new system - vocals a bit subdued............. (ideas)

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  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,627
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    Is anyone reading WHAT the OP is saying?

    He said several posts up:

    "Did a sound test today. Same amp, same cables, same speakers..... The Rega C.D. player has more top end, and more information than the PrimaLuna C.D. player."

    He is saying one CD player sounds Different than the OTHER CD player.
    One variable.

  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,132
    edited June 2017
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    K_M wrote: »
    Is anyone reading WHAT the OP is saying?

    He said several posts up:

    "Did a sound test today. Same amp, same cables, same speakers..... The Rega C.D. player has more top end, and more information than the PrimaLuna C.D. player."

    He is saying one CD player sounds Different than the OTHER CD player.
    One variable.

    Jeez K_M,
    We read that. Several of us "actually had experiences" with Paradigms which typically are not a laid back speaker, and that's what we are trying to figure out.

    Do you have "experience" with Paradigms? If so please give your input instead of policing comments.
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  • jolson72
    jolson72 Posts: 46
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    So I am the original poster. Like I said, I switched C.D. players, and there does seem to be better highs with the Rega C.D. player. I have tried a few different cables as well. A pair of Kimber PBJ cables are more bright than a pair of Rega and Siltech cables I have.

    I am settling into the sound and getting things set up better.

    Might try putting the speakers a bit closer together today as well. Thanks again for all the responses.
  • kharp1
    kharp1 Posts: 3,453
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    K_M wrote: »
    Is anyone reading WHAT the OP is saying?

    He said several posts up:

    "Did a sound test today. Same amp, same cables, same speakers..... The Rega C.D. player has more top end, and more information than the PrimaLuna C.D. player."

    He is saying one CD player sounds Different than the OTHER CD player.
    One variable.

    Yes sir, I did read and I gathered that he changed out his ENTIRE system and two of the new pieces are tube gear. Most people realize that system compatibility is very important. He did say that after switching out CD players he did notice that one was a bit more flat in the high end as compared to the other. Tubes play a critical role in sound with many tubes being noted as "rolled off in the upper registers" which is why I, as well as a couple of others, suggested rolling tubes to see what happens. I had a similar situation recently when I purchased a ore owned tube pre. During shipping the tubes, which were original and getting older, finally ceased to perform properly. Retubing brought everything to where it should be and gave me a piece that I doubt I'll ever part with. That same piece rendered another piece...a highly regarded and sought after amp...useless in that they did not match.

    We were listening. or reading in this instance, and offering our knowledge. If it doesn't suit you that's OK, but, don't get bent out of shape because we offered suggestions.
  • jolson72
    jolson72 Posts: 46
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    what exactly does tube rolling mean? moving the tubes down the chain, or simply replacing the tubes?
  • kharp1
    kharp1 Posts: 3,453
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    Tube rolling is a term used for replacing tubes with different brands, or compatible type, to achieve a different sound. Some are known to be more holographic, some really deep and tight on the bass, others more pronounced in the highs, or, rolled off in the upper registers, and some are known for their sweet midrsnge. You'll notice substantial differences between some brands and more subtle differences between others. NOS, or New Old Stock, often sounds different, and better, to many tube fans. NOS is a term for older tubes that are no longer made yet still available for purchase as "new" because there were so many made back in the day. Some from the 40's and 50's.

    There are others her far more knowledgeable on tubes than I sm. The fun is trying them and hearing how they sound in your system until the day you put a set in and go "WOW"!
  • jolson72
    jolson72 Posts: 46
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    Interesting. Tubes are somewhat expensive, though, I'd imagine..... I'd think it'd be expensive to start buying swapping / etc.
  • codycatalist
    codycatalist Posts: 2,662
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    If you are using the "Classic" Version of the PrimaLuna these tubes shouldn't be too hard to replace or very expensive (depending on the tube)

    2 - 12AX7
    2 - 12AU7
    2 - 5AR4
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  • marvda1
    marvda1 Posts: 4,871
    edited July 2017
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    find out which two tubes make the biggest difference in sound when changed, the 12ax7's or 12au7's, less expensive that way. also a power tube change will effect the sound.
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