Sunfire Cinema Grand 5 x 200 or Parasound 5250 v2 for HT

sgmsmgsgmsmg Posts: 225
Has anyone had any experience with one or both of these amps? I am considering retiring my Pioneer Elite SC-09TX that I have been using as an amp to drive my Polk LSim 703 x4 / 706c HT setup. Some options I was considering are the Sunfire Cinema Grand 5 x 200 or Parasound 5250 v2. Room is about 16' x20'. These would be used primarily for home theater/ casual listening.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
2 Channel
Pre:Parasound JC2BP
Amp:Parasound A21
Speakers: Golden Ear Triton Ones
Source: Oppo 103D, Mac Mini, Bryston BDA-3
Cables: AQ Castlerock Speaker, AQ Columbia XLR/RCA, AQ Diamond USB
Power: PS Audio P10 Regenerator, AC12, AC10 and AC5 Cables
Display: Panasonic TC-P65ZT60

Home Theater
Reciever: Pioneer Elite SC-99
Amp: Pioneer Elite SC-09TX
Speakers: Polk LSiM 703 (Fl, FR, RL, RR), Polk LSiM706 (Center), Polk 900-LS (Atmos)
Subwoofers: SVS SB13 x 3
Source: Oppo UDP-205, Apple TV, Amazon Fire
Power: PS Audio P5 Regenerator, Furman IT Reference 15i, Pangea AC14SE and AC9SE Cables
Display: Sony XBR75X940D
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 27,819
    Either one is a good choice, flip a coin. lol
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  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 4,198
    Personally, it would depend on the age of either.

    If approximately the same age, the Sunfire.
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  • jumpindickjumpindick Posts: 176
    +1 to sunfire
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,651
    @psovlsk has had both at the same time.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: P3ESR, 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Dayens Ampino, Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 16,605
    the 5/200 Sunfire does not sound very good to my ears. Parasound would be my choice, unless you get the Sunfire 7/400 or 5/400
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  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Posts: 1,596
    edited June 15
    I looked at both of them and didn't think either was any kind of upgrade over what you already have with the SC-09TX. I think you might be disappointed.

    I have the same high-end AVR and am looking for something that will make a noticeable improvement.

    Here are the advertised specs for each:

    Parasound 5250 5-Channel Power Amplifier Specifications
    Specifications
    Rated max power: 250 watts x 5 (8 ohms, 20Hz–20kHz)
    Max THD: 0.025%
    Original Mfg. Suggested Retail Price: $2,500

    Sunfire Cinema Grand 5 x 200
    Specifications
    Rated max power: 200 watts x 5 (8 ohms, 20Hz–20kHz)
    Max THD: 0.5%
    Original Mfg. Suggested Retail Price: $2,375

    Pioneer Elite SC-09TX
    Specifications
    Rated max power: 140 watts x 10 (8 ohms, 20Hz–20kHz)
    Max THD: 0.05%

    200 watts x 7 (8 ohms, 20Hz–20kHz)
    Max THD: 0.05%

    (When Set to 5.1 Bi-Amp Mode): 280 watts x 5 (8 ohms, 20Hz–20kHz)
    Max THD: 0.05%

    Original Mfg. Suggested Retail Price: $7,000

    If I had to go with either of the two amplifiers I'd probably lean towards the Parasound but I don't see it as being any kind of major upgrade over what you already have now.

    I'm looking for one with at least more power and similar specs, not one with less power and similar (or worse) specs.

    I do realize that there is more to it than just advertised specs but they are a benchmark that can help point in the right direction.
    POLK AUDIO SRT
    (Signature Reference Theater)

    2rqdrna.jpg s6k686.jpg 11rgneu.jpg
    SRT 10.2 SYSTEM
    (4) SRT Subs & Satellites
    (2) SRT Center Speakers
    (2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
    (4) f/x1000 Surrounds
    (2) PSW650 Subs
    Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
    Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
    Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
    Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
  • Kurt300Kurt300 Posts: 274
    The 5250 v2 official specs seem quite conservative. I have one driving LSiM 707s and 703s and it sounds sweet indeed.

    Living room HT - 12.2 LSiM: 3x 707's - fronts, front wides, and rears | 2x 703's - surrounds & front highs | Dual 706c's centers (high & low) | Onkyo 3010 | Oppo UDP-203 | 2x Parasound 5250's, Parasound 5125 | Dual SVS PB12-Plus subs | Two 20 amp dedicated circuits | Black Mamba II ICs | Mitsubishi 92" DLP TV
  • PSOVLSKPSOVLSK Posts: 3,546
    I think they are very similar. The tie-breaker for me would be:
    1) The Sunfire never so much as warm, whereas the Parasound can get pretty warm, especially if not well ventilated.
    2) The Sunfire's meters make it look cooler.

    While your Pioneer is a beast, I can't imagine either of these amps not being an upgrade. How significant??? That's going to be a matter of opinion.

    I'll say this, at one time I was running a very good Pioneer (sorry, don't remember the model number). I was really wanting to take my amp out of the system (I believe I had a NAD at the time). While the difference in sound wasn't what most people would probably call significant, it was enough that I couldn't bring myself to get rid of the amp. YMMV.
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,651
    I think you had the SC-35, wasn't it?
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: P3ESR, 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Dayens Ampino, Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • sgmsmgsgmsmg Posts: 225
    edited June 16
    Thanks to all that have responded. Lots of good information and your help is greatly appreciated. Unfortunately it looks like the Sunfire sold so that isn't an option.

    I also just made another major purchase (Sony XBR75X940D) so the amp might have to wait. Couldn't pass up on the deal for the TV. Also had to get an Oppo205.

    Overall I am content with the SC-09TX but it takes up a much larger amount of space so swapping to one of the other amps would give me a little more room. There is also still a small demand for the SC-09TX so I could potentially sell it after I replace it to get something out of it.

    Like someone mentioned the Sunfire does not produce much heat so that was definitely appealing.

    I will wait and see if I can get a deal on the Parasound but if not I will hold off until another deal comes around.

    Thanks again to everyone. I really appreciate all the feedback.
    2 Channel
    Pre:Parasound JC2BP
    Amp:Parasound A21
    Speakers: Golden Ear Triton Ones
    Source: Oppo 103D, Mac Mini, Bryston BDA-3
    Cables: AQ Castlerock Speaker, AQ Columbia XLR/RCA, AQ Diamond USB
    Power: PS Audio P10 Regenerator, AC12, AC10 and AC5 Cables
    Display: Panasonic TC-P65ZT60

    Home Theater
    Reciever: Pioneer Elite SC-99
    Amp: Pioneer Elite SC-09TX
    Speakers: Polk LSiM 703 (Fl, FR, RL, RR), Polk LSiM706 (Center), Polk 900-LS (Atmos)
    Subwoofers: SVS SB13 x 3
    Source: Oppo UDP-205, Apple TV, Amazon Fire
    Power: PS Audio P5 Regenerator, Furman IT Reference 15i, Pangea AC14SE and AC9SE Cables
    Display: Sony XBR75X940D
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,651
    Nice TV! I've got the previous year's model and love it.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: P3ESR, 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Dayens Ampino, Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • sgmsmgsgmsmg Posts: 225
    edited June 16
    DSkip wrote: »
    Nice TV! I've got the previous year's model and love it.

    Thanks. I saw you had the 940C and another member on here has the 940D. It is a bit different from my plasma but so far I like it. The new Planet Earth 2 Series in 4K is pretty awesome. I am sure I need to do some tweaking and may eventually get it calibrated.
    2 Channel
    Pre:Parasound JC2BP
    Amp:Parasound A21
    Speakers: Golden Ear Triton Ones
    Source: Oppo 103D, Mac Mini, Bryston BDA-3
    Cables: AQ Castlerock Speaker, AQ Columbia XLR/RCA, AQ Diamond USB
    Power: PS Audio P10 Regenerator, AC12, AC10 and AC5 Cables
    Display: Panasonic TC-P65ZT60

    Home Theater
    Reciever: Pioneer Elite SC-99
    Amp: Pioneer Elite SC-09TX
    Speakers: Polk LSiM 703 (Fl, FR, RL, RR), Polk LSiM706 (Center), Polk 900-LS (Atmos)
    Subwoofers: SVS SB13 x 3
    Source: Oppo UDP-205, Apple TV, Amazon Fire
    Power: PS Audio P5 Regenerator, Furman IT Reference 15i, Pangea AC14SE and AC9SE Cables
    Display: Sony XBR75X940D
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,651
    Yep. Tweak it and you will be rewarded. Thorton has the 940C and PSOVLSK has the 940D. My distributor sold out of the 940D several months ago and I'm surprised you were able to find one.

    Bud had to buy a Sony after seeing mine.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Harbeth: P3ESR, 30.2, SHL5+; Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Dayens Ampino, Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • sgmsmgsgmsmg Posts: 225
    Yes, I had given up on getting one but stopped by a local chain here "Video Only" and they one that a customer ordered but then decided it was too big for their room. It was a case of right time right place.
    2 Channel
    Pre:Parasound JC2BP
    Amp:Parasound A21
    Speakers: Golden Ear Triton Ones
    Source: Oppo 103D, Mac Mini, Bryston BDA-3
    Cables: AQ Castlerock Speaker, AQ Columbia XLR/RCA, AQ Diamond USB
    Power: PS Audio P10 Regenerator, AC12, AC10 and AC5 Cables
    Display: Panasonic TC-P65ZT60

    Home Theater
    Reciever: Pioneer Elite SC-99
    Amp: Pioneer Elite SC-09TX
    Speakers: Polk LSiM 703 (Fl, FR, RL, RR), Polk LSiM706 (Center), Polk 900-LS (Atmos)
    Subwoofers: SVS SB13 x 3
    Source: Oppo UDP-205, Apple TV, Amazon Fire
    Power: PS Audio P5 Regenerator, Furman IT Reference 15i, Pangea AC14SE and AC9SE Cables
    Display: Sony XBR75X940D
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Posts: 1,596
    One amplifier I would check out is the Marantz PM-10.

    Then you'd you'd probably actually be upgrading a bit sound-wise from the SC-09TX.

    POLK AUDIO SRT
    (Signature Reference Theater)

    2rqdrna.jpg s6k686.jpg 11rgneu.jpg
    SRT 10.2 SYSTEM
    (4) SRT Subs & Satellites
    (2) SRT Center Speakers
    (2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
    (4) f/x1000 Surrounds
    (2) PSW650 Subs
    Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
    Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
    Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
    Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 9,425
    I have the Sunfire TGA-5400. One point not mentioned here is that it will output 400w/CH on all 5 channels at 8 ohms, and 800W/CH on all 5 channels at 4 ohms. No receiver will come any where close to those specs. I assume the Sunfire amp you are looking at will do the same, at least the TGA-5200 will.
    Bud

    Lumin S1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-20 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon for source, Denali 2000 (2) for amps
    Shunyata Z Anaconda XLR analog ICs, Z Anaconda speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
    Revelation Audio Cryo-Silver Reference DB-25 umbilical power cable for preamp modules

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 8,118
    edited June 16
    Sunfire should be 225X5 @ 8 ohm and 450x5 @ 4ohm from my way back machine. Agree very few receivers can come remotely close.
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Posts: 1,596
    edited June 16
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Sunfire should be 225X5 @ 8 ohm and 450x5 @ 4ohm from my way back machine. Agree very few receivers can come remotely close.

    The SC-09TX AVR has superior specs to the Sunfire in both power and THD.

    That Marantz PM-10 is on another level though.

    As expected, It also costs almost three times as much too.
    POLK AUDIO SRT
    (Signature Reference Theater)

    2rqdrna.jpg s6k686.jpg 11rgneu.jpg
    SRT 10.2 SYSTEM
    (4) SRT Subs & Satellites
    (2) SRT Center Speakers
    (2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
    (4) f/x1000 Surrounds
    (2) PSW650 Subs
    Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
    Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
    Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
    Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 8,118
    edited June 16
    Your right yours is bigger and the best

    Notice i said very few..
  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 12,677
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Sunfire should be 225X5 @ 8 ohm and 450x5 @ 4ohm from my way back machine. Agree very few receivers can come remotely close.

    The SC-09TX AVR has superior specs to the Sunfire in both power and THD.

    That Marantz PM-10 is on another level though.

    As expected, It also costs almost three times as much too.

    A dedicated amplifier will always be better than a receiver.
    Sunfire TGP III PrePro, Sunfire Cinema Grand Signature 405wpc 5 ch. Amp, Oppo 103 BluRay, Rotel RCD-1072 CDP, Sony Bravia KDL-40R510C TV, Polk S60 Main Speakers, Boston VR-920 Center Channel, SVS NSD-12 SB12 Subwoofer, Polk DSW 400 Subwoofer, Polk FXi-3 Surround Speakers
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Posts: 1,596
    edited June 16
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Your right yours is bigger and the best

    Notice i said very few..

    I wasn't bragging. It's the model the OP of this thread has and was considering replacing with the Sunfire. IMO I don't think he would be upgrading by going to the Sunfire. Not that the Sunfire isn't a nice amplifier or anything. They are very-nice and built well too. They just aren't any better performance-wise to the high-end AVR the OP has.

    If it's purely a size issue than maybe he might prefer the Sunfire.
    POLK AUDIO SRT
    (Signature Reference Theater)

    2rqdrna.jpg s6k686.jpg 11rgneu.jpg
    SRT 10.2 SYSTEM
    (4) SRT Subs & Satellites
    (2) SRT Center Speakers
    (2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
    (4) f/x1000 Surrounds
    (2) PSW650 Subs
    Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
    Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
    Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
    Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 8,118
    Yes well aware i read your post and his. My comment was geared toward bluefox.
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Posts: 1,596
    edited June 16
    cfrizz wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Sunfire should be 225X5 @ 8 ohm and 450x5 @ 4ohm from my way back machine. Agree very few receivers can come remotely close.

    The SC-09TX AVR has superior specs to the Sunfire in both power and THD.

    That Marantz PM-10 is on another level though.

    As expected, It also costs almost three times as much too.

    A dedicated amplifier will always be better than a receiver.

    That's a fallacy. Generally-speaking that has been the case but not 100% true. A high-end AVR can have better specs than a lower-end amplifier. The SC-09TX outperforms a lot of less-expensive separates.
    POLK AUDIO SRT
    (Signature Reference Theater)

    2rqdrna.jpg s6k686.jpg 11rgneu.jpg
    SRT 10.2 SYSTEM
    (4) SRT Subs & Satellites
    (2) SRT Center Speakers
    (2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
    (4) f/x1000 Surrounds
    (2) PSW650 Subs
    Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
    Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
    Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
    Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 9,425
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Sunfire should be 225X5 @ 8 ohm and 450x5 @ 4ohm from my way back machine. Agree very few receivers can come remotely close.

    The SC-09TX AVR has superior specs to the Sunfire in both power and THD.

    Not to get into an argument over specs, but as an engineer I deal in facts. If pitdogg's specs are correct then the Pioneer does not even come close to the Sunfire.

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    https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/Manuals/Home/SC-09TX_OperatingInstructions0623.pdf#page155
    Bud

    Lumin S1
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-20 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon for source, Denali 2000 (2) for amps
    Shunyata Z Anaconda XLR analog ICs, Z Anaconda speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
    Revelation Audio Cryo-Silver Reference DB-25 umbilical power cable for preamp modules

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Posts: 1,596
    edited June 16
    BlueFox wrote: »

    Not to get into an argument over specs, but as an engineer I deal in facts. If pitdogg's specs are correct then the Pioneer does not even come close to the Sunfire.


    I didn't see pitdogg's specs but I posted them direct from each manufacturer.


    Sunfire Cinema Grand 5 x 200
    Specifications
    Rated max power: 200 watts x 5 (8 ohms, 20Hz–20kHz)
    Max THD: 0.5%
    Original Mfg. Suggested Retail Price: $2,375


    Pioneer Elite SC-09TX
    Specifications
    Rated max power: 200 watts x 7 (8 ohms, 20Hz–20kHz)
    Max THD: 0.05%
    Original Mfg. Suggested Retail Price: $7,000

    BTW, I'm only trying to deal with facts too.

    The SC-09TX puts out a total of 1400 watts in various configurations. In 10.2 mode it is 140 watts per channel and in 7.1 mode it is 200 watts per channel.
    POLK AUDIO SRT
    (Signature Reference Theater)

    2rqdrna.jpg s6k686.jpg 11rgneu.jpg
    SRT 10.2 SYSTEM
    (4) SRT Subs & Satellites
    (2) SRT Center Speakers
    (2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
    (4) f/x1000 Surrounds
    (2) PSW650 Subs
    Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
    Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
    Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
    Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Posts: 1,596
    edited June 16
    Here's one that at least on paper looks like it would outperform the SC-09TX (and I bet it sounds great).

    It's only two channel though

    The Marantz PM-10

    Specifications
    Rated max power: 200 watts x 2 (8 ohms, 20Hz–20kHz)
    Max THD: 0.005%
    Original Mfg. Suggested Retail Price: $7,999

    http://us.marantz.com/us/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=ReferenceSeries&SubCatId=0&ProductId=PM10

    Generally speaking, expect to spend more than $2,375 to find an amplifier with better specs than the SC-09TX. It didn't cost 7 grand for nothing. The Parasound is $2,500 and it has a better THD spec than both the Sunfire or the Pioneer so it looks like it might be pretty-good.

    Before I got my SC-09TX I had a decent NAD amplifier and separates and the Pioneer blew them away so you can't really make the statement that "A dedicated amp will always be better than a receiver." There are exceptions to that rule.
    POLK AUDIO SRT
    (Signature Reference Theater)

    2rqdrna.jpg s6k686.jpg 11rgneu.jpg
    SRT 10.2 SYSTEM
    (4) SRT Subs & Satellites
    (2) SRT Center Speakers
    (2) SRT Control Centers w/Remote
    (4) f/x1000 Surrounds
    (2) PSW650 Subs
    Pioneer Elite SC-09TX AVR
    Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Blu-Ray
    Pioneer Elite BDP-33FD Blu-Ray (Region-Free)
    Custom HTPC w/Multi-Lane SATA Hot-Swapable Drive RAID Tower
  • sgmsmgsgmsmg Posts: 225
    This is all very good information. I missed the opportunity on the Sunfire so we will see if I snag the Parasound or not. If not I am content with the Pioneer it just takes up too much space that I could use to add other components. One day I would like to have a setup with all separates like DarqueKnight has.

    Again I really appreciate all the info that has been contributed. Thanks!
    2 Channel
    Pre:Parasound JC2BP
    Amp:Parasound A21
    Speakers: Golden Ear Triton Ones
    Source: Oppo 103D, Mac Mini, Bryston BDA-3
    Cables: AQ Castlerock Speaker, AQ Columbia XLR/RCA, AQ Diamond USB
    Power: PS Audio P10 Regenerator, AC12, AC10 and AC5 Cables
    Display: Panasonic TC-P65ZT60

    Home Theater
    Reciever: Pioneer Elite SC-99
    Amp: Pioneer Elite SC-09TX
    Speakers: Polk LSiM 703 (Fl, FR, RL, RR), Polk LSiM706 (Center), Polk 900-LS (Atmos)
    Subwoofers: SVS SB13 x 3
    Source: Oppo UDP-205, Apple TV, Amazon Fire
    Power: PS Audio P5 Regenerator, Furman IT Reference 15i, Pangea AC14SE and AC9SE Cables
    Display: Sony XBR75X940D
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 16,605
    Said it once and will do so again. Take it from a guy that has owned Sunfire amps, the 200x5 is NOT that great of an amp. The Signature series 400x5 and the TGA 5400/7400 are night and day better. I would take one of these over the Parasound, but the Parasound all day long over the 200x5 Sunfire.

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  • sgmsmgsgmsmg Posts: 225
    Said it once and will do so again. Take it from a guy that has owned Sunfire amps, the 200x5 is NOT that great of an amp. The Signature series 400x5 and the TGA 5400/7400 are night and day better. I would take one of these over the Parasound, but the Parasound all day long over the 200x5 Sunfire.

    Good to know. I will add the Signature series 400x5 and the TGA 5400/7400 to my list of potential canidates. Thanks!
    2 Channel
    Pre:Parasound JC2BP
    Amp:Parasound A21
    Speakers: Golden Ear Triton Ones
    Source: Oppo 103D, Mac Mini, Bryston BDA-3
    Cables: AQ Castlerock Speaker, AQ Columbia XLR/RCA, AQ Diamond USB
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    Reciever: Pioneer Elite SC-99
    Amp: Pioneer Elite SC-09TX
    Speakers: Polk LSiM 703 (Fl, FR, RL, RR), Polk LSiM706 (Center), Polk 900-LS (Atmos)
    Subwoofers: SVS SB13 x 3
    Source: Oppo UDP-205, Apple TV, Amazon Fire
    Power: PS Audio P5 Regenerator, Furman IT Reference 15i, Pangea AC14SE and AC9SE Cables
    Display: Sony XBR75X940D
  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 7,038
    B&K 200.5 is a good used amp known for being musical, smooth on top, and warm.
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