Speakers with Ribbon Tweeters

hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,712
After hearing the GoldenEar Triton 2's a couple of times and really enjoying them, I have become very interested in possibly finding a pair of similar speakers for my main listening area. Open, airy, detail...that's what I'm looking for.

I know there are different iterations of ribbon tweeters, and I wonder if any of you guys have some advice/opinions on the matter.

I would be looking somewhat at the lower end in the $1,500 used range.

I have a feeling that Maggies would really give me the sound I'm looking for, but they will not work in my space.

Here are a few that I have researched online so far. The GoldenEar's are the only ones I have actually heard...

GoldenEar Triton 2
Philharmonic Slims Tower
Martin Logan Motion 40

Thanks for the thoughts everyone.

Paul
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 14,378
    edited June 7
    I can't help at all :blush: but -- FWIW -- I generally like the sound of ribbon and planar tweeters The difference between the two is not quite semantic; there's typically a significant affordability gap between run-of-the mill planar drivers and "true" ribbons! ;)

    http://www.magnepan.com/magneplanar_technology

    (again) FWIW, I am actually confused by Magnepan's site as to whether some or all of their modern loudspeakers use "true" ribbons for tweeter panels? Y'all probably know better than I. Historically, the Magneplanars used what the current website refers to as "quasi-ribbons"... but I am way more familiar with the Magnepan panels of 20 to 40 :p years ago than with their current offerings!

    In the interest of disclosure: there are some who opine that the beguiling "there-ness" of ribbons and planar tweeters is due to very high levels of certain flavors of distortion. I am not endorsing this opinion :) but I do feel duty bound to report it :blush:

    http://www.zaphaudio.com/nondomes/

    PS -- no interest in electrostatics? ;)
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  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,712
    mhardy6647 wrote: »

    PS -- no interest in electrostatics? ;)


    I wouldn't be opposed to them at some point, but with my current setup, I'm looking for more of a moderate sized slim-"ish" tower.
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    PS Audio GCPH Phono Stage
    Dared SL-2000A Preamplifier
    Krell KAV-250a Amplifier
    Speakers - Polk Audio LS90's
    Gregg Straley Reality speaker cables; Signal Cable Silver Resolution interconnects
  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,214
    I'd give them a few more listens before you jump completely on board with ribbons.

    In that price range, you might be able to find a used pair of Evolution Acoustics MMMicroOne. They will blow all those away and their integration of the ribbon is much more refined.
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  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 14,478
    Didn't @marvda1 or one of you TX boys have a set of those and post a review somewhere here about them?
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,214
    edited June 7
    They originally retailed at $2700/pr with stands and Marvin and I beat ourselves up thinking about them. They were exceptional speakers. They now retail at $4500. EA also has a tower version, originally termed the MMMicroTwo, but now termed the Maestoso, that appeared at the LA Audio Show recently. Price tags have not been announced, but I suspect it won't be cheap. The prototypes had massive and impressive external crossovers that surely add major $$$ to the price.

    http://www.evolutionacoustics.com/loudspeakers/exact-series/maestoso/
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    Speakers: Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra, Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Dayens Ampino, Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design Magnifico, North Star Design Supremo
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  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 14,478
    Yeah I saw a post from @marvda1 with a link to a stereomojo review and then @erniejade bought a set, but not sure if he did a review.... and since his room is like a audio version of a horror movie they didnt work well IIRC....
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    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)

    My system makes me happy and changes too often for me to care to update a list..... you guys are good at spending my money!
  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 2,700
    mmmicrotwo's were $40k
    http://www.stereomojo.com/Evolution Acoustics MMMiniTwo Speaker Review/EvolutionAcousticsMMMiniTwoSpeakerReview.htm

    i know where you can get a new pair of mmmicroOne for $2800 pr
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    http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?vopin&1162599347 Freelance reviewer for StereoMojo
  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 2,700
    i love dome tweeters and find that the only way i like ribbon or planar tweeters is if they are used as super tweeters in conjunction with dome tweeters.
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,214
    marvda1 wrote: »
    mmmicrotwo's were $40k
    http://www.stereomojo.com/Evolution Acoustics MMMiniTwo Speaker Review/EvolutionAcousticsMMMiniTwoSpeakerReview.htm

    i know where you can get a new pair of mmmicroOne for $2800 pr

    Those are MMMiniTwo's. Different line altogether.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra, Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Dayens Ampino, Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design Magnifico, North Star Design Supremo
    Cabling: Wireworld
    TV: Sony XBR-75X940C
  • polkfarmboypolkfarmboy Posts: 5,721
    Anthony Gallo's tweeters mop the floor with Martin Logan folded motions. Cl2 is my favorite bookie of all time for the money, even if they cost 2 g I would love em.
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 3,657
    LOL yep either they didn't match my room well or mine could have possibly had something wrong with them. In my room the lsi9 sounded much better HOWEVER, I really think something was wrong with them. The seller did tell me he didn't think they had enough dynamics to them but, that 1000000)% contradicts what others have said about them so this leads me to believe, mine had issues to begin with.

    Agree on a horror movie especially with the amount of stuff I have move through this room in the past couple of years. The Kef LS50 Wireless have overcome this but, it could be due to the DSP just working well to compensate the horror room.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 27,363
    Personal preferences.....I like ribbons too, more so than domes. Like domes though, integration is key also with ribbons, they can sound just as fatiguing as some domes do when not done right.
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  • polkfarmboypolkfarmboy Posts: 5,721
    tonyb wrote: »
    Personal preferences.....I like ribbons too, more so than domes. Like domes though, integration is key also with ribbons, they can sound just as fatiguing as some domes do when not done right.

    Exactly Tony, with the gallows I find you get the dispersion pattern of a dome with the transparency of a ribbon.
  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,712
    edited June 7
    I'll be using the Dared pre and Krell power. I'd like a full-ish range of sound without using a sub which I know is tough on my budget.
    2 Channel
    Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood Turntable/Grado Gold Cartridge
    PS Audio GCPH Phono Stage
    Dared SL-2000A Preamplifier
    Krell KAV-250a Amplifier
    Speakers - Polk Audio LS90's
    Gregg Straley Reality speaker cables; Signal Cable Silver Resolution interconnects
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 14,378
    edited June 7
    ... and then again, some of us are -- just -- horn-y.

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 2,700
    it's not that i think ribbons sound harsh, they just don't sound natural to me.
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    http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?vopin&1162599347 Freelance reviewer for StereoMojo
  • pkquatpkquat Posts: 443
    I will toss out Newform Research to add to the mix. Some may pop up in your price range. I am a fan of the R8XX series because with the 8" Woofer there is decent bass. The series that used the 7" scan peak drivers are also decent, although have heard you want to find the ones that used two if you want them to have some bass. The later series used 6.5" woofers and are bass shy. They are said to have a better blend with the speed of the ribbons. The 15" ribbon is ok for bookshelf speakers once you have the height set. 30" ribbons are preferred, especially if you like to listen while sitting and standing.. The 45" ones supposedly give the best coverage in any position, but a few people have mentioned refection issues with them.

    I have the R830's and think they do fantastic.
  • DaveHoDaveHo Posts: 1,477
    Ascend Acoustics. Sierra-2 if you want a bookie or the Tower with RAAL option for a floor stander. Though the tower is over your price new & probably used as well, if you can find them used. The tower with RAAL was supposed to be my next pair of speakers before I picked up the LSiM during a F&F sale. They might still be my next speakers...
  • sgmsmgsgmsmg Posts: 148
    marvda1 wrote: »
    i know where you can get a new pair of mmmicroOne for $2800 pr

    Are the ones you speak of the ones for sale in the Portland, Oregon area? I have seen them for sale here for a while. Thought about giving them a try but didn't really think I would appreciate them. I don't really have the critical ear most people her seem to have.
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  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,712
    Thanks for all the good info so far. I'm going to look into all options.
    2 Channel
    Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood Turntable/Grado Gold Cartridge
    PS Audio GCPH Phono Stage
    Dared SL-2000A Preamplifier
    Krell KAV-250a Amplifier
    Speakers - Polk Audio LS90's
    Gregg Straley Reality speaker cables; Signal Cable Silver Resolution interconnects
  • steveinazsteveinaz Posts: 17,764
    The MartinLogan Motion 60XT's are still on my "potential" buy list.
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 13,214
    steveinaz wrote: »
    The MartinLogan Motion 60XT's are still on my "potential" buy list.

    In all reality, they are nice speakers. I've heard them and considered bringing in a demo set from that line. I realize my 'issues' with the design do not affect everyone but I always want to be truthful when I offer my opinion.

    They simply won't compare to the Evo speakers in terms of sound quality (none in that range will), but those are hard to find as it is and might not be able to be had within the OP's budget.
    audiothesis.com/

    Speakers: Usher: CP-6311, Be-10, T-515; Rosso Fiorentino: Elba, Fiesole, Volterra, Polk: T50, Signature S60, S55, S35, S30, S20, S15, RTA 15tl, Sonner Audio Allegro Unum
    Preamps: Shuguang S200MK, Dayens Ampino, Parasound P5
    Amps: Shuguang S845MK, Dayens Ampino Monoblocks, Parasound A23
    Integrateds: Dayens Ampino, Triode Corporation TRV-88SER, MastersounD: Dueventi, Compact 845, Evolution 845
    Sources: AURALiC Aries, AURALiC Altair, Denon HEOS Link, North Star Design Magnifico, North Star Design Supremo
    Cabling: Wireworld
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  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 173
    Some older Infinity's have ribbon tweeters...and magneplanar tweeters. I love the Emit tweeters in my RSIIIa's.
  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 6,457
    edited June 10
    Ribbons! Paul, go see Aaron (ALL212) in Rockford. He has some ribbon speakers for sale. ;)
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  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 7,824
    Hehehe, yes sir
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  • K_MK_M Posts: 904
    This will shed some light on certain aspects.

    http://zaphaudio.com/nondomes/
    Lsi15, Lsi9, LsiC,Rta11t,M5jr+,M4,SDA 3.1TL, SDA SRS 2.3TL, Rti6....Still listing stuff, a work in progress.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 14,378
    Funnily enough - the Zapf Audio link was provided on the first reply to the original post in this thread.
    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • WLDockWLDock Posts: 1,976
    edited June 11
    The hard part is really listening to everything out there. There might be some domes that you like better than some ribbons in some iterations. Still, the Philharmonic Slims, the Sierra Tower and Sierra 2 should be listened to even if it costs a little. If you have some bucks on your charge they both have an at home trial period.

    Here is some used stuff not too far from Wisconsin.
    Anthony Gallo Classico 4: https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/ele/6160519125.html
    Carver Amazing AL-III: https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/ele/6132225924.html
    Coincident Victory - http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649298335-coincident-victory/

    Here are some non-ribbon units in the area that might be worth a listen;
    (I WOULD LOVE TO LISTEN TO THESE!)
    Coincident Technology Super Eclipse - https://madison.craigslist.org/ele/6129306707.html

    Soundfield Audio Monitor 1 (SAM1) -
    (INTERESTING MONITOR WITH THE KEF DRIVER AND ACTIVE LOW END)https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/ele/6164646071.html

    Some used stuff NOT in the area:
    Aurum Cantus M-103SE - http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649282965-melody-m103se/
    Salk Archos - http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649352237-salk-archos-open-baffle-speakers/
    DALI Mentor 6 - http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649350015-dali-mentor-6-floor-standing-speakers-in-black-ash/


    If you have any DIY skills and desires there are several ribbon kits around. Myself, it looks as if my 2 ch room is not going to happen. So, I'm morphing my system into a dual HT/Music system. Looking at preamps and DAC/streamers now and plan to make some large 3-way WMTMW towers and center later on. The smaller version of them, The Speaker Design Works Jim Holts MiniStatement project might be cool for you?
    http://speakerdesignworks.com/
    https://meniscusaudio.com/product/mini-statements-pair/

    Here are some cool finished projects by some with skills:

    http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac158/KnightsOfNi/Speaker Build/IMG_0895.jpg
    http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/attachments/pict0516-jpg.12522/
    http://techtalk.parts-express.com/filedata/fetch?id=1175742
    http://www.htguide.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=19702&stc=1
    http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/tasknight/Speaker and sub/DSC05156.jpg
    http://www.htguide.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13338&stc=1&d=1218817137

    Also, there are several cool design from designer Paul Kittinger has worked with Philharmonic Audio and Salk Sound!
    http://www.quarter-wave.com/index.html
    Cavatina ML TL Uaing a Fountek NeoCD1.0 Ribbon Tweeter, ScanSpeak 10F Midrange, and Usher 8945A Woofer - http://www.quarter-wave.com/Gallery/Cavatina.jpg

    The Marcato Speaker
    A Pair of Usher 8945Ps in a 2-way MTM ML TL with a BG Neo3PDR Planar Tweeter
    http://www.quarter-wave.com/Gallery/Marcato.jpg
    Crossover built into the base
    http://www.quarter-wave.com/Gallery/Installedxover.jpg

    The TuLines Speaker
    A Pair of Dayton Loudspeaker RS180 Woofers, in separate ML TL's, with a Dayton RS52 midrange and a Fountek NeoCD3.0 Ribbon Tweeter
    http://www.quarter-wave.com/Gallery/TuLinesFront2.jpg
    Crossover built into the base
    http://www.quarter-wave.com/Gallery/TuLinesXover.jpg

    Cantilena
    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/53beb4d5e4b0a307ea878304/53c1f68de4b0d5e06ac3cbc7/53cadc99e4b01d0b9ff000c8/1406776426182/Carnelian.JPG?format=750w

    .....and of course last but not least Rick Craig of Selah Audio (Just met him this year at AXPONA) has several ribbon designs for DIY or made to order: http://www.selahaudio.com/

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  • hochpt21hochpt21 Posts: 4,712
    Wow, Walt @WLDock Thank you for the encompassing reply!

    I have seen a few of those listings, but sure will dig through the info you have provided.

    Thanks again.
    2 Channel
    Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood Turntable/Grado Gold Cartridge
    PS Audio GCPH Phono Stage
    Dared SL-2000A Preamplifier
    Krell KAV-250a Amplifier
    Speakers - Polk Audio LS90's
    Gregg Straley Reality speaker cables; Signal Cable Silver Resolution interconnects
  • dromundsdromunds Posts: 5,805
    WLDock, that is one cool reply!
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