Tweaks that didn't work

I thought this might be fun. We always try to ink out the most from our systems but sometimes it doesn't work. What are some things you guys have done that simply did not deliver?

For me, it was upgrading the power cord on my Shuguang monoblocks. I heard improvements on the pre but not on the monos. Not sure why it was, but I opted to keep stock power cords on those and spend money elsewhere. I've heard improvements on every other component since. Just a weird anomaly I guess.
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Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
Cabling: Wireworld
TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
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  • ..trying cheap super tweeters on my SDS 400's. It cancels out a bit of the dimensional effect.
    Studio 2 equipment;
    Yamaha a-s2100 Amp, CD-2100 CD player, T-S500 tuner
    Loudspeakers: Harbeth p3esr, Polk RT7
    Cables: Aural Harmony Sonnet Interconnect II, WireWorld Equinox 7 speaker,
    Black Cat silverstar 75 ohm digital, Signal Digital Power Cord, PS Audio Perfect Wave AC-3,
    Pangea SE14, Voltz supplied interconnects
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 39,798
    Mortite as a driver gasket.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,969
    F1nut wrote: »
    Mortite as a driver gasket.

    Heh, I used that on my mass-loaded TQWTs. It worked OK... but the Moretite's forever stained (for lack of a better word) the unfinished front baffles of the loudspeakers :/

    Derp.

    12289315386_cf252f4e11_b.jpgDSCN5289 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

    Didn't look too bad yet way back in 2008; now there's an "oil ring" around each driver :/
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  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 18,224
    edited August 2017
    Cable elevators, I would suspect. I could see their use on carpeted floors to reduce possible static electricity, but on tile or wood floors...meh. I use them now because I already have them, and they make me look cool.
    Transport: Oppo BDP-103/USB HDD | Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2L | Power Amp: Parasound Halo A21 | Speakers: PSB Imagine T2 | Cables: Signal Cable XLR; Kimber 8VS Bi-Wire; DH Labs D-75 | AC Power: Panamax M5300-PM
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,969
    ... not to be confused with elevator cables.

    ultrarope-in-elevator.jpg?itok=7nTtZSbh
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • gfonggfong Posts: 1,048
    1inch Boos maple butcher block under my Rega RP6... Took the life right out of the Exact cart. Could not get use to the sound so I gave the block to my daughter and she is still using it in her kitchen! So it did not go to waste! Haha
    2 Channel Setup: Unison Research Simply Italy Tube Amp, Klipsch La Scala speakers, Rega RP6 Union Jack Edition w/Exact Cart TT, REGA ARIA phono stage, Sony SCD-CE595 SACD, APC-H10.

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    Connections: Atlas Navigator All CU, Atlas Voyager All CU & Atlas Equator MK II interconnects, Audioquest sub-3 sub-woofer cable, MIT EXp 2 speaker cables, AudioQuest NRG-2 power cords, Sennheiser HD 598 Headphones.

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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 14,569
    Try Acacia or a softer wood instead.
    audiothesis.com/

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    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • daddyjtdaddyjt Posts: 619
    Anyone else remember the green magic marker on the edge of CDs in the 80's?
    Too much stuff to keep track of.

    Currently enjoying: Legacy Focus 20/20, McCormack DNA 225, Bill D C1, Oppo 105
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 10,020
    edited August 2017
    daddyjt wrote: »
    Anyone else remember the green magic marker on the edge of CDs in the 80's?

    Still got one and some CD's i applied it to.
    It was "the" extra the the dealer tossed in for buying my Sony ES CD player in 1990
  • I tried smoking banana peels one time...
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    Loudspeakers: Harbeth p3esr, Polk RT7
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    Black Cat silverstar 75 ohm digital, Signal Digital Power Cord, PS Audio Perfect Wave AC-3,
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  • muncybobmuncybob Posts: 1,820
    I bet they are hard to keep lit!
    Yep, my name really is Bob.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 29,207
    steveinaz wrote: »
    Cable elevators, I would suspect. I could see their use on carpeted floors to reduce possible static electricity, but on tile or wood floors...meh. I use them now because I already have them, and they make me look cool.

    I'll second that one. Even lifting the cables off carpet actually made the sound....worse, go figure. I'll stick with my original thoughts of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
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  • MrBuhlMrBuhl Posts: 2,300
    Blue Jeans LC-1 for a phono cable - ended up being very sibilant with my Yamaha for whatever reason. Gave it to my son and he uses it with a vintage Technics and no issues, go figure...
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    LA Pass Labs X150.5 Amp, Eastern Electric MiniMax Preamp, Polk LSIM705, Marantz DV8300 SACD, Audioengine B1, MIT AVt3 Speaker & RCA Cables, PS Audio Power Punch power cables

    Dodd Mid Level Preamp ("on the bench" w/Charlie)
    Polk SDA1c modded
    Polk CRS+ 4.1TL modded (need veneer)
    Soundcraftsmen PCR800
    Yamaha YP-D6
    Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's
    Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
    McCormack DNA-1 Power Drive Amp
    Eastern Electric Minimax CDP
    Infinity RS5b Speakers

  • stones89stones89 Posts: 223
    Ditto cable elevators, boo's maple boards, green CD marker, and lately Herbies giant feet under speakers.

    Basis 2200 Signature, Vector 4, Transfiguration Proteus, Allnic H3000, CJ ET5, McIntosh 501's, Thiel CS6, 3.6, MIT EVO, Wywires PC's
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,969
    daddyjt wrote: »
    Anyone else remember the green magic marker on the edge of CDs in the 80's?

    Yeah -- but I remember it from the 1990s.
    I still have a CD-R I burned of Patty Larkin which I green-penned. I labeled the disc "Green Pen Patty" -- with a green Sharpie*, of course.

    * Not a green Shar-Pei. That'd've been weird.
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 18,224
    edited August 2017
    I use to have one of those black disc you placed on top of the CD disc you were gonna play, which was suppose to creat some sort of magic. Problem was, you needed a cd drawer that was fairly deep for it to work. This was like mid-late 80's. I think it was suppose to "help" the laser by providing a dark background to the disc. I would imagine it's already pretty dark in the player, once the drawer is closed.
    Transport: Oppo BDP-103/USB HDD | Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2L | Power Amp: Parasound Halo A21 | Speakers: PSB Imagine T2 | Cables: Signal Cable XLR; Kimber 8VS Bi-Wire; DH Labs D-75 | AC Power: Panamax M5300-PM
  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 18,224
    Worst tweak ever (personally): Graphic equalizer. Any brand.

    LOL
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,969
    Like the "free energy" devices on the internet, there's a shred of semi-reasonableness to most of even the wackiest "tweaks" to make a semi-rational person think, "yeah, that could work -- let's get one and try it!" :/
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • stones89stones89 Posts: 223
    Anything for that 1 last percent!!! :# :#
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 14,569
    Another tweak I tried that didn't work was the little Ferrite-composite disks from a certain company offering free trial units a few years back. I remember several on the forum joining in as well. For me, it was a very negative effect. I still have them somewhere.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Pienza, Certaldo, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S15, RTA 15tl, RTi12; Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, Legato Unum, Legato Semis, Legato Duo; Emerald Physics CS-2.8; Klipsch KLF-20
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: BoX, Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 2,062
    edited August 2017
    Using too many tube dampers on the tubes in a piece of audio equipment. May work to reduce microphonics on a defective tube, but the real solution is to get a better tube! Especially with signal tubes, overdamping makes the sound output flat.
    1. Polk LSiM707, 704C, 703; Dual SVS SB2000 subwoofers; Marantz SR7011 receiver; Parasound A23 amp; Oppo 205; Toshiba HD-DVD Player; Sony 65" 4K TV; FIOS; PS Audio Power Plant Premier; MIT S2 cables
    2. JM Labs Electra 920.1; Parasound JC2 Preamp; Sonic Frontiers Power 2 amp; Sony HAP-Z1ES; Oppo 105D; Music Hall MMF7 and Acoustech phono pre; PS Audio P1000; MIT S1 Cables
    3. Polk LSiM703; Pioneer Elite SC97 receiver; Oppo 203; Squeezebox Touch; MIT S3 cables
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,969
    DSkip wrote: »
    Another tweak I tried that didn't work was the little Ferrite-composite disks from a certain company offering free trial units a few years back. I remember several on the forum joining in as well. For me, it was a very negative effect. I still have them somewhere.

    Interesting -- I tried 'em too (independently of you all) and felt as though, if they did anything, it was positive, so they're still ensconced. Heck, I even changed speaker cable & moved them to the new cables.

    ghs9u2i5ulc1.jpg

    (-- and, no, like most wacky hifi tweaks, there's no reasonable reason to expect 'em to do anything, good or bad... but, then again, they were free to try; the bar was pretty low!)

    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,969
    edited August 2017
    PS -- I can't find my "amplifier" foot hockey pucks!?! It sucks to get old...
    :/
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 23,730
    You know, I can't think of any. For me tweaks have a cumulative effect and I haven't been one to do one at a time. I usually will do a few or more at a time. I also haven't done a lot of tweaks recently so my memory of what didn't (doesn't work) is a bit foggy.

    I am also one to try tried and true tweaks and don't experiment too much so all of the tweaks I can think of have been pretty successful, or at the least not detrimental.

    Probably should define tweaks also. I have tweaked many things by upgrading parts. Not sure if that is the "true" definition of a "tweak".

    Good topic

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 2,062
    I would consider any minor parts swaps as being a tweak also. For example, replacing the cheap stock fuse in a piece of high end gear is supposed to have some benefits. I have not tried that myself, but I haven't seen someone who did it be disappointed.

    I would consider modifying the crossovers in a speaker to be a minor to major upgrade rather than a tweak.
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    2. JM Labs Electra 920.1; Parasound JC2 Preamp; Sonic Frontiers Power 2 amp; Sony HAP-Z1ES; Oppo 105D; Music Hall MMF7 and Acoustech phono pre; PS Audio P1000; MIT S1 Cables
    3. Polk LSiM703; Pioneer Elite SC97 receiver; Oppo 203; Squeezebox Touch; MIT S3 cables
  • voltzvoltz Posts: 4,945
    Changing into a clean pair of socks! - I thought it would help clean up the sound but no luck.td2mcydziqzh.jpg

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  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 9,549
    Black socks have a better mids control without shaving off the highs. YMMV of course.
  • Moose68BashMoose68Bash Posts: 3,525
    edited August 2017
    This is a good topic -- but I see it heading south!

    Like @heiney9, I have tried mostly, if not only, tried-and-true tweaks and mods that others have suggested on this Forum. And, I have a bad habit of doing more than one thing at a time, which makes isolating success and failure of any one "tweak" difficult.

    I'll keep thinking about it.
    Post edited by Moose68Bash on
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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 9,659
    lightman1 wrote: »
    Black socks have a better mids control without shaving off the highs. YMMV of course.

    No No...common since

    Black sox produce blacker back ground,,,pffft,
    buy them books and all they do is burn them
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