The search for the perfect listening chair is over...

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  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 12,513
    edited July 2017
    I currently have my mains pointed slightly up at (I would estimate) inbetween a 2-3 degree angle. The mid and top end of the Tyler's are an MTM setup and according to the laser, the tweeter flies by my ears to the outside of each ear about 2-3" and up about the same, maybe slightly less.

    Here is a stock photo of the mains, for those who may not be familiar with them -

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    If you were to look at the speakers in the listening position, the above illustration "kinda" illustrates where my ears are at (my ears being the "-") with the angle of the speakers. They fall right below the tweeter but slightly above the lower mid-range driver within the MTM setup. The center of the subs falls exactly at this same height and both of the sub's woofers (not the 4 woofers doing the lower octaves in the mains) are pointed directly at me.

    All of this combined offers me sound pressure and an impact that not only hits you in the chest but you can feel it travel through your core....and it happens so fast, it's gone as quick as it comes. This is great for "presence" IMO. I didn't like it when the subs were on the floor and the speakers were not angled up. Just didn't sound right. Where I have it now nails it.

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction.
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 10,163
    I used to have a cloth recliner where my leather chair now is. While comfortable I found that it tended to absorb some sound, and reclining I was to low below the tweeter for best sound. These speakers seem to be best when the ear is at the bottom of the tweeter, and the top of the midrange. Now with the leather chair when the music gets serious I put the stool behind the chair, and sit upright.
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 9,900
    I've heard those Tylers before the hot rod mod and they were very accurate without being surgically precise.
    I can only imagine what they sound like now.

    And......I get to nap in that chair when I get to your house.....
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 12,513
    BlueFox wrote: »
    These speakers seem to be best when the ear is at the bottom of the tweeter, and the top of the midrange. Now with the leather chair when the music gets serious I put the stool behind the chair, and sit upright.
    Sounds like we have similar tastes in where the tweeter should lie with regards to beaming past the ears for optimum sound. What you mention is exactly why I didn't want an ottoman. They simply mess with the sound too much IME.

    When I put my legs up with this chair, for some reason, the sound isn't affected too much. All the way up, yes but half way to 3/4 of the way up, there is no discernible difference, so I can get as comfortable as I want.

    You did get my curiosity going though Bud. If you have to sit up for optimum sound, have you ever experimented with tilting the speakers slightly down, so you didn't have to sit up "all rigid like" just to enjoy your rig at its finest?

    Tom

    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction.
  • warrenwarren Posts: 619
    edited July 3
    what, it's tobacco not chocolate.. tomatoe, tomato..
    Post edited by KennethSwauger on
    Some final words,
    "If you keep banging your head against the wall,
    you're going to have headaches."
    Warren
  • warrenwarren Posts: 619
    What do you guys use for a listening chair? Similar to yours, mines suade (the pretend stuff) been through the leather, looks nice and rich to me it's slippery and hot..
    Some final words,
    "If you keep banging your head against the wall,
    you're going to have headaches."
    Warren
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 10,163
    treitz3 wrote: »
    If you have to sit up for optimum sound, have you ever experimented with tilting the speakers slightly down, so you didn't have to sit up "all rigid like" just to enjoy your rig at its finest?

    No on trying the tilt. However, I suspect all I need to do is adjust the front/rear spikes to achieve that. I don't mind sitting up though. I am not as rigid as you think, at least for listening. We are talking just a minor difference, and I don't need perfection to enjoy the stereo. :)

    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 12,513
    edited July 2017
    That's all I did to adjust for tilt. The rear spikes are all of the way in and I adjusted the fronts to where they were both dialed in at the correct height.

    Tom
    Post edited by treitz3 on
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction.
  • GospelTruthGospelTruth Posts: 318
    I've read a lot of threads here over the years and don't post a ton. However, with all the personalities chiming in, this has been a good, enlightening and humorous read. Here's my comments...
    treitz3 wrote: »
    It's a Lane "Eureka" power recliner and the color escapes me at the moment. The power function is whisper quiet and I detected no noise at all when reclining while in the store. This may change at home in a quieter atmosphere but it is quiet enough to where I do not think this will be a problem.
    Tom
    Tom, glad you found a good chair to enjoy the tunes in. However, to get the best out of that chair, you might consider upgrading the power cord and/or putting a power conditioner in the mix. Might make the sounds that much better and bring the noise threshold even lower. ;)
    F1nut wrote: »
    Whew, I'm back....had to take some Dramamine.
    That made me laugh... in regard to the following...
    BlueFox wrote: »
    At the moment, this chair.
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    And Bluefox....

    There are so many things I want to say on with regard to those pictures. First and foremost, nice setup. Second, I can appreciate not liking plain white and boring - a little more color than I'm used to but everyone has their own likes. Here are my additional observations...

    1. Why the medicine ball next to the chair? Is that a workout/listening chair? Keeping those biceps in shape for the 12 oz. curls? I see the beer bottle there, so just wondering if there's a correlation.
    2. Love the light dimming corrugated you used to tone down the brightness on the amps.
    3. Makes me want to read the Bluefox kinda Friday night thread again with a new perspective. Brings a new visual to comments like the one below... was it the gear or the room?
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Currently, on beer four, I just finished Marilyn Manson, Born Villian, and now am listening to The Pale Emperor. Next Friday I plan to listen to Anti-Christ Superstar and Mechanical Animals. I'm surprised that I have developed a taste for Mr Manson. I guess when I listened in the past my gear wasn't up to his standards. :)

    All in good fun. Carry on.


    Speakers
    Energy RC-70 Mains, Energy RC-LRC Center, Energy RC-R (x4) Rear Channels, Energy RC-R (x2) Front Effects
    Polk 5jr+
    Polk SDA 2B
    Polk SDS 3.1TL

    Equipment
    Panamax 5510 Re-generator Power Conditioner
    Yamaha RX-V3800 Receiver
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  • DerfDerf Posts: 180
    BlueFox wrote: »
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    Jonas Gerard painting--cool. Where and when did you pick that up?
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  • ambiophonicsambiophonics Posts: 651
    My listening space improved considerably when I removed the leather sectional from the room. Too many reflections caused by leather. The discerning audiophile prefers cloth.
    2 Channel - Polk SDA-2BTL full upgrades, Carver TFM-35, Peachtree iDAC, Chromecast Audio (optical), Bugle II phono pre, Technics SL-1500 w/ M97XE
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 10,163
    Derf wrote: »
    Jonas Gerard painting--cool. Where and when did you pick that up?

    https://www.allmodern.com/

    Same with the rug, other rugs, and other pictures.

    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • Airplay355Airplay355 Posts: 4,258
    Nobody ever listens with a friend? My wife likes listening with me so we've got a couch. Listening chairs won't do.

    I only recently discovered she enjoyed It like me. Feels like winning the lottery haha
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 12,513
    Nope, I am usually a one man band in the room and I am perfectly fine with that......actually prefer it that way. The wife doesn't like to sit in the sweet spot like I do. She will when she really wants to experience something but in general, she listens to the rig while doing things around the house.

    Even when we had a couch in the LR at the old townhouse (this is where the rig was located at that pad), we would move the couch and put a chair in it's place. The couch messed with the sound too much for critical listening.

    When guests come over to listen, they get the sweet spot. I get to enjoy the rig every day. They only get to enjoy it while they are here.

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction.
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 12,513
    My listening space improved considerably when I removed the leather sectional from the room. Too many reflections caused by leather. The discerning audiophile prefers cloth.

    In my experience, it's the couch that absorbs or reflects too much of the image/frequencies. Not so much the material. Same thing with a stand that's in between the speaker. When I went from a wood stand that had sidewalls to a stand that had none, it opened up the sound stage.

    Given my latest discovery (talked about in this thread), I think it may have less to do with material and more to do with size, height and location.

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction.
  • mikeyb128mikeyb128 Posts: 2,750
    I have two lazy boys in my room, a 2 seater that reclines with cup holders off to one side, and a three seater with recliners, the sweet spot is in the middle couch Position.

    I have a pool table in the basement with a small bar. I mostly listen alone, but every once in a while the basement is full of friends, playing pool. My couch is leather, but the room is fully treated with bass traps and refection points. Back wall is full of absorption.
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    Theater:
    Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables.

  • Mr_HzMr_Hz Posts: 150
    edited July 2017
    I'll take another angle on comfy chairs... from the Motorsports perspective.

    Among my many hobbies, I'm also an auto enthusiast - an Alfista (Alfa Romeo enthusiast) to be exact. Over the years I've taken many a sporting Alfa Romeo to the local track for NW Alfa Romeo sponsored track events. Well... one time I decided to take my 1995 164LS sedan to the track... this is best described as an 'executive saloon' - almost a sports sedan, but a bit bigger and more highway cruiser than sharp canyon carver. I was going around the road course with an instructor/friend, and we were joking how it was driving around while sitting on a couch or leisure chair, and thus the following 'racing team' was born....
    2.3TL's - Living Room
    CRS+'s (4.1 TL's) - Office
    SDA1C's - Famdamly Rm
    SDA1C's - Master Bedroom
  • Mr_HzMr_Hz Posts: 150
    edited July 2017
    OK, I'll add my 2cents on a comfy chair, but it comes from the motorsports perspective, not audio listening...

    One of my other hobbies is cars/motorsports - I'm a long suffering 'Alfista' - Alfa Romeo enthusiast, having owned/traded/parted and set fire (long story there) to more than 15 Alfas over the past 20 years. I've taken many a sporting Alfa to the track for club sponsored track days or driving schools. Once, instead of taking one of my more agile cars, I took my 1995 164LS sedan, which is best described as an 'executive saloon' - a competent highway cruiser, no where near a canyon carver. As I was 'deftly' managing the coned course with an instructor friend, wafting from apex to the next, we started joking how it was almost like driving from a couch or leisure chair, such was the detached, surreal experience. Thus the following 'racing team' was born...cgw4k9dki0kp.gif
    2.3TL's - Living Room
    CRS+'s (4.1 TL's) - Office
    SDA1C's - Famdamly Rm
    SDA1C's - Master Bedroom
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 10,163
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • machonemachone Posts: 1,017
    Cool looking chair!
    They claim the headrest is designed to better reflect sound around the ears.
    I am not sure this is a good thing?
    I would love to try one and see.
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  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 5,559
    A bit of a revival here but a new recliner was on my mind since I first saw this thread...Very comfy and electronically powered ... HAS AC and BATTERY

    By Natuzzi... Soft leather that Ricardo Montalban would endorse.. Perfect for listening or movies or reading.... It has me up about 3" higher and is easier on my knees to get out of...

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    Office Bluesound Node2 | Polk SDA SRS 2.3 | Marantz 2385 |

    Bedroom Peactree Nova 125SE | Focal 905's | Bluesound Node | SVS SB2000 Sub

    Garage Yamaha R-N303BL | Polk Monitor 5B's

    Closet Yamaha M80 | 2 Polk MP2K subs| Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's |
  • verbverb Posts: 3,670
    Thanks for reviving this thread! Nice chair! I never had a listening chair per se, but you got me thinking. :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, VTL 2.5 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Cambridge CD transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 6,275
    edited July 3
    I had one of these originals for years. And why I gave it away as a gift is something I've been regretting for a long time. It's value back then was about 750.00.

    Yes, I had the foot rest to match. :'(
    https://www.houzz.com/product/91248492-eames-lounge-chair-and-ottoman-by-herman-miller-walnut-color-indigo-open-line-midcentury-armchairs-and-accent-chairs?redirect=-1&m_refid=Bing_PLA_HZ_91248492&msclkid=a0930c8695a4165e041157bd76a8f6a3
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • verbverb Posts: 3,670
    My listening chair, for now. :smile:
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    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Micro Seiki MB14 TT, VTL 2.5 Pre, Marantz CD6006 CDP, Conrad Johnson MF2300A Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, AQ Diamondback (version 1) RCA IC's, MIT Terminator2 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, Cambridge CD transport, Marantz AMP-1, Acoustic Technologies Classic Speakers, Polk PSWi225 wireless sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable
    Spare Room: Dayens Ampino Integrated, Auris BluMe, Polk TSi200's
    Living Room: Pioneer SX-N30 Network Receiver, Pioneer PD10AE CD Player, Furman M8-LX Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi Subwoofer
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 3,493
    Tony M wrote: »
    I had one of these originals for years. And why I gave it away as a gift is something I've been regretting for a long time. It's value back then was about 750.00.

    Yes, I had the foot rest to match. :'(
    https://www.houzz.com/product/91248492-eames-lounge-chair-and-ottoman-by-herman-miller-walnut-color-indigo-open-line-midcentury-armchairs-and-accent-chairs?redirect=-1&m_refid=Bing_PLA_HZ_91248492&msclkid=a0930c8695a4165e041157bd76a8f6a3

    I have one of those!

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 19,354
    edited July 3
    So, I don't know anything about this thread, really, but it reminded me of this old Far Side cartoon.

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  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 3,192
    these were all the rage in the 80's at the highend audio stores, I had two in my listening room.
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    Amplifiers: MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800, Usher R1.5
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Transport/Dac: Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra
    Speaker Cables: Analysis Plus Black Mesh Oval 9, Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Interconnects: Analysis Plus Copper Oval-In Micro, MG Audio Design Planus Cu2,
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  • Tony MTony M Posts: 6,275
    edited July 3
    I think I sat it one of those folding "captains" chairs when I auditioned some Bang & Olufson skinny towers in a high end shop in Alexandria Va. a very long time ago.
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • Mikey081057Mikey081057 Posts: 5,559
    "Directors" chairs TonyM

    Captain's chairs were the ones they put in the vans IIRC

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    HT:Polk LSiM 706 LSiM 705's VR3 LSiM 703's LSiM 702's| Marantz AV7702 | Sunfire TGA-7401 | Oppo BDP-103D | Sony PS4 | Directv Genie HD DVR | Samsung 64" Plasma | SVS PB13 Ultra | MIT EXP 2's (Fronts & Center)

    ManCave: Parasound Halo A21 | Parsound Halo A52+ | Marantz AV7004 AV PrePro | Usher Dancer Mini-x DMD's | Usher BE-616 Center | SVS Ultra Surrounds | SVS SB4000 Sub |Oppo UDP 203 | MIT Shotgun S3's | Marantz SA8004 SACD | Music Hall MMF 5.3se TT w/ Soundsmith Carmen | Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ | HP Elite Slice PC | Samsung 50" SUHD TV | Sony PS4 Pro

    Patio Polk Atrium 8's |Marantz 2252B |

    Office Bluesound Node2 | Polk SDA SRS 2.3 | Marantz 2385 |

    Bedroom Peactree Nova 125SE | Focal 905's | Bluesound Node | SVS SB2000 Sub

    Garage Yamaha R-N303BL | Polk Monitor 5B's

    Closet Yamaha M80 | 2 Polk MP2K subs| Yaqin MC100B with Shuguang Treasures KT 88's & CV181Z's | Tesla E83CC's |
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 6,275
    edited July 3
    DUH...You're right. ;) :)

    I'm really sick and foggy! :s :'(
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
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