. http://www.mannington.com/Residential/Adura
  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 32,926
    edited August 2017
    FWIW -- we had ceramic tile in the kitchen of our MA house when we bought it. We didn't like it at all. Cold underfoot (however, see below*), hard underfoot, and everything we dropped on it broke. Everything -- even plastic things. :/

    We ripped it out & replaced it with vinyl. I liked the vinyl better in every respect except its sensitivity to "abrasion" (surface scrapes and cuts).

    This house has (soft!) pine flooring thoughout, including the kitchen. I voted against it in the kitchen, but I was outvoted ;) It is OK but requires a fair amount of effort to keep clean, always looks a little grungy and (of course) readily dings, dents, scrapes and gouges. The latter comes with the territory for pine flooring -- but it's kind of an issue in the kitchen.

    If I had my druthers, we'd have put in bamboo flooring in the kitchen.

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    * The 'cold underfoot', it turns out, is easily remedied by installing radiant heat. Most of our NH house has radiant heat; it works really well under tile flooring (e.g., in the bathrooms). It is wonderful on a bitter cold NH winter night (or early morning)!
  • warren
    warren Posts: 756
    Black paint? Works on speakers...
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 32,926
    warren wrote: »
    Black paint? Works on speakers...

    Hard to source, though.
  • Emlyn
    Emlyn Posts: 4,346
    The choice may depend on the value of the property and neighborhood comp standards. May be a good idea to talk to a realtor for their opinion on whether the house would be easier to sell in your neighborhood with a tile floor. Some potential buyers in my area would be really turned off by a vinyl floor. Some wouldn't care because they'd just want to change it anyway. Most realtors seem to have a very negative view on the stick it together yourself laminate floors for kitchens and bathrooms and some will even suggest ripping it out before they'll market the property. All depends on local standards for similar properties though.
  • ken brydson
    ken brydson Posts: 8,640
    Laminate has come a long way these days. As a Realtor I'm in many homes weekly. I see it regularly in new construction semi high end homes. Vinyl is old school. JMPO ...
  • aprazer402
    aprazer402 Posts: 3,087
    edited August 2017
    I recently met with an ASID designer and two flooring specialist installers with over 35 years experience each. All said new vinyl flooring products have come a long way and new patterns thicknesses are coming out all the time. Laminate is not 100% waterproof. I've seen that over and over, on a weekly basis, especially in a kitchen, even if professionally installed. If a household has small children (18 or under) :) and/or pets I would never put laminate in a kitchen- possible to have unnoticed standing fluids, go with vinyl, ceramic tile or even polyurethane sealed hardwood. I've seen one melted ice cube, that got under a table and melted through a laminate seam, create a moisture buckle in/under the lam. floor. Ceramic is the most expensive due to the higher labor/installation cost/sf. As mrh noted, tile can be cold and hard. If hardwood floors are already throughout other rooms surrounding a kitchen many people want a little something different for a kitchen floor to break it up a bit. Unless the floor plan is very wide open continuing a HW floor into the kitchen would probably be best. Some high-end vinyl looks very good and very easy to maintain. JMHO. YMMV.
  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,481
  • aprazer402
    aprazer402 Posts: 3,087
    Remember the late 60's early 70's glued down rubber-backed carpet sold for kitchens. We've come a long way. Another "green" option is real Linoleum. It was making a comeback a few years ago. I haven't seen much of it used though. It requires professional installation and has a relatively limited number of colors and patterns.
  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 32,926
    Linoleum is very cool and trendy -- but also timeless. I like that idea :)
  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,481
    aprazer402 wrote: »
    Remember the late 60's early 70's glued down rubber-backed carpet sold for kitchens. We've come a long way. Another "green" option is real Linoleum. It was making a comeback a few years ago. I haven't seen much of it used though. It requires professional installation and has a relatively limited number of colors and patterns.

    That carpet was the nastiest of nasty. Removing it was easy the carpet came right off. That foam rubber stuff holy cow NASTY NASTY STUFF. After having carpet in a kitchen NEVER AGAIN after a few years the area around the stove could be considered an EPA superfund waste site. Any and all spatter just nasty.
  • mrbiron
    mrbiron Posts: 5,711
    Wood plank (or other faux material finish) VCT...we install a square mile of it on every job.
    Inexpensive, durable and easy to install. Trowel on glue, let tack, and install. Butt to baseboard and use a simple 1/4 round to clean up the edge. DIY'ers dream.

    The click flooring is nice but now you have to deal with transitions. The VCT is darn close to the thickness to the sheet vinyl.
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 7,952
    Laminate has come a long way these days. As a Realtor I'm in many homes weekly. I see it regularly in new construction semi high end homes. Vinyl is old school. JMPO ...

    We gutted and remodeled our kitchen three years ago. About 40k total (people ask us if we were on the hgtv show fixer upper lol). And we went with laminate because we had it before and it was very durable. And it can look pretty darn nice! We ordered ours online, and it was about $2500 for 900 square feet (about $1400 labor). So I would think you can go a LOT cheaper.

    Just please don't go vinyl. It'll look terrible In a year when you go to sell. And it's not that much cheaper...
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  • aprazer402
    aprazer402 Posts: 3,087
    I agree laminate has drastically improved in the past decade. Very few people have a 900 sf kitchen. Even allowing 10% for waste an 800 sf kitchen is still very large. I've appraised new homes with 7,500 sf above grade plus another 2,500 sf of finished basement and some of these may only have kitchens of 600-700 sf. 30' X 20' which is huge. I'm not including formal separate dining rooms. The luxury homes will usually have, in my area, oak w/maybe some cherry accent hardwood floor or expensive quarry stone tiles, possibly large imported ceramic tiles. The OP did not state the age, size or price range of his home. I was probably wrong in assuming the OP has a typical middle-upper class suburban residence where vinyl is still fairly common and acceptable. As long as it (vinyl of laminate) is modern and in perfect condition, it should not "effect" (there's that word again) resale value, unless it is uncommon for the local market. My recommendation to the OP is to talk to his neighbors, see what they have or have thoughts of doing. Several of us have offered suggestions also. Or call a Realtor for advice, we're always happy to talk or type on forums. :)
  • shawn474
    shawn474 Posts: 3,047
    Thanks for all the comments and advice. Really appreciate you all taking the time to respond. Can't do wood finishes as the kitchen joins our living room which is hard wood and matching would be an issue. The vinyl planks actually look nice so may consider those. The laminate is out - had that in our previous home and hated it. May try linoleum too! Thanks again
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 7,952
    How long ago was the laminate? This stuff changes rather quickly!
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  • gudnoyez
    gudnoyez Posts: 8,056
    http://www.congoleum.com/duraceramic/

    We did our kitchen floor with Duraceramic is to install and you can install it right on top of your old floor. My step Mom has a tile Store and it's her top seller. You can install it with or without a grout line, good stuff.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 32,926
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    How long ago was the laminate? This stuff changes rather quickly!

    are you suggesting that he ruminate on laminate?

    :/

    hoo-boy... I crack myself up sometimes.
  • Like every thing else laminate flooring comes in both high and low quality. The higher quality 5mm type is much better and unless it is in a small space it won't move around and won't squeak. If you like the look of hardwood you can get a hardwood laminate in a floating floor also for around the same price.
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  • muncybob
    muncybob Posts: 2,963
    We just installed Armstrong's equivalent to the Duraceramic. 16" tiles, fairly flexible. Did a thin grout line and it looks great. Imitates stone but doesn't seem as hard underfoot.
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  • Anything but laminated.
  • gudnoyez
    gudnoyez Posts: 8,056
    muncybob wrote: »
    We just installed Armstrong's equivalent to the Duraceramic. 16" tiles, fairly flexible. Did a thin grout line and it looks great. Imitates stone but doesn't seem as hard underfoot.

    Yep nice as well and they are warmer than cold ceramic tiles when it gets cooler in the winter Duraceramic or the Armstrong equivalent is the way to go.
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,776
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    How long ago was the laminate? This stuff changes rather quickly!

    are you suggesting that he ruminate on laminate?

    :/

    hoo-boy... I crack myself up sometimes.

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