Sunfire Cinema Grand 5 x 200 or Parasound 5250 v2 for HT

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  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 1,658
    Whatever you do F1 don't start squealing now!

    lol
    You're mixing up Cool Hand Luke and Deliverance. Both in my top ten, btw.
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 39,622
    Whatever you do F1 don't start squealing now!

    lol

    You can't even get the movie correct.
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  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Posts: 1,596
    edited June 2017
    Hermitism wrote: »
    Whatever you do F1 don't start squealing now!

    lol
    You're mixing up Cool Hand Luke and Deliverance. Both in my top ten, btw.

    Yeah you're right! lol

    Thanks for clearing it up. They are both top tens in my book too.

    Alright F1, don't eat all those eggs!!
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 9,956
    LOL. Just as with politics, some people just make things up, and then try to pass it off as fact. Still awaiting the real world data to compare to the industry data. Then again, since the industry is in the real world, I'm not sure just what real world data actually is. :)
    Bud - Silicon Valley

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  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Posts: 1,596
    edited June 2017
    Maybe you can write it all up in one of your "engineering reports" on Monday.

    lol
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    (Signature Reference Theater)

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    SRT 10.2 SYSTEM
    (4) SRT Subs & Satellites
    (2) SRT Center Speakers
    (2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
    (4) f/x1000 Surrounds
    (2) PSW650 Subs
    Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
    Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
    Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
    Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
  • halenhalen Posts: 323
    BlueFox wrote: »
    LOL. Just as with politics, some people just make things up, and then try to pass it off as fact. Still awaiting the real world data to compare to the industry data. Then again, since the industry is in the real world, I'm not sure just what real world data actually is. :)

    Bud,

    I am offended that you do not take marketing brochures as law and present real world, factual benchmarks.

    I think you are just jealous an AVR pumps out 1400 mega watts... more than your Pass Labs. Pioneer said so. Hahaha.

    Wowza.

    Cheers my friend.
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 9,956
    Just as I thought. No data to support your opinion. That's fine, but doesn't help your credibility.
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Posts: 1,596
    edited June 2017
    Why don't you manufacture some for me?

    Better yet... how 'bout you "engineer" some for me?

    lol
    POLK AUDIO SRT
    (Signature Reference Theater)

    2rqdrna.jpg s6k686.jpg 11rgneu.jpg
    SRT 10.2 SYSTEM
    (4) SRT Subs & Satellites
    (2) SRT Center Speakers
    (2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
    (4) f/x1000 Surrounds
    (2) PSW650 Subs
    Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
    Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
    Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
    Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 9,844
    Fwiw my facts came from an old sunfire link. I had the choice of 17" model or 19" model. Not knowing i just went with 17". I do not think it would of made a difference in spec's. So the model was the old model with the joule window once again i do not not know if it is the same model the op was looking at. Regardless it's been sold and out if the running and the op has switched gears for now.....
    Jeesh

    Off to fix my a stiff gin and tonic
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 9,956
    Why don't you manufacture some for me?

    lol

    That makes no sense. Typical though. Anyway, I have posted real data to support my point, so until something sane and relevant is posted I am moving on. There is music to listen to, along with beer to drink, tonight.

    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Posts: 1,596
    edited June 2017
    pitdogg2 wrote: »

    Off to fix my a stiff gin and tonic

    Can I have one!

    I need one after being roughed up by this crowd!

    Whew!!
    POLK AUDIO SRT
    (Signature Reference Theater)

    2rqdrna.jpg s6k686.jpg 11rgneu.jpg
    SRT 10.2 SYSTEM
    (4) SRT Subs & Satellites
    (2) SRT Center Speakers
    (2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
    (4) f/x1000 Surrounds
    (2) PSW650 Subs
    Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
    Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
    Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
    Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 9,844
    pitdogg2 wrote: »

    Off to fix my a stiff gin and tonic

    Can I have one!

    I need one after being roughed up by this crowd!

    Whew!!

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    Fix your own
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Posts: 1,596
    Man with that I sure would!
    POLK AUDIO SRT
    (Signature Reference Theater)

    2rqdrna.jpg s6k686.jpg 11rgneu.jpg
    SRT 10.2 SYSTEM
    (4) SRT Subs & Satellites
    (2) SRT Center Speakers
    (2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
    (4) f/x1000 Surrounds
    (2) PSW650 Subs
    Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
    Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
    Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
    Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 9,844
    Best gin i ever had beat Tanqueray and Bombay by a large margin. I'll stoop once in a while and have a Tanqueray rangpur lime.
  • PSOVLSKPSOVLSK Posts: 3,655
    Specs aside, I just can't imagine the Pio would be as good as the Sunfire. That being said, the Pio I was using was NOT a top of the line, so...maybe.
    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden
  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 7,457
    Gin tastes like pine needles. Rather, what I think pine needles taste like anyway.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 9,956
    edited June 2017
    I need one after being roughed up by this crowd!

    My apologies for contributing to that feeling. I wasn't trying to be a bad person, rather I was trying to be accurate. That is just my personality, and while it perfectly messes with my engineering job, it conflicts with people, which, obviously, results in a misunderstanding.

    If someone were to offer me a choice between the Pioneer or the Sunfire then I would jump on the Pioneer. Not because the amp specs aren't better than the Sunfire, but because it is nearly equal in that area, and has beaucoup features.
    Post edited by KennethSwauger on
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 9,956
    edited June 2017
    Protest:

    Ken edited my post. I did not ask for that, nor was it necessary. Please remove my censored post.

    For posterity.

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    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • nbrowsernbrowser Posts: 7,914
    F1nut wrote: »
    Something doesn't add up with those Pioneer specs. It states the max power consumption is 550 watts. My 2 channel amp is rated at 510 wpc @ 8 Ohms with a max power consumption of 1960 watts.

    My 2 channel amp makes lights dance when pushed and makes things ultra flicker on power up...nice current draw at turn on! :)
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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 9,956
    BlueFox wrote: »
    I need one after being roughed up by this crowd!
    I wasn't trying to be a bad person, rather I was trying to be accurate.

    This should read:
    I wasn't trying to be annoying, rather I was trying to be accurate.

    The original post was:
    I wasn't trying to be a <Richard>, rather I was trying to be accurate.

    In what universe is "bad person" synonymous with <Richard>?

    LOL



    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • PSOVLSKPSOVLSK Posts: 3,655
    New Polk Rule: If you think someone is being a <Richard> just call them a "bad person." :D :D :p



    You know, like someone is probably going to do to me regarding this post ;)
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 17,574
    My favorite color is maroon
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  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 7,457
    edited June 2017
    My favorite color is maroon

    Is your house filled with many leather bound books and smell of rich mahogany?
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 17,574
    Nightfall wrote: »
    My favorite color is maroon

    Is your house filled with many leather bound books and smell of rich mahogany?

    Wrapped in the finest Corinthian leather...
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with PS Audio NuWave Phono converter, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Stradivari v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X1 two channel preamplifier Signed by Poppa himself, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 525a CD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-65, Oppo UDP-205 Blu-ray , Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds

  • jayman_1975jayman_1975 Posts: 643
    So where does damping factor fit in to all of this? How come the pioneer doesn't have that spec on their list?
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 9,844
    I myself have never seen that spec given for a receiver. That being said I have heard HIGH dampening factor amps that sounded like crap to my ears and heard LOW dampening factor amps that did not. How well an amp controls the drivers is important but I believe there are other factors also in play as well.
  • sgmsmgsgmsmg Posts: 292
    Still debating a 5 channel amp for my HT setup. Anyone have experience with both a Parasound A51 and a Sunfire TGA 5400/7400/7401. I only need 5 channels but the 7 channel Sunfire amps are more commonly for sale. This would be used to drive 4 x LSIM 703s and a 706.

    The Sunfire takes up less rack space and runs cooler but I wonder how they compare sonically.

    Any feedback would be appreciated. I might ultimately upgrade my fronts to LSIM 705's so I definitely want plenty of power.
    2 Channel
    Pre:Bryston BP173
    Amp:Bryston 4B3
    Speakers: Golden Ear Triton One
    Source: Oppo UDP-205, Mac Mini, Bryston BDA-3, Bryston BDP-3
    Cables: Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 Speaker, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 XLR, AQ Diamond USB/HDMI
    Power: PS Audio P10 Regenerator, AC12, AC10 and AC5 Cables
    Display: Panasonic TC-P65ZT60

    Home Theater
    Reciever: Yamaha CX-A5100
    Amp: Parasound A21, A31, A51
    Speakers: Polk LSiM 703 (FL, FR, RL, RR), Polk LSiM706 (Center), Polk 900-LS (Atmos)
    Subwoofers: SVS SB13 x 4 +DSPeaker Anti-Mode Dual Core
    Source: Oppo UDP-205, Apple TV, Amazon Fire
    Cables: AQ Rocket 88, Pangea SE XLR
    Power: PS Audio P5 Regenerator, Furman IT Reference 15i, Pangea AC14SE and AC9SE Cables
    Display: Sony XBR75X940D
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 17,574
    edited September 2017
    The Sunfire is more than up to the task. I have heard the amps in question in a side by side, and to me, it was very close, but the Sunfire had a bit more control to the bottom end, and is more flexible in how it can be used. The two channels not being used can be reassigned and used to bi-amp your mains.
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with PS Audio NuWave Phono converter, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Stradivari v2 cartridge and Origin Conquerer Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X1 two channel preamplifier Signed by Poppa himself, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Krell Evolution 525a CD Player, Pioneer Elite SC-65, Oppo UDP-205 Blu-ray , Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB700/800 "in-wall" surrounds

  • sgmsmgsgmsmg Posts: 292
    The Sunfire is more than up to the task. I have heard the amps in question in a side by side, and to me, it was very close, but the Sunfire had a bit more control to the bottom end, and is more flexible in how it can be used. The two channels not being used can be reassigned and used to bi-amp your mains.

    I think for size and heat the Sunfire is definitely the better choice for my application. Good to hear they sound good as well!
    2 Channel
    Pre:Bryston BP173
    Amp:Bryston 4B3
    Speakers: Golden Ear Triton One
    Source: Oppo UDP-205, Mac Mini, Bryston BDA-3, Bryston BDP-3
    Cables: Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 Speaker, Wireworld Silver Eclipse 7 XLR, AQ Diamond USB/HDMI
    Power: PS Audio P10 Regenerator, AC12, AC10 and AC5 Cables
    Display: Panasonic TC-P65ZT60

    Home Theater
    Reciever: Yamaha CX-A5100
    Amp: Parasound A21, A31, A51
    Speakers: Polk LSiM 703 (FL, FR, RL, RR), Polk LSiM706 (Center), Polk 900-LS (Atmos)
    Subwoofers: SVS SB13 x 4 +DSPeaker Anti-Mode Dual Core
    Source: Oppo UDP-205, Apple TV, Amazon Fire
    Cables: AQ Rocket 88, Pangea SE XLR
    Power: PS Audio P5 Regenerator, Furman IT Reference 15i, Pangea AC14SE and AC9SE Cables
    Display: Sony XBR75X940D
  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 12,911
    I love my Sunfire. It was the only 5 channel amp being built at the time, that I could physically lift at 40lbs, no heat even when pushed hard, and gobs of power. Go for it!
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