What's the better set-up for home theater?

BeRad13BeRad13 Posts: 10
Room size 15x15
50% TV
25% Movies
15% Video Games
10% Music

I'm down to two options and have limited space so my options are limited.

Option 1: S10s for L R and rear surr with S35 center speaker

Option 2: Blackstone TL 350 5.0 surround

Which of the two options do you think I would be happier with?

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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 7,476
    Option 1
  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 8,485
    I second the motion.....
  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 8,485
    Plus...have a look see at some capable subwoofers to round out the system.
    Are you using just an AVR? Or using it as pre-amp with a multi channel amp?
    We can spend all your money or you can give a budget on power side.
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,422
    It's more expensive but have you considered S35 all the way around?
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, iFi LS3.5
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Dayens Ampino, Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • BeRad13BeRad13 Posts: 10
    Thanks guys. I know the TL350s have really good reviews, but the signature series seems like a step up -- albeit the S10 is the smallest of the bunch with the lowest output. The Polk website calls the S10 a surround speaker so I wasn't too sure how it would perform.

    I would consider the S15s if only I had enough space.

    I'm also very interested in suggestions on a powered subwoofer and receiver. I have $300 budgeted for a receiver and $300 for the subwoofer.

    Any and all suggestions are welcome!!
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,422
    How big is your room? The new Magnifi line is quite good. I have the Mini in my bedroom and the sound is impressive for the application.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, iFi LS3.5
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Dayens Ampino, Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • BeRad13BeRad13 Posts: 10
    The room is 15x15 so not huge.

    The S35 as a right and left speaker unfortunately don't fit the space well. I have a perfect sized gap beneath the TV that I can use which makes it a good choice for the center.
  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 1,877
    Given no subwoofer I would recommend bumping up to the S20. They are on sale now direct from Polk for only $50 a pair more than the S10.
    1. Polk LSiM707, 704C, 703; Dual SVS SB2000 subwoofers; Pioneer Elite SC-97; Parasound A23 amp; Oppo 105D; Toshiba HD-DVD Player; Samsung UHD 4K Player; Sony 65" 4K TV; FIOS; PS Audio Power Plant Premier; MIT S2 cables
    2. JM Labs Electra 920.1; Parasound JC2 Preamp; Parasound A21; Sony HAP-Z1ES; Marantz SA8004; Music Hall MMF7 and PS Audio NuWave phono pre; Technics SL-1200MKII and PS Audio GCPH phono pre; PS Audio P1000; MIT S1 Cables
    3. Polk LSiM703; Anthem Pre-2L SE pre and Parasound HCA-1500A amp; Squeezebox Touch; Wyred4Sound DAC2; MIT S3 cables
  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 3,974
    I recently set up a 3.1 system for someone with a pair of S10 bookies and the S35 center. Sounded pretty good. I've also heard the TL350s, and you'd be surprised how good those satellites can sound. You can't go wrong either way in a small room. This forum might be a little biased toward box speakers over sats. Buy the best AVR and sub you can get within your budget, and you'll be a happy camper. Look around for a deal on a Yamaha RX-V383? The Polk PSW125 sub wouldn't be a bad choice. Both should certainly be within budget.
    7.1 - polk RTi10 x 3 (LCR) : FXi3 x 2 : RTi4 x 4 : Sunfire SDS-12 : Yamaha Aventage RX-A2040 : Adcom GFA-7500 : Squeezebox Touch : DIRECTV : Roku SE : Panasonic PT-AX200U PJ @ 120"
    5.1 - Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800 x 4 : ProCenter 1000 : Klipsch Sub-10 : Pioneer Elite SC-91: DIRECTV : LG OLED55B6P : Roku Premiere+
    Garage Duty - polk Monitor 10s : Pioneer A-717 Integrated Amp : Squeezebox Classic
  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 1,403
    Save a little more for a sub and consider something like this:

    http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-1mk3.html

    Would go with the signature series of the two.

    Couple years ago, I wouldn't have recommended sound bars, but there are quite a few good sounding ones out there. If you have really limited space, it's something you may want to look into before diving in.

    Won't hurt to give a few a listen.
  • BeRad13BeRad13 Posts: 10
    Great advice, thanks guys.

    I have immovable built in shelves on the immediate two sides of the TV that are 10" apart, which means the max height of the speaker can only be 10", which is why the S10s fit but the S15s or S20s don't -- disappointing but I guess I have to make it work.

    I could consider laying a set of S15s on the side so they fit, but I'm not sure how keen I am on that idea.
  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 3,974
    edited June 10
    BeRad13 wrote: »
    I could consider laying a set of S15s on the side so they fit, but I'm not sure how keen I am on that idea.
    No, you may actually compromise the sound by doing that. You'd be fine with S10s and the S35. Just work with the space you have.

    7.1 - polk RTi10 x 3 (LCR) : FXi3 x 2 : RTi4 x 4 : Sunfire SDS-12 : Yamaha Aventage RX-A2040 : Adcom GFA-7500 : Squeezebox Touch : DIRECTV : Roku SE : Panasonic PT-AX200U PJ @ 120"
    5.1 - Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800 x 4 : ProCenter 1000 : Klipsch Sub-10 : Pioneer Elite SC-91: DIRECTV : LG OLED55B6P : Roku Premiere+
    Garage Duty - polk Monitor 10s : Pioneer A-717 Integrated Amp : Squeezebox Classic
  • BeRad13BeRad13 Posts: 10
    @mdaudioguy, Best Buy has a great deal on a Yamaha receiver right now. It's not exactly the V383, but from the looks it strikes me as pretty comparable. What do you think? This would give me an extra $100 to put towards the subwoofer!

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/yamaha-700w-5-1-ch-4k-ultra-hd-and-3d-pass-through-a-v-home-theater-receiver-black/5017701.p?skuId=5017701
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,422
    I think a sound bar might be a better solution. Do you have a pic of the space?
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, iFi LS3.5
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Dayens Ampino, Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 3,974
    7.1 - polk RTi10 x 3 (LCR) : FXi3 x 2 : RTi4 x 4 : Sunfire SDS-12 : Yamaha Aventage RX-A2040 : Adcom GFA-7500 : Squeezebox Touch : DIRECTV : Roku SE : Panasonic PT-AX200U PJ @ 120"
    5.1 - Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800 x 4 : ProCenter 1000 : Klipsch Sub-10 : Pioneer Elite SC-91: DIRECTV : LG OLED55B6P : Roku Premiere+
    Garage Duty - polk Monitor 10s : Pioneer A-717 Integrated Amp : Squeezebox Classic
  • BeRad13BeRad13 Posts: 10
    No pic at the moment DSkip. Sound bar could def work, and it sounds like the magnifi puts out a quality sound. I have no experience with sound bars myself, which is why I have been gravitating towards a more compact traditional 5.1 set up.
  • dannylightningdannylightning Posts: 175
    first option.. satellites probably wont sound quiet as full.

    300 bucks on amazon. the manufacturer website says its 550 bucks so its probably a pretty good one. i had a Harmon kardon surround sound receiver once. it sounded awesome for movies.

    https://www.amazon.com/Harman-Kardon-Performance-AVR-1710S/dp/B016A6IDY2/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1497141067&sr=1-3&keywords=harmon+kardon+avr

    i also think denon make a nice surround sound recevier in that price range.

    https://www.amazon.com/Denon-Receiver-Audio-Component-AVRS530BT/dp/B06XYD1RZ3/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1497141313&sr=1-9&keywords=denon+avr

    i have this sub and i really like mine..

    https://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-12-Inch-Powered-Subwoofer/dp/B000092TT0/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1497141485&sr=1-1&keywords=polk+psw+505
    1. Cambridge Azur 651A, Polk LSi M703, Sonos Connect, Audioquest type 4/king cobra cables

    2. Denon DRA-397, Energy C-200.

    Polk TSX-330T, PSW 505, PSW-250



  • BeRad13BeRad13 Posts: 10
    Mdaudio guy -- very helpful. I may go with the Best Buy deal on last year's Yamaha receiver, as the added features for the new version don't seem to be that much different.
  • BeRad13BeRad13 Posts: 10
    @dannylightning -- psw 505 for $199 is a pretty sick deal.

    Does anyone else have or have Demo'd the 505?
  • afterburntafterburnt Posts: 3,346
    Option 1 and hope you don't decide you want music way more than video
    Parlor: Yamaha RX-A2030*Parasound Halo P5*Parasound Halo A-31*Parasound 2250v2*Emotiva XPA-200 Gen1*LSiM707 Fronts*LSiM706c Center*LSiM702f/x Surrounds*Monitor70 Series II Rears*Monitor40 Series II Presence*SVS PB2000 Sub X2*OPPO BDP-103D*Sony PS3*Samsung BD-H5900 3D Blu-Ray*Samsung-55" LED 1080p Smart 3D HDTV UN55H7150AFXZA*TEAC TN-300*Wireworld Solstice cables*Blue Jeans Cable LC-1's IC's*

    Dungeon: Auralic Aries Mini*Dayens Ampino Preamp*Dayens Ampino Monoblocks*Usher N-6361*Wireworld Oasis cables*Wireworld Oasis IC's*IFI nano IDSD* Cambridge CXU*

    Panamax MR5100*Panamax M8-AV-PRO*Furman PST-2+6

    Head gear: Sennheiser HD 558*Audio-Technica ATH-M40x*Sennheiser HD 598 Cs*Audio-Technica ATH-MSR7*Philips SHP9500S*

    Hello Kitty boombox

    Spares: Yamaha RX-A1040*Emotiva XPA-1L Gen2 X2*Emotiva XPA-3 Gen2*CSiA6 Center*Monitor40 Series II*SVS PB1000 Sub*Sony BDPS6500 Blu-ray player*POS 37" LCD*Douglas Connection Furez 12 AWG 2 Conductor*Blue Jeans Cable LC-1's IC's*


    Self Control is over rated.
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,084
    The 505 is one of the best sub $200 subwoofers you can get. I would look at your budget and see what you can swing for a sub, try to swing the HSU VTF1 or this one https://www.amazon.com/SVS-SB12-NSD-400-watt-Controlled-Subwoofer/dp/B009F8Y7SO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1497142764&sr=8-2&keywords=svs If those are both out of budget then get the 505

    That BB Yamaha is a good deal, you can also check A4L to see if they have something you may like better http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/category/avreceiver/home-audio/receivers-amps/home-theater-receivers/1.html

    When it comes to home audio there is always that "what if" that is best to try to avoid. I would seriously try to find a way to fit the S15 or S20 into your system. You can wall mount the S15 or make stands for the S20.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Marantz SR5010, Emotiva BasX-A300
    Oppo BDP-93,Panasonic BDT460, DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk TSX250C
    Front High TC80i
    Rear: Polk RC80i
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S30
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,422
    If you go the soundbar route, you don't need a receiver. Just more food for thought and not a push to a soundbar. I can say they have come quite a bit in the 10 or so years since their inception. They can actually put out big sound, especially when a subwoofer is added/included.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra; Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum, iFi LS3.5
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Dayens Ampino, Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845; North Star Design Blue Diamond
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design: Magnifico, Supremo, Incanto, Intenso, Venti
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 3,974
    BeRad13 wrote: »
    @dannylightning -- psw 505 for $199 is a pretty sick deal.

    Does anyone else have or have Demo'd the 505?

    Yep, more than adequate, especially at that price.
    7.1 - polk RTi10 x 3 (LCR) : FXi3 x 2 : RTi4 x 4 : Sunfire SDS-12 : Yamaha Aventage RX-A2040 : Adcom GFA-7500 : Squeezebox Touch : DIRECTV : Roku SE : Panasonic PT-AX200U PJ @ 120"
    5.1 - Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800 x 4 : ProCenter 1000 : Klipsch Sub-10 : Pioneer Elite SC-91: DIRECTV : LG OLED55B6P : Roku Premiere+
    Garage Duty - polk Monitor 10s : Pioneer A-717 Integrated Amp : Squeezebox Classic
  • dannylightningdannylightning Posts: 175
    seriously tho as people are saying the s20 is the way to go if you can make it work.. you can get a set of speaker stands, set them on chairs, on stools or something like that if you really need to. with a 6.5 inch speaker you may be able to get away with out a sub. some book shelf's can put out a good or descent amount of bass depending on your room. room placement does come into play for bass.

    as far as the PSW505 the bass is very deep, i have owned many subs from different brands over the years. the PSW505 is one of my favorites. it has been discontinued so your getting it at a close out price. its was not that inexpensive at full price.

    sub woofer placement is very critical if you want the sub to sound right. you just cant stick the sub in any old place in your room and expect it to sound right.
    https://www.svsound.com/blogs/svs/75365187-the-art-of-subwoofer-placement

    1. Cambridge Azur 651A, Polk LSi M703, Sonos Connect, Audioquest type 4/king cobra cables

    2. Denon DRA-397, Energy C-200.

    Polk TSX-330T, PSW 505, PSW-250



  • BeRad13BeRad13 Posts: 10
    What a day....everything is ordered and will arrive in the next few days! After much thought and contemplation, here's what I ordered:

    Front L/R and Surround: S10s
    Center: S35
    PSW: SVS SB12-NSD
    Receiver: Yamaha V481

    I decided to stick with the S10s as the primary use will be for TV/movies and having a quality center channel and SW made me feel good about the purchase. Plus, keeping the speakers on the shelves was a big part of the final sell to the Mrs.

    Additionally, I'm pumped about the SW. Based on reviews, it's exactly what I'm looking for -- a nice clean and tight bass. It's also on the smaller side which def helped passed the wife test....

    All in, I feel really good about the purchase. Thx to all for the suggestions and direction on going the signature route over the Blackstones, and especially to mrloren for the SVS SW suggestion and mdaudioguy for the note about a similar set-up that you had installed.

  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 8,150
    Congrats and welcome to the forum.

    This leaves you room to grow if space and funds allow in the future. You can move those S10's to rear channels and go with bigger sig's up front
    plus1 on the SVS

    Happy listening
    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures, Simaudio 780D DAC
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Modwright LS100, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers
  • BeRad13BeRad13 Posts: 10
    txcoastal1 wrote: »

    This leaves you room to grow if space and funds allow in the future. You can move those S10's to rear channels and go with bigger sig's up front

    That's a totally awesome way to look at it....

  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 8,150
    BeRad13 wrote: »
    txcoastal1 wrote: »

    This leaves you room to grow if space and funds allow in the future. You can move those S10's to rear channels and go with bigger sig's up front

    That's a totally awesome way to look at it....

    It's Polk's latest and greatest, so they're not going anywhere
    Let us know how you like when you get it set up
    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures, Simaudio 780D DAC
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Modwright LS100, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers
  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 3,974
    Glad you made your decision. Now you're getting closer to the real fun! I know you said shelves for the front speakers. How and where will you be mounting the surrounds, with respect to your seating position? And yes, that sub will anchor it all nicely, and even provide you with some real impact. Please feel free to continue to ask questions, but also let us know your experiences and thoughts with your new gear.
    7.1 - polk RTi10 x 3 (LCR) : FXi3 x 2 : RTi4 x 4 : Sunfire SDS-12 : Yamaha Aventage RX-A2040 : Adcom GFA-7500 : Squeezebox Touch : DIRECTV : Roku SE : Panasonic PT-AX200U PJ @ 120"
    5.1 - Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800 x 4 : ProCenter 1000 : Klipsch Sub-10 : Pioneer Elite SC-91: DIRECTV : LG OLED55B6P : Roku Premiere+
    Garage Duty - polk Monitor 10s : Pioneer A-717 Integrated Amp : Squeezebox Classic
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